Teicher's Garbage Part Deux: Star's Top 10 QB's

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

The problem with this whole mess right now, is people don't understand what it is they are ranking, why one player is ahead of another, and so forth. One media outlet ranks guys based on Variable A, people scream at it. Another media outlet ranks guys based on Variable B, people scream at it. Another media outlet ranks guys based on where they believe they will be drafted based on team needs and fitment with said teams, and where those teams will draft. People scream at it.


So lets look at the big picture here. While Geno is the unanimous #1 right now, it isn't like he's head and shoulders above the rest, like Luck/RG3 were. This is going to come as a shock to people, but just because Geno is ranked #1 for QB talent in this draft (regardless how little the separation truly is) it doesn't mean he's a lock for the #1 QB taken in the draft, nor the #1 selection. For all we know, Wilson could be the guy who Andy Reid thinks fits our offense the best. Since there is very little actual separation between Wilson and Smith, Wilson could easily be the #1 draft pick. However, if the consensus of our FO believes Wilson will be available in the 2nd round, and is still THE BEST QB in their eyes for this team, they aren't going to spend a #1 draft pick on him. They'll be communicating with other teams to get a feel for where they rank Wilson as well, and might even make a move back into the first round to get him.

The Chiefs could pull a Browns move and go get their Star Tackle with their first selection, then trade back into the first and get their QBOTF with their second selection. Lets just hope it doesn't end up Brady Quinn lol.

Now, if I were to rank them in terms of the play I feel will fit into a Chiefs/Reid mold from the last 2-3 years, I'm going with this.

Smith>Wilson>/only two prospects worth a first rounder right now in my eyes/ > Bray>Barkley(ewww)>Nassib=Glennon>Manuel>life>universe>everything>Jones


Junk vs. Junk there, a debate for another thread. My 8 year old nephew could put a better analysis together

Or we could simply resign our stud LT we have now and draft Geno #1, I know it's a new concept to most morons but I figured I would point that out for you.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

Or we could simply resign our stud LT we have now and draft Geno #1, I know it's a new concept to most morons but I figured I would point that out for you.

That doesn't fit the hypothetical scenario being tossed around according to the article.

Letting Albert go is the worst thing this FO could do all offseason.

But getting back to a point the "morons" cannot swallow yet.

lets say Geno is the guy for our team, our FO and HC are sold on him, he has a terrible combine/pro day or others have great ones that blow people away. Geno slides to a second round prospect.

Do you spend the #1 draft on Geno still? Or do you spend it on the new #1 overall QB? Do you spend your #1 on a non QB and your 2nd rounder on Geno?

What would you do given that hypothetical scenario.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

That doesn't fit the hypothetical scenario being tossed around according to the article.

Letting Albert go is the worst thing this FO could do all offseason.

But getting back to a point the "morons" cannot swallow yet.

lets say Geno is the guy for our team, our FO and HC are sold on him, he has a terrible combine/pro day or others have great ones that blow people away. Geno slides to a second round prospect.

Do you spend the #1 draft on Geno still? Or do you spend it on the new #1 overall QB? Do you spend your #1 on a non QB and your 2nd rounder on Geno?

What would you do given that hypothetical scenario.

I would teleport back to reality, ie it isn't happening. I would take the best QB available and we all know who that is...

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

I would teleport back to reality, ie it isn't happening. I would take the best QB available and we all know who that is...

The best QB available is Geno, but that doesn't mean we are drating him. That doesn't mean that Andy Reid and the Chiefs are going to draft Geno #1.


I'm telling you, this is how this is going to work. If Andy Reid and the FO don't think Smith is worth the #1 pick overall, but believe he's the #1 QB fit for them, they aren't going to pull the trigger with the #1 overall. They'll wait for the 2nd round.

I know this might come as a gigantic surprise to you, but unless there is a "once in a generation" guy out there, each team is going to have their own individual rankings for players to fit within their team and only their team. They aren't going to JUST rank them best overall, and they aren't going to draft them best overall.

For all we know, the Chiefs right now could be sold on Bray as their guy. And do you know what they won't do with that #1 pick? Waste it on a QB they can get in the 2nd round, or waste it on the consensus #1 QB "just cause".

Sweet Jesus, its like 99.7% of you are on this "We have to draft the #1 QB with the #1 pick or the Chiefs are dead to me" kick.

Have a little faith in your team for christs sake. If it just so happens that Geno is the #1 guy FOR US, then there is absolutely NO QUESTION that we'll draft him #1 overall.

What you need to remember is that YOU and I do not make that call. The Chiefs do.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

Have a little faith in your team for christs sake.

Sounds like a great idea after the last 40 years.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Sounds like a great idea after the last 40 years.

We're still here, We're still Chiefs fans. We still came together as a fanbase to oust our GM did we not?

We cleaned house, have a new GM and HC, practically a whole new FO and Staff, and we have the #1 pick in the draft.

IF we didn't believe in this team, we wouldn't be on this board talking about our beloved team.

However, it seems like everyone is in a ****ing panic about what is going to happen in 3 months, when you assholes need to chill out, have a drink, kick back in a lawn chair and take a deep breath. We've got it easy ladies and gents. Papa Walrus is going to do us right.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

The best QB available is Geno, but that doesn't mean we are drating him. That doesn't mean that Andy Reid and the Chiefs are going to draft Geno #1.


