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Old 07-15-2009, 11:56 AM  
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Old 07-15-2009, 12:52 PM   #46
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Weird... are you suggesting that I don't know what I'm talking about?

I'm merely throwing out a few examples of how stats have been used around here. I get the notion that you have to see the player perform within the team to get to the real meat of the debate, but as you know... not everyone participating in the debates communicated their opinion rationally.
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Old 07-15-2009, 12:56 PM   #47
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What kind of lineups do you like?
I've become a fan of the dynasty league with salary/contract caps for each team. I'm starting one up with friends this year, the initial draft will be 27 rounds... heavy on IDP and the scoring is pretty complex.

Rosters have to include flex on both sides and the IDP scoring has to be good enough to where you don't view your IDP like many view your Kicker. The contract aspect of it in dynasty really makes you THINK about who you are drafting, picking up. There are penalties for dropping players under contract, etc...

It's definitely not for everyone.

I like having scoring for just about everything available on both sides of the ball... I like the QB/RB/WR/WR/TE with 2 flex spots that could be RB/WR/TE along with the K and then another 6 IDP spots, including 1-2 flex.

I'm a sicko though...
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Old 07-15-2009, 12:58 PM   #48
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I've become a fan of the dynasty league with salary/contract caps for each team. I'm starting one up with friends this year, the initial draft will be 27 rounds... heavy on IDP and the scoring is pretty complex.

Rosters have to include flex on both sides and the IDP scoring has to be good enough to where you don't view your IDP like many view your Kicker. The contract aspect of it in dynasty really makes you THINK about who you are drafting, picking up. There are penalties for dropping players under contract, etc...

It's definitely not for everyone.

I like having scoring for just about everything available on both sides of the ball... I like the QB/RB/WR/WR/TE with 2 flex spots that could be RB/WR/TE along with the K and then another 6 IDP spots, including 1-2 flex.

I'm a sicko though...
Damn that is to intense for my league... Crap some of my uncles can barely use a computer...

We keep it basic but fun for everyone...
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Old 07-15-2009, 12:59 PM   #49
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I came in to post about Philip Rivers and a Fantasy Football league broke out.
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Here is the scoring for the league I run....

Offense League Value
Passing Yards 25 yards per point
Passing Touchdowns 6
Interceptions -2
Sacks -1
Rushing Yards 10 yards per point
Rushing Touchdowns 6
Reception Yards 15 yards per point
Reception Touchdowns 6
Return Yards 10 yards per point
Return Touchdowns 6
2-Point Conversions 4
Fumbles -1
Fumbles Lost -2
Offensive Fumble Return TD 6

Kickers League
Field Goals 0-19 Yards 2
Field Goals 20-29 Yards 3
Field Goals 30-39 Yards 4
Field Goals 40-49 Yards 5
Field Goals 50+ Yards 6
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 40-49 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 50+ Yards -1
Point After Attempt Made 1
Point After Attempt Missed -1

Defense/Special Teams
Sack 2
Interception 4
Fumble Recovery 3
Touchdown 6
Safety 5
Block Kick 3
Points Allowed 0 points 14
Points Allowed 1-6 points 10
Points Allowed 7-13 points 7
Points Allowed 14-20 points 3
Points Allowed 21-27 points 0
Points Allowed 28-34 points -1
Points Allowed 35+ points -4
Damn that's a high scoring league. 1 point per 10 yards? That's too low for me. In the league I run we have it as 25 yard for a point. 50 passing yards per point. That kinds of makes having a good rb more or less equal to having a good qb.

I don't like leagues where the guy with the 2 best rbs is the winner damn near 100%. Hate when the first 15 picks are running backs.

Hell, my 1st pick this year was tom brady.
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Old 07-15-2009, 01:24 PM   #51
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Rivers would suck if it were not for Randy Moss

I would take rivers any day minus his attitude.
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Damn that's a high scoring league. 1 point per 10 yards? That's too low for me. In the league I run we have it as 25 yard for a point. 50 passing yards per point. That kinds of makes having a good rb more or less equal to having a good qb.

I don't like leagues where the guy with the 2 best rbs is the winner damn near 100%. Hate when the first 15 picks are running backs.

Hell, my 1st pick this year was tom brady.
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Actually the scores werent arent that high each week. There were several items that forced us to adjust our league points and scores..

Problem arose a few years ago when Pittsburg had Bettis as a short down back. Well Parker would get all the yards and the work load, while Bettis was scoring all the tds... Same with Carolina and Delhomme. He would feed the ball down the feild to his backs and end up with 135 yards passing and 3 TD's which was a higher score than someone that put up 400 yards and 1 TD...

Just tried to even the league out and make the players more valuable.
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Old 07-15-2009, 02:27 PM   #53
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Weird... are you suggesting that I don't know what I'm talking about?

I'm merely throwing out a few examples of how stats have been used around here. I get the notion that you have to see the player perform within the team to get to the real meat of the debate, but as you know... not everyone participating in the debates communicated their opinion rationally.
No.

Just stating the obvious.
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Coming from the guy who thinks Favre is the greatest QB ever.
soon as Rivers holds EVERY record then I will give him some props. Half his passes are dump offs to LT , not to mention Gates catches tons of his wobblers. He is a system QB and has had great protection and a incredible running game to keep the D off him.

He is one step up from Leaf talent wise-but just as big of a pussy.
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Rivers has a better playoff record than the Chiefs do as a franchise in the last 25 years...
Yep it is ALL Rivers-SD did not have a nasty D? Oh and one of the best RB's of All time??

I don't recall Cry me a Rivers putting the whole team on his shoulders and willing them to win, but I DO recall all the finger pointing after they lost.
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soon as Rivers holds EVERY record then I will give him some props. Half his passes are dump offs to LT , not to mention Gates catches tons of his wobblers. He is a system QB and has had great protection and a incredible running game to keep the D off him.

He is one step up from Leaf talent wise-but just as big of a pussy.
This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Ryan Leaf was far more physically gifted than Rivers.

On talent alone, he was the prototypical QB.

But a QB requires more than the physical gifts to compete and excel in the NFL, and Rivers is better by leaps and bounds over that POS Leaf.

All you see from Favre is these big numbers and that gun and you think he's the best ever.

But I see a guy that didn't think, he just figured his physical talent was enough to make things work, and he constantly and consistently put his defense in bad situations and cost that Packer team more games than he won with clutch performance.

There are a bunch of QBs I'd rather have over Favre.

Favre is and always has been a moron on the field.
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soon as Rivers holds EVERY record then I will give him some props. Half his passes are dump offs to LT , not to mention Gates catches tons of his wobblers. He is a system QB and has had great protection and a incredible running game to keep the D off him.

He is one step up from Leaf talent wise-but just as big of a pussy.
Here are some other System QBs: Joe Montana, Steve Young, Tom Brady

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Yep it is ALL Rivers-SD did not have a nasty D? Oh and one of the best RB's of All time??

I don't recall Cry me a Rivers putting the whole team on his shoulders and willing them to win, but I DO recall all the finger pointing after they lost.
When did he point fingers, and at whom?
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Milkman... just point to this man when trying to define the total package at QB. None of them are perfect and he had some issues along the way... and some may not like the way he made his way to Denver.

But, he had the tools, the talent, the mindset, the heart and the determination to lead others ... it's hard to judge QBs from different eras, but for me Elway was the definition of greatness. There are 2-4 QBs that you could stake claim to that title and they all have their merits, but I'll take this one.

Yep, I'm making an unexpected left turn in this thread... enjoy.





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When did he point fingers, and at whom?
Don't pay any attention to him Buck.

It suck to live life as clueless as he is.
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