Chiefs Restating the obvious, Dorsey learned from Ted Thompson - Page 20

ct · 04-03-2014, 05:00 AM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/03/packers-prefer-compensatory-picks-over-unrestricted-free-agents/

Packers General Manager Ted Thompson has a formula for building his team, and he’s sticking with it.

Thompson believes in building through the draft, not free agency, and that includes acquiring more draft picks by declining to sign unrestricted free agents. In the NFL, teams that lose more in free agency than they acquire get compensatory picks, and the Packers’ moves in free agency this year indicate that they’re already thinking about acquiring compensatory picks for next year. The NFL doesn’t public the precise formula used to determine compensatory picks, but the simple version is that if the unrestricted free agents you lose are better, higher-paid players than the unrestricted free agents you sign, then the NFL will compensate you the following year with compensatory picks.

As the Green Bay Press-Gazette points out, even the one big name the Packers have signed this offseason, Julius Peppers, was a free agent because he was released by the Bears, not because his previous contract expired. That means he won’t count as an unrestricted free agent addition for the Packers for the purpose of determining their compensatory picks next year.

Last year the Packers lost two key players, receiver Greg Jennings and linebacker Erik Walden, as unrestricted free agents. And the Packers didn’t sign any unrestricted free agents last year. As a result, this year they’re getting an extra third-round pick and an extra fifth-round pick as compensatory selections.

This year the Packers have again not signed away any players whose previous contract expired, but they have lost four players, center Evan Dietrich-Smith, receiver James Jones, defensive lineman C.J. Wilson and offensive lineman Marshall Newhouse. That means the Packers will almost certainly do well when the compensatory picks are passed out a year from now.

Building through the draft and declining to overspend in free agency would be a smart strategy even if the NFL didn’t have a compensatory pick system to reward frugal teams. But when compensatory picks are added to the equation, it’s easy to see why Thompson declines to go after free agents. The Packers have been successful this way. It’s surprising more teams haven’t copied them.

May not be popular here but Dorsey is doing exactly the same thing Thompson and Ozzie Newsome are doing, stockpile draft picks and let UFAs get overpaid elsewhere.

Marcellus · 04-04-2014, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SDChiefs

You are wrong in so many ways it has become tiring. you CAN build through the draft and use other avenues to fill holes. building through the draft means the majority of your players are drafted and usually the core foundation is as well. it doesnt mean they refuse to make the team better via trade or free agency. Your one argument is Dorsey made 1 trade so hes not building through the draft even though he is stockpiling picks and not signing a lot of free agents. Thats lunacy.

It's extremely simplistic narrow minded agenda driven thinking is what it is.

Its simply a narrative built for 1 purpose, to be able to complain about this off-season.

**HemiEd** · 04-04-2014, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

What do you mean the timing of Cassel and Smith? They traded for them in weak QB draft class years.

Their very first moves, right out of the gate. Neither of them even spent any length of time evaluating other options because they pulled the trigger too quick.
It was ok thought to spend the #3 overall on Tyson Jackson and the #1 overall on a right tackle from a small school.

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Originally Posted by Messier

It is hard to comprehend, because it takes a huge conspiracy leap to go there. No GM prospect worth a lick, and as much as we hate him, Pioli was a blue chip GM prospect, so was Dorsey, neither one would take a job where they were handcuffed by ownership, especially concerning the most important position on the field.

That is where I disagree. The Hunts are well known and respected for not micro managing for the most part, so having this one rule wouldn't be that hard to accept when you are getting paid millions of dollars.

I am just calling it the way I see it. I would be thrilled to be proven wrong some day, but I would put the money on my side of it.

Messier · 04-04-2014, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Do you honestly think their first priority is to win a Super Bowl?

Absolutely.

**HemiEd** · 04-04-2014, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I can't speak for Lamar or anybody else, but now that we've gone two full decades without a playoff win, I have a hard time laughing at anybody else's failure.