I'm telling you, this is how this is going to work. If Andy Reid and the FO don't think Smith is worth the #1 pick overall, but believe he's the #1 QB fit for them, they aren't going to pull the trigger with the #1 overall. They'll wait for the 2nd round.

I know this might come as a gigantic surprise to you, but unless there is a "once in a generation" guy out there, each team is going to have their own individual rankings for players to fit within their team and only their team. They aren't going to JUST rank them best overall, and they aren't going to draft them best overall.

For all we know, the Chiefs right now could be sold on Bray as their guy. And do you know what they won't do with that #1 pick? Waste it on a QB they can get in the 2nd round, or waste it on the consensus #1 QB "just cause".

Sweet Jesus, its like 99.7% of you are on this "We have to draft the #1 QB with the #1 pick or the Chiefs are dead to me" kick.

Have a little faith in your team for christs sake. If it just so happens that Geno is the #1 guy FOR US, then there is absolutely NO QUESTION that we'll draft him #1 overall.

What you need to remember is that YOU and I do not make that call. The Chiefs do.

It's like the 500th time you caught your wife cheating on you, have a little faith...show me why I should have an inkling of faith. Add to that the fact your best friend who happens to be a supermodel really wants to get serious with ya, a once in a lifetime chance...what do you do in this hypothetical?

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

But getting back to a point the "morons" cannot swallow yet.

lets say Geno is the guy for our team, our FO and HC are sold on him, he has a terrible combine/pro day or others have great ones that blow people away. Geno slides to a second round prospect.

Do you spend the #1 draft on Geno still? Or do you spend it on the new #1 overall QB? Do you spend your #1 on a non QB and your 2nd rounder on Geno?

What would you do given that hypothetical scenario.

I like how you like to pretend people can't understand this concept to feel smarter. Has nothing to do with understanding it and everything to do with not believing it is going to happen. It's about the fear that our guy won't drop far enough. Or the risk. If Reid thinks he found his QB, he needs to take him, not get cute. It has nothing to do with misunderstanding the hypothetical.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I like how you like to pretend people can't understand this concept to feel smarter. Has nothing to do with understanding it and everything to do with not believing it is going to happen. It's about the fear that our guy won't drop far enough. Or the risk. If Reid thinks he found his QB, he needs to take him, not get cute. It has nothing to do with misunderstanding the hypothetical.

You aren't getting it.

I'll dumb it down.

Lets say Geno is the #1 guy for us, but is guaranteed to be there in the second round.

Do you really want us to waste the #1 on a guy we could get in the 2nd round?

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

You aren't getting it.

I'll dumb it down.

Lets say Geno is the #1 guy for us, but is guaranteed to be there in the second round.

Do you really want us to waste the #1 on a guy we could get in the 2nd round?

Yeah, yet again I get it. What you don't get is that the bold part isn't going to happen. If every team signed a form stating they couldn't draft Geno in the first then I am gonna draft something else at one. Since that isn't going to happen Reid should just take the QB he wants if he thinks there is even a 5% chance that his QB won't be there for him.

Again, has nothing to do with not understanding it and everything to do with risk and reality. You are just trying to sound like you are talking about some complicated concept nobody can understand. We understand, we just don't agree with it.

[Exoter175]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Yeah, yet again I get it. What you don't get is that the bold part isn't going to happen. If every team signed a form stating they couldn't draft Geno in the first then I am gonna draft something else at one. Since that isn't going to happen Reid should just take the QB he wants if he thinks there is even a 5% chance that his QB won't be there for him.

Again, has nothing to do with not understanding it and everything to do with risk and reality. You are just trying to sound like you are talking about some complicated concept nobody can understand. We understand, we just don't agree with it.

That isn't it at all, the real issue is you are scared to lose the #1 option for QB for us in this draft.

That's all you have to say.

I'm a gambler, if there's a 95% chance that Geno is there in the second and he's my #1 guy for the position, I'm taking those odds all day long.

It isn't about reality either, it is a about logic.

Everyone here is all in on Geno, but the truth is nobody here knows what Andy Reid and the FO are thinking. We need to let up on the reigns a bit and be happy that we have a new braintrust for this organization and let them do their thing.

If Geno is their #1 guy, and they pass on him in the 1st round, I'm going to support their decision to do so. I don't think it's the most likely of things to happen, but I"m not going to put on the blinders and join this absurd "QB with the #1 pick or bust" bandwagon.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

That isn't it at all, the real issue is you are scared to lose the #1 option for QB for us in this draft.

Everyone here is all in on Geno, but the truth is nobody here knows what Andy Reid and the FO are thinking. We need to let up on the reigns a bit and be happy that we have a new braintrust for this organization and let them do their thing.

If Geno is their #1 guy, and they pass on him in the 1st round, I'm going to support their decision to do so. I don't think it's the most likely of things to happen, but I"m not going to put on the blinders and join this absurd "QB with the #1 pick or bust" bandwagon.

Pretty sure risk has a lot to do with fearing the loss of the QB Reid and company value the most. So how is that not it at all? The position is too important. I am afraid of losing the #1 option. You talk about trusting Reid and company, well I do. I don't want to lose the guy they think is the best option. Trusting their opinion on the talent and trusting the 95% chance are two different things.

I have never stated that I am done if they don't take Smith. None of this shows I didn't understand your point. I just don't agree with the risk. If Reid finds his guy, don't **** around if there is any chance of you losing him.