Someone review Tyson Jackson and rest of Dline.

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Via Kent Babb twitter

Todd Haley said today that there's a chance Wallace Gilberry could become a starting DE. Well ... that isn't good news for Dorsey or Jackson 19 minutes ago via web


# I wld guess Jax based on his poor camp, but it'd be odd to have two undersized DEs in the 3-4 @captainmcinnis: Who loses job, Dorsey or Jax? 12 minutes ago via web

I would be very surprized to see Dorsey lose his job. The guy is getting better. TJ would be the guy, IMO

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Via Kent Babb twitter

Todd Haley said today that there's a chance Wallace Gilberry could become a starting DE. Well ... that isn't good news for Dorsey or Jackson 19 minutes ago via web


# I wld guess Jax based on his poor camp, but it'd be odd to have two undersized DEs in the 3-4 @captainmcinnis: Who loses job, Dorsey or Jax? 12 minutes ago via web

I have a feeling this is a lot more of the same game they played with Cassel and Bowe last year. I would think they'll give Jackson every chance to succeed, even if that means not giving the guy in the back of the line a fair chance at starting.

I also think if we're building long-term, there's no incentive to go w/Gilberry. Maybe he's a better starter now, but he has a lot less upside than Jackson. Gilberry's a good guy for nickel situations, but I just don't see him being big or strong enough to be an every-down guy.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Via Kent Babb twitter

Todd Haley said today that there's a chance Wallace Gilberry could become a starting DE. Well ... that isn't good news for Dorsey or Jackson 19 minutes ago via web


# I wld guess Jax based on his poor camp, but it'd be odd to have two undersized DEs in the 3-4 @captainmcinnis: Who loses job, Dorsey or Jax? 12 minutes ago via web

good news that we're willing to play the better performing player


bad news that Gilberry is better than one of our top 5 picks

[Coach]

Question. Am watching the Arizona/Nashville game. Is that the same Chris Babin that used to play for the Chiefs awhile back?
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[BossChief]

Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

Seymour made 0 impact his 1st year.

yeah, starting on a superbowl winning defenses surely shouldnt count as making an impact.

Originally Posted by Coach

Question. Am watching the Arizona/Nashville game. Is that the same Chris Babin that used to play for the Chiefs awhile back?
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who is this Chris Babin you speak of?

(yes)

[DaneMcCloud]

Seriously, for the life of me, I can't figure out why the Chiefs aren't running Dorsey at NT like Jay Ratliff in Dallas with Jackson, Dorsey and Gilberry as starters.

Rotate Magee and Smith at DE with either Lokey/Edwards at the nose.

Penetrate and attack.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Seriously, for the life of me, I can't figure out why the Chiefs aren't running Dorsey at NT like Jay Ratliff in Dallas with Jackson, Dorsey and Gilberry as starters.

Rotate Magee and Smith at DE with either Lokey/Edwards at the nose.

Penetrate and attack.

Because the Chiefs don't run the aggressive Dallas type of 3-4, we run a 3-4 that is essentially the cover 2 of 3-4.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Because the Chiefs don't run the aggressive Dallas type of 3-4, we run a 3-4 that is essentially the cover 2 of 3-4.

Right.

But with the potential of this secondary, the Dallas 3-4 would be far more suitable for the current personnel.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Right.

But with the potential of this secondary, the Dallas 3-4 would be far more suitable for the current personnel.

I agree 100%

In fact, I think I started that talk back when it was still a possibility of Wade Phillips being one and done (in the playoffs) in Dallas and not retained. Opening the door for us to pursue him as our DC and bring in his scheme.

Its a shame that we will continue to play players out of position in this day and age just to try and make the scheme fit.

Dorsey could be a league DMVP type player if he played in that 1 gap 3-4 IMHO.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Dorsey could be a league DMVP type player if he played in that 1 gap 3-4 IMHO.

This. Mother ****ing THIS.


Why do they continuously play the defense to their weaknesses instead of their strengths?



I see Warren Sapp like potential in Dorsey if he is used like Sapp was.


Disgusting.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Right.

But with the potential of this secondary, the Dallas 3-4 would be far more suitable for the current personnel.

It's something we've been trying to figure out for months now.

BossChief and I have talked about it a couple of times in the last year.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by milkman

It's something we've been trying to figure out for months now.

BossChief and I have talked about it a couple of times in the last year.

Yeah, I've mentioned it several times in the past year as well.

It just doesn't make any sense. I guess these guys are just too set in their ways but how can you look at Dallas game film and not think "Wow, Dorsey and Gilberry would be totally bad ass in that scheme?".

It's bizarre.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Mecca

we run a 3-4 that is essentially the cover 2 of 3-4.

Shoot me in the ****ing head, please.



Pressure through confusing blitzes and penetration while having the D-Backs jump routes is the only way to go in today's NFL.

[CrazyHorse]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Because the Chiefs don't run the aggressive Dallas type of 3-4, we run a 3-4 that is essentially the cover 2 of 3-4.

I thought we were very aggressive against Tampa. Especially for it being preseason. Maybe I saw something that wasnt there.

How do you know the Chiefs are going to run a "cover 2" version of a 3-4 defense anyway? We're 2 games into the preseason with a new D coordinator that doesn't have a reputation running the defense your trying to describe.

Im not trying to be a prick or anything. But you come across as someone who get's no enjoyment out of football what so ever. Like you somehow have something to lose. It's supposed to be fun. Why choose to torture yourself? Or am I wrong about my perception on that?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Seriously, for the life of me, I can't figure out why the Chiefs aren't running Dorsey at NT like Jay Ratliff in Dallas with Jackson, Dorsey and Gilberry as starters.

Rotate Magee and Smith at DE with either Lokey/Edwards at the nose.

Penetrate and attack.

Dane, it's pretty unfortunately actually. As I've said before (being the only Herm supporter on the board), I think this defense could have been really, really badass if they stuck to the 4-3. Especially if you consider that they could have drafted Orakpo. Can you imagine a D-line w/Hali-Dorsey-Tank-Orakpo, with Flowers, Carr, Pollard, and Page in the secondary? They'd be a few pieces away from being a top defense (don't even get me started on if Jared Allen was still here, rushing in front of FLowers/Carr... woof).

So if I had my pick, I wish Pioli would have stuck w/the 4-3. And now that he came in, I have a bad feeling the 2-gap 3-4 is a bit outdated and I especially worry that we're force-fitting into the scheme. I think Romeo is as good of a 2-gap DC as you'll find, but it doesn't change the fact that it probably shouldn't have been run in the first place. I also wonder if drafting Tyson Jackson almost tied the team to the 2-gap.

Oh well, it is what it is. I hope they can make it work and make it work quick. Unfortunately, you're absolutely right that it could have worked much better if they did some major things very differently.