Exactly, and at least the Raiders were trying to achieve greatness at the risk of failure to achieve mediocrity.

The Raiders have been failing at mediocrity for quite some time and our beloved Chiefs won the division in 2010 with Matt Cassel and got a wild card spot last season with Alex Smith.

So who is achieving their goal and who is wrong? I am cool with what the Chiefs are doing now that I know what it is and have no false hope of them drafting a franchise QB anymore.

Messier · 04-04-2014, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Their very first moves, right out of the gate. Neither of them even spent any length of time evaluating other options because they pulled the trigger too quick.
It was ok thought to spend the #3 overall on Tyson Jackson and the #1 overall on a right tackle from a small school.

That is where I disagree. The Hunts are well known and respected for not micro managing for the most part, so having this one rule wouldn't be that hard to accept when you are getting paid millions of dollars.

I am just calling it the way I see it. I would be thrilled to be proven wrong some day, but I would put the money on my side of it.

That's one HUGE rule that they have to follow. No, they wouldn't take the job with that stipulation. But, why would the Hunts have that as a rule in the first place? Because they got burned on it once? They got burned at a lot of positions in the past.

htismaqe · 04-04-2014, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SDChiefs

You are wrong in so many ways it has become tiring. you CAN build through the draft and use other avenues to fill holes. building through the draft means the majority of your players are drafted and usually the core foundation is as well. it doesnt mean they refuse to make the team better via trade or free agency. Your one argument is Dorsey made 1 trade so hes not building through the draft even though he is stockpiling picks and not signing a lot of free agents. Thats lunacy.

You're so tired of it you can't resist responding.

Sheep.

htismaqe · 04-04-2014, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

It's extremely simplistic narrow minded agenda driven thinking is what it is.

Its simply a narrative built for 1 purpose, to be able to complain about this off-season.

You might have a point, if I were actually complaining...

keg in kc · 04-04-2014, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Exactly, and at least the Raiders were trying to achieve greatness at the risk of failure to achieve mediocrity.

The Raiders have been failing at mediocrity for quite some time and our beloved Chiefs won the division in 2010 with Matt Cassel and got a wild card spot last season with Alex Smith.

So who is achieving their goal and who is wrong? I am cool with what the Chiefs are doing now that I know what it is and have no false hope of them drafting a franchise QB anymore.

So, basically, your point is that you're happy as long as we're less inept than the Raiders.

More power to you, I guess. I tend to put the bar a little higher than that.

Chief Roundup · 04-04-2014, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

It's extremely simplistic narrow minded agenda driven thinking is what it is.

Its simply a narrative built for 1 purpose, to be able to complain about every off-season.

FYP

He would have rather we drafted Geno Smith at 1.1 and paid him a QB contract worthy of the 1.1 knowing that contract is fully guaranteed or maybe have signed some shit backup QB while knowing the fans are flying banners and unhappy with the product and those moves would not have improved the product all while fan interest is leaving.

htismaqe · 04-04-2014, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

FYP

He would have rather we drafted Geno Smith at 1.1 and paid him a QB contract worthy of the 1.1 knowing that contract is fully guaranteed or maybe have signed some shit backup QB while knowing the fans are flying banners and unhappy with the product and those moves would not have improved the product all while fan interest is leaving.

I hope you're not talking about me. Because you'd be wrong.

And FYI, Geno's contract wouldn't be significantly different than Eric Fisher's. You do know what salary slotting is, right?

Chief Roundup · 04-04-2014, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Their very first moves, right out of the gate. Neither of them even spent any length of time evaluating other options because they pulled the trigger too quick.
It was ok thought to spend the #3 overall on Tyson Jackson and the #1 overall on a right tackle from a small school.

