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Old 01-29-2013, 11:04 PM   #1
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Again, I see you don't have 100 posts, so you probably weren't here when it was discussed, but when Cassel became the starter, the Pats completely changed their offensive system.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:06 PM   #2
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Again, I see you don't have 100 posts, so you probably weren't here when it was discussed, but when Cassel became the starter, the Pats completely changed their offensive system.
No i haven't seen anything but i'm sure they did tweak their system to fit cassel more than brady, which IMO is another example that the system greatly aids the QB's accuracy
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:04 PM   #3
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I think Barkleys problem was that he relied on that freak of nature WR too much and teams picked up on that. He has said as much a few times.

I think Stafford had the same problem with CJ this year.

Sometimes, it can be a curse to have a receiver that is that good.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:05 PM   #4
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im fine with Genos weaknesses because his strengths outwiegh them.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:05 PM   #5
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Well i don't see it as comparing by saying he has that kind of ceiling but you guys do. I just think he could be a smart Football player that could get his team into the best situation to win, I think he's got a stronger arm then most but he leans to much on touch passes and trying to float them in there.

I don't think coming out of college he's going to be GOAT, but hell lets be real ANY qb could come out and be the next GOAT it just depends on the skillset and if the kid wants it bad enough. I personally think barkley's skillset is very high. He's the most polished he just needs to grow mentally with the game.
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Aiding the QB's accuracy doesnt equal making a QB more accurate. They tweaked their system because Cassel wasn't as accurate as Brady, coudn't read defenses as well, and was assfart at pushing it down the field.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:54 PM   #7
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Aiding the QB's accuracy doesnt equal making a QB more accurate. They tweaked their system because Cassel wasn't as accurate as Brady, coudn't read defenses as well, and was assfart at pushing it down the field.
That's what I don't get about our f/o and this draft.

Reid runs an offense that throws the ball like crazy and really depends on the QB being accurate. Trying to play like this with some cheese-puff you pull off the shelf in fa/4th round isn't going to work.

Us not taking a QB early just seems counter productive to me...
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:53 AM   #8
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That's what I don't get about our f/o and this draft.

Reid runs an offense that throws the ball like crazy and really depends on the QB being accurate. Trying to play like this with some cheese-puff you pull off the shelf in fa/4th round isn't going to work.

Us not taking a QB early just seems counter productive to me...
It is counterproductive.

Which is precisely why we'll take a QB #1 overall.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:09 PM   #9
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Geno Smith has adequate arm strength. To me, it is a pass/fail event. Can he put it on enough of a rope to fit it into tight windows before the defense can react on a 10-15 yard route? PASS. I have seen it several times this year.

Barkley? Not so readily. Barkley is someone who could make throwing at the combine pay dividends if he can demonstrate some tangible velocity.

Geno's accuracy and precision is deadly and to all levels of the field. That is what I want. All the big-armed guys get totally overblown, because so many of them end up being gunslingers.
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Geno Smith has adequate arm strength. To me, it is a pass/fail event. Can he put it on enough of a rope to fit it into tight windows before the defense can react on a 10-15 yard route? PASS. I have seen it several times this year.

Barkley? Not so readily. Barkley is someone who could make throwing at the combine pay dividends if he can demonstrate some tangible velocity.

Geno's accuracy and precision is deadly and to all levels of the field. That is what I want. All the big-armed guys get totally overblown, because so many of them end up being gunslingers.
good post. i can agree with that.

again o.city it's my opinion i'm not using it to compare, sorry if you took it that way i'm just using it as similarities of what i've seen as far as mental makeup. I think any QB could be the next GOAT if they have the skillset and the drive.. Hell it could be geno, it could be ****ing tyler bray. I just haven't seen enough of either of them to say what my thoughts on ceiling would be
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If you are saying a guys ceiling is the greatest QB of all time, you're wrong.
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Old 01-29-2013, 11:16 PM   #12
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ok guess i should have worded better, I agree with dj that it can mask it and bring the #'s up and can be serviceable. I'm not saying brady or peyton are not naturally accurate i'm just saying their systems allowed them to be in the considerations for GOAT, if you would have changed that they would still be damn good QB's and accurate but don't know about the elite status that they have reached would be gained in a different system
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ok guess i should have worded better, I agree with dj that it can mask it and bring the #'s up and can be serviceable. I'm not saying brady or peyton are not naturally accurate i'm just saying their systems allowed them to be in the considerations for GOAT, if you would have changed that they would still be damn good QB's and accurate but don't know about the elite status that they have reached would be gained in a different system
I can agree with you on Brady, but Manning would have been an elite QB in any system in his younger days. He could put the football anywhere on the field on target. Laser or touch pass, he could do it. His arm is half gone, so now I think he is limited more to a short passing game for 90% of his throws.
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I know some guys like Cutler have a cannon, but he's a perfect example of relying on that physical gift and it results in sloppy plays and turnovers.

Then take Peyton - who has a WAY less on any ball he has ever tossed. Heck, I was talking with him one day and he even admitted his arm strength was below average, and said that Eli without a doubt possessed way more of the natural throwing talent. It also meant that as he grew up playing he keyed in on his touch and accuracy as well as being forced to go thru his progressions as he wasn't so brash about his ability to sling it into really tight windows which often are really just try to force the ball in and not the smart read or play.

What I didn't know was just what a howitzer that Kaepernick does have! JESUS, MARY, & JOSEPH!! Here's a video posted on YouTube of him firing a couple passes, with one distancing itself at 264 yards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gtv...e_gdata_player

* note the throw is from an elevated position but I have no clue how to adjust what the throw would be if on a level playing field. I have to imagine it still means he can essentially get the ball from end zone to ends one if needed.
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