Chiefs So Cassel is clearly the wrong guy, but what should Pioli have done? - Page 4

Amnorix · 10-09-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd

I don't think you can put aside the Orton option if you're asking what really should have been done.

Not that he was the answer but it was clearly evident last year he was the better QB of the two.

Yeah, maybe that answer is sufficient. I didn't know if there was another one or not. Just sticking with Cassel instead of Orton certainly hasn't worked out well to say the least.

BoneKrusher · 10-09-2012, 04:51 PM

shit canned the Patriot Way when he first came to KC.

Hammock Parties · 10-09-2012, 04:54 PM

You can't sit here and say those quarterbacks wouldn't have turned out differently on a different team.

And besides, Kyle Orton is obviously superior to Matt Cassel.

Now **** off.

Amnorix · 10-09-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

You can't sit here and say those quarterbacks wouldn't have turned out differently on a different team.

Sanchez has limited talent around him, and obviously isn't good enough to elevate anybody above what they otherwise are. I think he's probably pretty equal to Cassel, actually. In a perfect environment, when they don't have most of the pressure, they won't suck, but if all else isn't great, then they sink to the level of their teammates.

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And besides, Kyle Orton is obviously superior to Matt Cassel.

Agreed.

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Now **** off.

Why should I? Cuz you asked? How 'bout no.

Hammock Parties · 10-09-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

I think he's probably pretty equal to Cassel, actually.

Simply by virtue of the fact that he didn't completely shit his pants in multiple playoff wins elevates him above Cassel.

Quite frankly, I think Sanchez would be a mother****ing stud throwing Dwayne Bowe and Steve Breaston with Jamaal Charles burning up the yards on the ground.

Shit, he might even elevate Jon Baldwin away from superbust status.

Amnorix · 10-09-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Simply by virtue of the fact that he didn't completely shit his pants in multiple playoff wins elevates him above Cassel.

Quite frankly, I think Sanchez would be a mother****ing stud throwing Dwayne Bowe and Steve Breaston with Jamaal Charles burning up the yards on the ground.

Shit, he might even elevate Jon Baldwin away from superbust status.

Then you haven't watched enough of Sanchez.

Hammock Parties · 10-09-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

Then you haven't watched enough of Sanchez.

Again: Just watching his playoff performances is enough to say he's a better player than Cassel.

And I said this last year: Sanchez had a "bad season" according to true fans, and still threw 26 TD.

Cassel had a "good season" and threw 27.

Sorter · 10-09-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Shit, he might even elevate Jon Baldwin away from superbust status.

I can't in good conscience call Baldwin a superbust when he's had Cassel as his QB.

If he can't produce with Geno next year, then he needs to go.

Sorter · 10-09-2012, 04:54 PM

The main issue I have with Scott (besides the 60M to Matt) is not retaining Orton, bringing in legitimate competition via the draft this year, the year before, and the year before that, and continuing to stick with him despite the fact Cassel was the main contributor in our team's lack of success.

Crush · 10-09-2012, 04:56 PM

I can't wait until Brady's career ends and this "Patriot Way" bullshit is exposed as the biggest scam in NFL history.

Amnorix · 10-09-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Crush

I can't wait until Brady's career ends and this "Patriot Way" bullshit is exposed as the biggest scam in NFL history.

All dynasties come to an end sooner or later.

Cannibal · 10-09-2012, 04:56 PM

It has been discussed around here already. 2010 was the year Weis was the OC. He really did a good job of masking Cassel's deficiencies. We still ran alot on obvious passing downs in 2010. We also had a very weak schedule which allowed Cassel to have few decent games against some really shitty teams.

-King- · 10-09-2012, 04:57 PM

Some posts from Dane. Remember, he WATCHED the games and didn't just look at stats

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You know, I'm not so sure about that. I think he has a very good chance of being not only a Franchise guy but a Top Five guy as well.

He's improved exponentially this year. It's really only his third year of playing football since high school. He's not only improved on the field by leaps and bounds, but he continues to impress as THE LEADER of this football team.

I never expected such a turnaround from last season and at this point in time, I don't think he's even close to his ceiling.

The guy is really ****ing impressive and I'm more excited about the quarterback of the Kansas City Chiefs since Len Dawson was winning championships.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think that over the past few weeks, Cassel is the main reason why the Chiefs are winning games.

Sure, the running game is excellent but he's making players out of guys like Verran Tucker and a washed up Chris Chambers. He's been hitting Bowe and Moeaki with consistency and they're usually at fault when the pass is incomplete. The INT today was in no way Cassel's fault.

It's painfully obvious that Brodie Croyle has no place on this football team. The Chiefs would have probably lost against San Diego last week with Cassel, but that was an entirely different looking football team than the one we saw today.

This team clearly respects Cassel and they play at a higher level when he's under center.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Whatever.

If the Chiefs receivers were the strength of this football team (instead of a glaring weakness), Cassel's numbers would be MUCH higher.

And that's from only 1 thread.

GordonGekko · 10-09-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Some posts from Dane. Remember, he WATCHED the games and didn't just look at stats

And that's from only 1 thread.

Damn...

If that were me after reading my quotes I'd probably develop some sort of chronic diarrhea.

27 tds. in this day of passing offenses is not that great, in fact it is mediocre. Qb's should be putting up a minimum of 25 td's with the way the rules are right now, any less and they are under performing the position.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-09-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Some posts from Dane. Remember, he WATCHED the games and didn't just look at stats

Alright Smartass, how about these (because I knew your **** ass was up to something)

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If Cassel continues to play shitty, I'm betting Haley replaces Cassel.

I don't see any reason why they'd be so stubborn as to **** the team out of wins.

Belichick & Pioli had no problem replacing and sticking with Bledsoe after Brady performed well in 2001 and after the Super Bowl win, Bledsoe was traded.

The only difference being that I don't think Cassel's worth a draft choice to anyone.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Cassel shouldn't be blamed for the loss.

But, Cassel proved once again that he shits the bed when something of value is on the line, in this case, the game.

Three straight incompletions.

Using one thread as a barometer is ****ing stupid.

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Sorter Caralho Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $9631474	The main issue I have with Scott (besides the 60M to Matt) is not retaining Orton, bringing in legitimate competition via the draft this year, the year before, and the year before that, and continuing to stick with him despite the fact Cassel was the main contributor in our team's lack of success.
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10-09-2012, 04:56 PM	#12
Cannibal Better to burn out... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Bible Thumping Country Casino cash: $10010618	It has been discussed around here already. 2010 was the year Weis was the OC. He really did a good job of masking Cassel's deficiencies. We still ran alot on obvious passing downs in 2010. We also had a very weak schedule which allowed Cassel to have few decent games against some really shitty teams.
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