Bryce Petty

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Are you ****ing serious?

Smith is on a 2 year contract. There's no guarantee he's extended. Daniel is ****ing garbage and, iirc, can be cut next year without a penny owed. And Bray hasn't shown dick, yet.

This team still needs a QB. I'd rather "waste" a pick on a guy that didn't have a snowballs chance in hell (Russell Wilson) than pick a ****ing guard.

Yeah...Russell Wilson. Because there's guys like that in every draft. Joe Montana, Tom Brady...guys like that.

And of course Bray hasn't shown dick. When did you think that was going to happen? Last week? This week?

Totally serious.

Name the "Russell Wilson" in this draft. Name a guy in this draft who is going to beat out anyone on this roster.

I'll help you with it - there isn't one.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Name the "Russell Wilson" in this draft. Name a guy in this draft who is going to beat out anyone on this roster.

I'll help you with it - there isn't one.

There is NEVER one right?

Just like there's never a Ryan Tannehill, Colin Kaepernick, Nick Foles, EJ Manuel, Kirk Cousins, etc...

Definitely safer to pick a guard.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Yeah...Russell Wilson. Because there's guys like that in every draft. Joe Montana, Tom Brady...guys like that.

And of course Bray hasn't shown dick. When did you think that was going to happen? Last week? This week?

Totally serious.

Name the "Russell Wilson" in this draft. Name a guy in this draft who is going to beat out anyone on this roster.

I'll help you with it - there isn't one.

No guy is going to beat out Alex Smith this year.

The point is we better start preparing for life after Alex. Bray isn't enough.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by SNR

No guy is going to beat out Alex Smith this year.

The point is we better start preparing for life after Alex. Bray isn't enough.

The Chiefs are like the majority of their fans...

Fan 1 - "There isn't a QB worth picking. It's best we choose a lineman and play it safe."

2 years later...

Fan 2 - "What about QB X?"

Fan 1 - "LOL! Hindsight 50/50!!!"

I believe the Chiefs spend more time scouting backup QBs on other teams than they do college QBs.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by jd1020

The Chiefs are like the majority of their fans...

Fan 1 - "There isn't a QB worth picking. It's best we choose a lineman and play it safe."

2 years later...

Fan 2 - "What about QB X?"

Fan 1 - "LOL! Hindsight 50/50!!!"

I believe the Chiefs spend more time scouting backup QBs on other teams than they do college QBs.

Completely unrealistic.

It's not that there isn't a QB worth picking (even though that's the case in the 2014 draft), it's that picking one is simply going to be a waste of a pick as they aren't going to beat out anyone on this roster and will be relegated to the practice squad at best. That's a waste of a pick.

And you are using failed logic in thinking that the Chiefs are going to draft Russell Wilson, Tom Brady or Joe Montana rather than a guy who will join the vast multitudes of QBs who were drafted in the later rounds who have never made an NFL roster, busted out or whathaveyou.

You, sir, are living a pipe dream.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Completely unrealistic.

It's not that there isn't a QB worth picking (even though that's the case in the 2014 draft), it's that picking one is simply going to be a waste of a pick as they aren't going to beat out anyone on this roster and will be relegated to the practice squad at best. That's a waste of a pick.

And you are using failed logic in thinking that the Chiefs are going to draft Russell Wilson, Tom Brady or Joe Montana rather than a guy who will join the vast multitudes of QBs who were drafted in the later rounds who have never made an NFL roster, busted out or whathaveyou.

You, sir, are living a pipe dream.

Of course I'm living in a pipe dream.

I will never give up hope that the Chiefs will get out of their own ****ing way and make their own luck.

After all, they will never pick the next Russell Wilson when they are busy picking guards.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by SNR

No guy is going to beat out Alex Smith this year.

The point is we better start preparing for life after Alex. Bray isn't enough.

Bray is a four year project.

The guy hasn't seen the field his rookie season and deservedly so.

So how can anyone state that "Bray isn't enough."? You can't, because you don't know.

And there isn't a rookie in the 2014 draft that has his tools. There isn't a rookie in the 2014 draft that's going to beat out Smith next year. Or the year after.

I'm sorry that is what it is, but it is what it is.

Drafting another QB in 2014 is simply pissing away a pick. They would be the fourth QB on the roster and would be on the practice squad at best. Guaranteed. It's a class filled with "just guys" other than Manziel and I'm still not sure about him as an NFL QB in this day and age.

What I do know is that our guards and wide receivers need to be upgraded immediately if this team is going to have a chance in the next three to five years, which is the window they have.