That is where I disagree. The Hunts are well known and respected for not micro managing

Oh so you don't think that Pioli thought he knew exactly what he was getting in Cassel or the probability factor of Mark Sanchez becoming a franchise QB. I am sure he did and to suggest otherwise is not thinking rationally.
You also don't think that Dorsey knew anything about Alex Smith...How long has he been in the league. Who again was working in the scouting department that year looking at Alex Smith vs. Aaron Rodgers? You don't think that they didn't know what to expect out of Geno Smith. Man come on this is some pretty ridiculous stuff right here.
If any of this was correct then Dorsey would not be considered as he is in the NFL.
If the Hunts are known for NOT micro managing then why would they? One rule or not is still micro managing when it is about the MOST IMPORTANT POSITION ON THE FIELD THAT COSTS THE MOST MONEY.

Chief Roundup · 04-04-2014, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I hope you're not talking about me. Because you'd be wrong.

And FYI, Geno's contract wouldn't be significantly different than Eric Fisher's. You do know what salary slotting is, right?

Oh really then I would like to hear it again. Because all you do is bitch no matter what move they make that they could have or should have done something different.
There is slotting but it does vary some by position from what I have seen.

htismaqe · 04-04-2014, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Oh really then I would like to hear it again. Because all you do is bitch no matter what move they make that they could have or should have done something different.
There is slotting but it does vary some by position from what I have seen.

I'm not bitching about anything. And I've said good things about several of their moves.

You're one of the most narrow-minded people here.

Chief Roundup · 04-04-2014, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

You're one of the most narrow-minded people here.

Oh really point it out. I know you can't. I am very open minded and accepting of the moves that they have made and the rational behind them.

Yeah you say you are not bitching but it is what everyone else gets out of your posts.

Chief Roundup · 04-04-2014, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

And FYI, Geno's contract wouldn't be significantly different than Eric Fisher's. You do know what salary slotting is, right?

Eric Fisher was also rated much higher than Geno Smith in the draft.

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ct u b illian Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: DooDah Casino cash: $10009436	Restating the obvious, Dorsey learned from Ted Thompson http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/03/packers-prefer-compensatory-picks-over-unrestricted-free-agents/ Packers General Manager Ted Thompson has a formula for building his team, and he’s sticking with it. Thompson believes in building through the draft, not free agency, and that includes acquiring more draft picks by declining to sign unrestricted free agents. In the NFL, teams that lose more in free agency than they acquire get compensatory picks, and the Packers’ moves in free agency this year indicate that they’re already thinking about acquiring compensatory picks for next year. The NFL doesn’t public the precise formula used to determine compensatory picks, but the simple version is that if the unrestricted free agents you lose are better, higher-paid players than the unrestricted free agents you sign, then the NFL will compensate you the following year with compensatory picks. As the Green Bay Press-Gazette points out, even the one big name the Packers have signed this offseason, Julius Peppers, was a free agent because he was released by the Bears, not because his previous contract expired. That means he won’t count as an unrestricted free agent addition for the Packers for the purpose of determining their compensatory picks next year. Last year the Packers lost two key players, receiver Greg Jennings and linebacker Erik Walden, as unrestricted free agents. And the Packers didn’t sign any unrestricted free agents last year. As a result, this year they’re getting an extra third-round pick and an extra fifth-round pick as compensatory selections. This year the Packers have again not signed away any players whose previous contract expired, but they have lost four players, center Evan Dietrich-Smith, receiver James Jones, defensive lineman C.J. Wilson and offensive lineman Marshall Newhouse. That means the Packers will almost certainly do well when the compensatory picks are passed out a year from now. Building through the draft and declining to overspend in free agency would be a smart strategy even if the NFL didn’t have a compensatory pick system to reward frugal teams. But when compensatory picks are added to the equation, it’s easy to see why Thompson declines to go after free agents. The Packers have been successful this way. It’s surprising more teams haven’t copied them. May not be popular here but Dorsey is doing exactly the same thing Thompson and Ozzie Newsome are doing, stockpile draft picks and let UFAs get overpaid elsewhere.
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