Bowes says we're going Deep /gonna blow up the scoreboard

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by -King-

Really?

Number of passes thrown over 10 yards in 2012:
Matt Cassel: 92
Alex Smith: 56

In 2011
Matt Cassel (in 9 games): 89
Alex Smith: 117

So on average, Alex Smith throws the ball over 10 yards only 7 times per game. Matt Cassel on average throws the ball over 10 yards 11 times a game.

Checkmate.

Checkmate? You never answered my question. What was he asked to do in the offense?

Feel free to hate, when you are swinging off his dick next year dont claim you knew it was coming.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Checkmate? You never answered my question. What was he asked to do in the offense?

Feel free to hate, when you are swinging off his dick next year dont claim you knew it was coming.

Ask yourself this... why was he asked to do what he was asked to do in that offense?

Do you think Harbaugh is stupid? Why do you think he asked Alex not to throw deep? Why do you think when Kaepernick came in, they threw over 10 yards 12 times a game?

It's not that hard to figure out. Harbaugh isn't stupid. He didn't limit Alex for no reason. He didn't all of a sudden start throwing deeper with Kaepernick just for shits and giggles.

Right now, you're pretty much saying Harbaugh was purposefully holding Alex Smith back by not letting him throw.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by -King-

Ask yourself this... why was he asked to do what he was asked to do in that offense?

Do you think Harbaugh is stupid? Why do you think he asked Alex not to throw deep? Why do you think when Kaepernick came in, they threw over 10 yards 12 times a game?

It's not that hard to figure out. Harbaugh isn't stupid. He didn't limit Alex for no reason. He didn't all of a sudden start throwing deeper with Kaepernick just for shits and giggles.

Right now, you're pretty much saying Harbaugh was purposefully holding Alex Smith back by not letting him throw.

I don't believe that Smith was asked to eschew the deep ball.

I believe that was all on Smith.

He lacked the confidence in his deep ball to go deep unless the receiver was wide open.

He was asked to minimize mistakes, and the way he managed that was the intermediate middle, the short passing game, and the checkdown, and to take sacks instead of risking mistakes.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by milkman

I don't believe that Smith was asked to eschew the deep ball.

I believe that was all on Smith.

He lacked the confidence in his deep ball to go deep unless the receiver was wide open.

He was asked to minimize mistakes, and the way he managed that was the intermediate middle, the short passing game, and the checkdown, and to take sacks instead of risking mistakes.

You do realize if the bolded part is correct the unbolded part is incorrect right Milk?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You do realize if the bolded part is correct the unbolded part is incorrect right Milk?

No it isn't.

There were deep ball opportunities that Smith failed to take advantage of because the window was smaller than he had the confidence to complete.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by milkman

No it isn't.

There were deep ball opportunities that Smith failed to take advantage of because the window was smaller than he had the confidence to complete.

I imagine there is some truth to that but keep in mind if the mantra is dont turn the ball over that is the call to be made.

Case in point, with Al Saunders offense you took chances because you knew you were going to get another shot. Turnovers were accepted as part of the deal.

You can distinguish the difference, I know you can.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I imagine there is some truth to that but keep in mind if the mantra is dont turn the ball over that is the call to be made.

Case in point, with Al Saunders offense you took chances because you knew you were going to get another shot. Turnovers were accepted as part of the deal.

You can distinguish the difference, I know you can.

There's a difference between playing smart and lacking confidence.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Checkmate? You never answered my question. What was he asked to do in the offense?

Feel free to hate, when you are swinging off his dick next year dont claim you knew it was coming.

Kaepernick didn't have any trouble having success with deep passes in the same offense with the same coach. So if your argument is that Smith wasn't asked to throw deep, it was because Harbaugh had no confidence in his ability to do so, but did for Kaepernick.

Any way you slice it, the deep ball isn't a strength of Alex Smith's game. To date he has shown that can be a role player and game manager in a run-oriented offense. That isn't the role of the QB in Andy Reid's offense. Alex Smith is going to be asked to do things he has never done well. He doesn't have a lot of natural talent to fall back on. He's not a guy that does well under pressure. These are things we know. This is the reality. There seems to be more evidence to justify pessimism than optimism.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Kaepernick didn't have any trouble having success with deep passes in the same offense with the same coach. So if your argument is that Smith wasn't asked to throw deep, it was because Harbaugh had no confidence in his ability to do so, but did for Kaepernick.

Any way you slice it, the deep ball isn't a strength of Alex Smith's game. To date he has shown that can be a role player and game manager in a run-oriented offense. That isn't the role of the QB in Andy Reid's offense. Alex Smith is going to be asked to do things he has never done well. He doesn't have a lot of natural talent to fall back on. He's not a guy that does well under pressure. These are things we know. This is the reality. There seems to be more evidence to justify pessimism than optimism.

While i agree in principle with almost everything, its worth asking... what exactly does Reid see that we dont, that makes him think Smith CAN execute a deep passing offense?

There has to be some metric we're not seeing if Reid isnt planning to drastically alter his offense.

Either way, i'm glad to hear Bowe likes what he's seeing so far, i still have hope for a solid offense.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by scott free

While i agree in principle with almost everything, its worth asking... what exactly does Reid see that we dont, that makes him think Smith CAN execute a deep passing offense?

There has to be some metric we're not seeing if Reid isnt planning to drastically alter his offense.

Either way, i'm glad to hear Bowe likes what he's seeing so far, i still have hope for a solid offense.

Whatever he sees falls into the "potential" category because it hasn't been demonstrated on the field. This is a fact. Potential requires development. We will go into the season with a 29 year old project. The best case scenario is that these abilities develop. People that aren't thrilled have reason to have that attitude.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by cdcox

People that aren't thrilled have reason to have that attitude.

I definitely believe Smith is an upgrade over what we've had the last decade, but i wouldnt argue that point at all, i wasnt thrilled either, at all.

He isnt a sexy choice by any means, and has many of the same earmarks as past failures... i just hope he proves cerebral enough to overcome the physical limitations, like say, a Drew Brees who doesnt have a cannon but throws deep very well because of anticipation, timing and ability to read defenses.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by scott free

I definitely believe Smith is an upgrade over what we've had the last decade, but i wouldnt argue that point at all, i wasnt thrilled either, at all.

He isnt a sexy choice by any means, and has many of the same earmarks as past failures... i just hope he proves cerebral enough to overcome the physical limitations, like say, a Drew Brees who doesnt have a cannon but throws deep very well because of anticipation, timing and ability to read defenses.

Smith isn't better than Trent Green.

Brees was a very good QB when the Chargers released him. The problem was the shoulder injury. That caused enough doubts to prevent them from being able to get the trade value. The Saints rolled the dice on the health of his shoulder and it paid off. But Brees was a very good QB his last two years in SD, his fourth and fifth seasons in the league. Smith has completed 7 years and leaving Brees' injury aside, isn't nearly the QB that Brees was when he went to the Saints. The situations are quite different.