They will start looking at QB's in the 2015 and later drafts depending upon Bray's development, but you sure as shit aren't going to see one in 2014. You better hope that it's guard/receiver every other pick unless a stud at FS or TE is available when they pick in the first round. However, they have a good shot at getting a very, very good guard or receiver at their first round selection regardless.

I beseech you to think objectively on this and realize that drafting a mediocre QB prospect in 2014 would be folly.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You better hope that it's guard/receiver every other pick unless a stud at FS or TE is available when they pick in the first round.

Oh god yes.

I'm just hoping and praying the Chiefs find it in their hearts to finally address the line in the first round!

Come on Dorsey! Answer my prayers!

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Bray is a four year project.

The guy hasn't seen the field his rookie season and deservedly so.

So how can anyone state that "Bray isn't enough."? You can't, because you don't know.

And there isn't a rookie in the 2014 draft that has his tools. There isn't a rookie in the 2014 draft that's going to beat out Smith next year. Or the year after.

I'm sorry that is what it is, but it is what it is.

Drafting another QB in 2014 is simply pissing away a pick. They would be the fourth QB on the roster and would be on the practice squad at best. Guaranteed. It's a class filled with "just guys" other than Manziel and I'm still not sure about him as an NFL QB in this day and age.

What I do know is that our guards and wide receivers need to be upgraded immediately if this team is going to have a chance in the next three to five years, which is the window they have.

They will start looking at QB's in the 2015 and later drafts depending upon Bray's development, but you sure as shit aren't going to see one in 2014. You better hope that it's guard/receiver every other pick unless a stud at FS or TE is available when they pick in the first round. However, they have a good shot at getting a very, very good guard or receiver at their first round selection regardless.

I beseech you to think objectively on this and realize that drafting a mediocre QB prospect in 2014 would be folly.

I've gotta spread more rep...but gawd damn that was sexy!

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Bray is a four year project.

The guy hasn't seen the field his rookie season and deservedly so.

So how can anyone state that "Bray isn't enough."? You can't, because you don't know.

I also don't know if I'm going to win the lottery or not.

Just to be safe, I probably shouldn't build up a retirement account. That would be foolish and a waste of funds that I could be putting to better use right now.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Yeah...Russell Wilson. Because there's guys like that in every draft. Joe Montana, Tom Brady...guys like that.

And of course Bray hasn't shown dick. When did you think that was going to happen? Last week? This week?

Totally serious.

Name the "Russell Wilson" in this draft. Name a guy in this draft who is going to beat out anyone on this roster.

I'll help you with it - there isn't one.

So you believe that there will not be a single starting caliber QB from the 2014 draft?

Because Daniel isn't one. So if there's nobody from this draft that's good enough to beat out Daniel, you're saying that there's nobody from this draft that is going to be good enough to start for a credible NFL football team.

Yeah, I'll take that bet. I've not followed the position nearly as closely as last years, but there's no doubt in my mind that there's a starter in this draft. There's a starter in every draft.

Even if there isn't a Luck, there's a Glennon or Foles. There's a guy that will succeed in the right spot and there's no reason that spot can't be here.

If Bray has shown anything this year, I'd cut Daniel and let those two fight for the #2 job. If he hasn't, I'd cut Bray and replace him. You should know after having a guy in the system for a year if he's good enough to bother trying to develop.

The Chiefs should absolutely explore the possibility of adding a QB in this draft.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So you believe that there will not be a single starting caliber QB from the 2014 draft?

Because Daniel isn't one. So if there's nobody from this draft that's good enough to beat out Daniel, you're saying that there's nobody from this draft that is going to be good enough to start for a credible NFL football team.

Yeah, I'll take that bet. I've not followed the position nearly as closely as last years, but there's no doubt in my mind that there's a starter in this draft. There's a starter in every draft.

Even if there isn't a Luck, there's a Glennon or Foles. There's a guy that will succeed in the right spot and there's no reason that spot can't be here.

If Bray has shown anything this year, I'd cut Daniel and let those two fight for the #2 job. If he hasn't, I'd cut Bray and replace him. You should know after having a guy in the system for a year if he's good enough to bother trying to develop.

The Chiefs should absolutely explore the possibility of adding a QB in this draft.

I liked Foles coming out. In fact, I seem to remember taking shit about stating that I thought he was a better prospect than Tannehill.

And who says Daniel isn't Russ Wilson? He wasn't beating out Brees and he isn't going to beat out Smith, but given the chance...who knows. We certainly don't, and I'm not sure that simply drafting another guy because we don't think he's good enough is complete justification for drafting another dude just to draft another dude because another dude is just going to be another dude.

