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Old 01-18-2013, 03:29 PM   #1
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Old 01-18-2013, 03:56 PM   #2
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:14 PM   #3
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:25 PM   #4
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I am not going to go one way or another until the combine is done.
What could possibly happen at the combine, that is told to the media, that would make an ounce of difference? It's almost guaranteed that the top guys aren't gonna throw (top guys never do) and it's not like Genos 40 time matters AT ALL for him as a prospect.

For quarterbacks, the important part of the combine is the interviews and the content of those interviews are kept under lock and key.

I expect Geno to run a 4.7 40, but if he runs a 4.9 or even a 5flat, it wouldn't effect my opinion of him very much because I already know that he values his abilities as a passer far more than his ability to move the chains as a runner. That alone should allow him to have a sustained career that is very productive.
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:39 PM   #5
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What could possibly happen at the combine, that is told to the media, that would make an ounce of difference? It's almost guaranteed that the top guys aren't gonna throw (top guys never do)
If Smith refused to throw, his draft stock will plummet. He's already refused the Senior Bowl and regardless of what Chiefsplanet thinks of him, at this point in time, there are questions about him.
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Old 01-18-2013, 06:36 PM   #6
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If Smith refused to throw, his draft stock will plummet. He's already refused the Senior Bowl and regardless of what Chiefsplanet thinks of him, at this point in time, there are questions about him.
Top guys refuse to throw ALL THE TIME.

For all the talk about people being "Geno crazy" it's pretty easy to see why.

The rhetoric against varies between ignorant and downright stupid.
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:34 PM   #7
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Top guys refuse to throw ALL THE TIME.

For all the talk about people being "Geno crazy" it's pretty easy to see why.

The rhetoric against varies between ignorant and downright stupid.
So, you're of the opinion that Smith can bypass throwing at the Combine, yet still be drafted #1 overall?
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Old 01-18-2013, 10:21 PM   #8
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If Smith refused to throw, his draft stock will plummet. He's already refused the Senior Bowl and regardless of what Chiefsplanet thinks of him, at this point in time, there are questions about him.
You think those questions will be answered by throwing to players he has only been around for a couple days and has no timing with?
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Old 01-18-2013, 04:34 PM   #9
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I'll echo what a lot of you have said here. If any QB is worth taking in the top 15, why not take him at #1? I think we're all pretty much in agreement that the biggest need on this Chiefs team is a QB. True, there isn't a Luck or RG3 this year, but how many drats have such players? Not many, so man up and take the best QB available and move on. Not rocket science, folks.
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:42 PM   #10
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I'll echo what a lot of you have said here. If any QB is worth taking in the top 15, why not take him at #1? I think we're all pretty much in agreement that the biggest need on this Chiefs team is a QB. True, there isn't a Luck or RG3 this year, but how many drats have such players? Not many, so man up and take the best QB available and move on. Not rocket science, folks.
I like Smith and I would like for him to separate himself and for us to take him at 1. The flip side of that argument however comes down to how good Smith really is in comparison to other players in the draft and the league.

If Smith is the clear cut best option available in both the draft and in free agency/trade, and everyone else is a severe fall off the cliff compared to him (IE Smith is Matt Stafford and the next guy is Blaine Gabbert) then you take Smith. But if you say that Smith is going to be kind of in the same boat as a lot of these other guys, or you can get a guy in a later round that you feel has the makeup to succeed, then is there a better player available?

For example, in hindsight it looks obvious, but in 2011 both Tennessee and JVille needed QB's and they identified Locker and Gabbert as top 10 worthy, and drafted them at 8 and 10 respectively. Meanwhile, JJ Watt go at 11, and Dalton and Kaepernick go in the second round.

So Dorsey has a lot of different angles he has to look at. Is Smith truly the best? Will he fit in with what we do here and thrive? Do we give big money to Albert or is Joekel a significant, potential All-Pro upgrade? Is there a defender that is a game changer at that pick? Can we trade down? Will there be a QB in round 2 that will be a better fit for Reid? Can we trade back into the first round and take a QB who might not be significantly different than Smith? Etc.

To me, if the answer is that Smith is by far the best QB available this year in the draft and free agency, and if there is no truly elite prospect in the draft, then the choice is simple. If Dorsey doesn't see much difference between Smith and Joekel talent wise, IE they both have upside but both have some warts, and elects to go with Joekel just because he is a "safer" pick, then that to me is like Jake Long over Matt Ryan, which is a mistake...
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:09 PM   #12
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For the guys who don't want to draft Geno #1, where/who do we get who's better? If we don't draft a QB #1 it's because we sign or trade for someone better? Who is it?

Fact is we have to go into the season with the best QB possible. I'm OK with signing a veteran also as long as we get Geno. Geno might need time to work on the mechanics and mental reps of this style. Go into the season with the safety plan, but if Geno shows he's ready during Pre-Season then start him day one.
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Does Joekel improve our team over Albert more than Smith improves our team over Quinn or Cassel? I think the answer should be obvious.
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Old 01-18-2013, 09:13 PM   #14
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Does Joekel improve our team over Albert more than Smith improves our team over Quinn or Cassel? I think the answer should be obvious.
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When a QB works out, it doesn't matter where he was picked.

The guys who thought Brett Favre, Andy Dalton, Drew Brees, Colin Kaepernick, Russel Wilson and Aaron Rodgers weren't worth top 5 picks were fools.

If you identify a guy you think has a chance at leading your team, you take him as soon as you get a chance and that includes trading up to do so.

If we pass on a QB at the top pick, we deserve what we get.
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