1 gap 3-4; how do you think it will shake out?

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I don't think there is any way Bailey can play full time anywhere at this point.

He is just sooooo sloooooooow off the line. You could use him as a situational interior lineman in your nickle packages, but that's about it.

He's as bad as anyone I've ever seen at getting off the ball. That's what keeps Poe from being great as well, but he's still a hell of a lot better at it than Bailey is.

tha **** are you talking about? Bailey played 34RDE in a 2 gap against LT's you idiot. He's small/short for the position if anything. Had poor hand technique, yadayada.

And Poe is plenty quick off the ball -- he was playing 2 gap techniques as well, so he did not look real good this year, but slow off the ball he was not.

Dorsey is slow, but quick off the ball. so what. he's got nothing for the NFL. But at least he was given 5 ****ing seasons to improve.

Poe needs time, he's lacking technique -- that was his MO coming up. Had nothing to do with his ability to get off the ball.


You know what, you're an asshole for even tossing these guys out after 1 & 2 seasons. You know damn well DL players require 3 or more seasons to develop.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

tha **** are you talking about? Bailey played 34RDE in a 2 gap against LT's you idiot. He's small/short for the position if anything. Had poor hand technique, yadayada.

Actually, he didn't.

Most of his snaps came in sub packages as a pass rusher.

And he was ****ing horrible.

He's a guy who's built like a tank with some straight line speed (4.75ish if I recall). That's it.

He's probably not even an NFL player. Should get into pro wrestling.

[RunKC]

Star Lotulelei?!?!

Yes let's draft another DL who can't get much pressure on the QB, and at 1st overall no less!!!!!

JFC

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Actually, he didn't.

Most of his snaps came in sub packages as a pass rusher.

And he was ****ing horrible.

He's a guy who's built like a tank with some straight line speed (4.75ish if I recall). That's it.

He's probably not even an NFL player. Should get into pro wrestling.

He was lined up on the LT even during subs, wendler. he disappointed, yes. But I am not going to say he has peaked or isn't going to stick in the NFL. Hell, I don't even know why we are so stuck on the guy, other than to give him another go or not. This defense is lacking DL. He'll likely get another op, at least a look during TC etc. No idea if he sticks, but his initial step isn't the problem, he simply needs to learn how to play the game/his position at this level as most players do.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

tha **** are you talking about? Bailey played 34RDE in a 2 gap against LT's you idiot. He actually typically played LDE against RTs and the 3tech in our subs which we ran extensively.

And Poe is plenty quick off the ball -- he was playing 2 gap techniques as well, so he did not look real good this year, but slow off the ball he was not.He didn't play 2-gap in our sub packages which we played in quite a bit.

Dorsey is slow, but quick off the ball. so what. he's got nothing for the NFL. But at least he was given 5 ****ing seasons to improve.

Poe needs time, he's lacking technique -- that was his MO coming up. Had nothing to do with his ability to get off the ball.


You know what, you're an asshole for even tossing these guys out after 1 & 2 seasons. You know damn well DL players require 3 or more seasons to develop.

As to the last point, that simply isn't true anymore. Guys drafted in the first two rounds are typically expected to produce and at the very least, flash occasionally. Try telling your development theory to Watt, Wilkerson, Suh (who is overrated), McCoy.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by Sorter

As to the last point, that simply isn't true anymore. Guys drafted in the first two rounds are typically expected to produce and at the very least, flash occasionally. Try telling your development theory to Watt, Wilkerson, Suh (who is overrated), McCoy.

all exceptions to the rule and you aren't considering the player's draft position/rating etc.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Buzz_TinBalls

tha **** are you talking about? Bailey played 34RDE in a 2 gap against LT's you idiot. He's small/short for the position if anything. Had poor hand technique, yadayada.

And Poe is plenty quick off the ball -- he was playing 2 gap techniques as well, so he did not look real good this year, but slow off the ball he was not.

Dorsey is slow, but quick off the ball. so what. he's got nothing for the NFL. But at least he was given 5 ****ing seasons to improve.

Poe needs time, he's lacking technique -- that was his MO coming up. Had nothing to do with his ability to get off the ball.


You know what, you're an asshole for even tossing these guys out after 1 & 2 seasons. You know damn well DL players require 3 or more seasons to develop.

What does the fact that he played the 5-tech against LTs really poorly have to do with anything I just said?

He got abused off the line while doing it. He sucks ass at getting off the ball, that's why he was garbage as a 5-tech.

And yes, Poe was slow off the ball. He has a tendency to lose his leverage and 'fall' into defenders rather than explode into them. It's not like he's missing the snap count, he just utilizes poor technique off the snap. I'm by no means giving up on him and in fact expect very good things out of him in the future. The fact remains that he has work to do in this regard.

As to Dorsey...well you're just wrong. Dorsey's not amazing, but he's a starter in this league and will start for someone next year. Allen Bailey will never have the NFL career that Dorsey has had precisely because he doesn't get off the ball.

You just keep exposing your idiocy here. Though I do love that you begin and end each display with some sort of juvenile blather.

By all means, keep it up.

[O.city]

I, like DJ, just don't know if the guy has the speed.


These guys have been told for four years about being slow anchors.

[mcaj22]

make Bailey a backup LBer?

is that what you just said? lol.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

make Bailey a backup LBer?

is that what you just said? lol.

It was hyperbole.

My point being that his straight line speed isn't usable. He can't get off the ball and into space at all to put it to any practical football effect.

He's a freakish athlete with a glaring hole that prevents him from being a good football player.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It was hyperbole.

My point being that his straight line speed isn't usable. He can't get off the ball and into space at all to put it to any practical football effect.

He's a freakish athlete with a glaring hole that prevents him from being a good football player.

you can have all the strength and speed in the world, and still suck

see: Vernon Gholston, Aaron Maybin, etc.

[O.city]

Thinking mcaj22's new name should be lol. Dude gets alot of laughs around here.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by O.city

Thinking mcaj22's new name should be lol. Dude gets alot of laughs around here.

well when people say turn a DT into a back up Will LBer. What else is there to do but laugh

[saphojunkie]

From what I can tell, though, Rex Ryan's system isn't a 1-gap. It is the hybrid 46 that still has the NT playing a zero technique.

Am I way off base, here?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

From what I can tell, though, Rex Ryan's system isn't a 1-gap. It is the hybrid 46 that still has the NT playing a zero technique.

Am I way off base, here?

Sutton wasn't the defensive coordinator under Ryan. He was the DC under Mangini.

Of course, he was also on Herm's staff.