And I think Bray, with proper coaching, has a lot of potential.

I'm really not too concerned with the Chiefs QB situation right now.

Like I said, if the coaching staff thinks that they can better it down the road because Bray isn't advancing in two seasons or so, that's fine. But right now, in the 2014 draft, by picking another QB, you are just picking a guy who's never going to get a shot at being anything other than the fourth guy on the depth chart at that position. That's just what it is at this point.

I think that most of you would be more concerned with fixing the obvious problems, which are WR and OG, both of which could be high level guys, or potentially high level guys, where the Chiefs will most likely pick.

A Gabe Jackson or Odell Beckham would do a lot more for this team than a guy who doesn't stand much of a chance in beating out Bray, let alone Daniel and Smith for a roster spot.

Like I said, I'm not really thrilled with this QB class. It seems like a whole bunch of average. It's not like there is a Joe Montana or Tom Brady here - who, despite their lower round selections, kicked the shit out of people in college. You aren't seeing that with any of these guys outside of Manziel and a little in Bridgewater, but everytime I watch Teddy, nothing stands out. He's good, but he's not positional epiphany level stuff.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I liked Foles coming out. In fact, I seem to remember taking shit about stating that I thought he was a better prospect than Tannehill.

And who says Daniel isn't Russ Wilson? He wasn't beating out Brees and he isn't going to beat out Smith, but given the chance...who knows. We certainly don't, and I'm not sure that simply drafting another guy because we don't think he's good enough is complete justification for drafting another dude just to draft another dude because another dude is just going to be another dude.

And I think Bray, with proper coaching, has a lot of potential.

I'm really not too concerned with the Chiefs QB situation right now.

Like I said, if the coaching staff thinks that they can better it down the road because Bray isn't advancing in two seasons or so, that's fine. But right now, in the 2014 draft, by picking another QB, you are just picking a guy who's never going to get a shot at being anything other than the fourth guy on the depth chart at that position. That's just what it is at this point.

I think that most of you would be more concerned with fixing the obvious problems, which are WR and OG, both of which could be high level guys, or potentially high level guys, where the Chiefs will most likely pick.

A Gabe Jackson or Odell Beckham would do a lot more for this team than a guy who doesn't stand much of a chance in beating out Bray, let alone Daniel and Smith for a roster spot.

Like I said, I'm not really thrilled with this QB class. It seems like a whole bunch of average. It's not like there is a Joe Montana or Tom Brady here - who, despite their lower round selections, kicked the shit out of people in college. You aren't seeing that with any of these guys outside of Manziel and a little in Bridgewater, but everytime I watch Teddy, nothing stands out. He's good, but he's not positional epiphany level stuff.

Watch Russell Wilson play some Badger games.

Then watch Daniel play some Tiger games.

There's a difference, dude. A HUUUUUUGE difference.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by SNR

Watch Russell Wilson play some Badger games.

Then watch Daniel play some Tiger games.

There's a difference, dude. A HUUUUUUGE difference.

A little hyperbole on my part to be sure, but Daniel was a very good college quarterback who has obviously stuck around the NFL as the #2 guy for a reason. Not too mention that he's been second fiddle to two guys in Brees and Smith who are noted for their work ethic and cerebral understanding of the game as well as two noted QB "gurus" in Peyton and Reid. While he's not "ideal" in the sense of prototypical physical qualities, he's got a lot under his belt in terms of intangibles, coaching and mentoring. Kind of like Wilson but better in those parameters.

And if it wasn't for Crazy Pete, Russell Wilson would still be on the bench of every other team in the league.

It's going to be very, very hard for anybody to beat out Smith as well as Daniel for the #1 and #2 spots on this roster unless it's a guy who has those physical attributes with the mental potential to play in the Reid/Ault/Childress/Peterson west coast/read option system. And they were able to get the guy with the physical aspects in Bray. Like I said, there isn't a guy in the 2014 draft with the physical traits/skill set of Bray. And there isn't a guy with the experience of either Smith or Daniel.

Just my two cents, but when you consider all aspects, using a draft pick on a QB in 2014 isn't going to net you much if anything beyond what we have and I don't think that there is anyone who is going to give you even a ceiling to what we currently have on the roster.

2014 should be about shoring up the few obvious holes that remain on the starting lineup/roster. Where we pick, we would be able to address either the WR or OG spot with a high level prospect.

Gabe Jackson has perennial All-Pro written all over him and I really like Odell Beckham, especially for this offense, i.e., precise route running, great hands, run after the catch capabilities, etc.