Passthespaghetti:on Hall trade

Wile_E_Coyote · 04-09-2005, 12:59 PM

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There's an old baseball adage that contends the best trades are those that benefit both teams. That holds true in football, of course, as well. And so, at least on paper, the deal this week that sent Tennessee defensive end Carlos Hall to Kansas City for a fifth-round pick in the 2005 draft appears to be a win-win situation. A restricted free agent, Hall had worn out his welcome with the Titans, who made him the low-level qualifying offer back in March to retain a right of first refusal. Tennessee coaches felt that Hall, who posted eight sacks as a rookie in 2002, while filling in for the injured Jevon Kearse, drew too many penalties and was undisciplined. And he had collected just 5 ½ sacks (and more personal foul flags than that) in the past two seasons.

But the Chiefs, who need young pass rushers, saw an opportunity to land a guy with upfield skills, and at a reasonable price. There is a chance that Hall, who will compete with second-year veteran Jared Allen for the starting job at right end, will be nothing more than a situational pass-rusher. But even in that role, if the Kansas City staff gets him turned around and playing with the kind of fervor and quickness he demonstrated as a rookie, a fifth-round choice might be a small price to pay. Kansas City defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham, who was the linebackers coach in Tennessee for part of Hall's tenure with the Titans, is familiar with the youngster and knows what buttons to push.

The Titans, who would have received only a seventh-round pick for Hall had they allowed the Chiefs to sign him to an offer sheet and then declined to match it, instead will get a selection two rounds higher. With the rebuilding job they face, general manager Floyd Reese and coach Jeff Fisher need a lot of additional draft choices. Dumping the enigmatic Hall also clears the way for the Titans to accelerate the curve for young ends like Travis LaBoy, Antwan Odom and Bo Schobel, all chosen in the 2004 draft.

Frankie · 04-09-2005, 01:05 PM

"Situational pass rusher" huh. Then why did we let R-Kal Truluck go and what did we get for him from the Packers?

ClearmontChief · 04-09-2005, 01:12 PM

We got a 5th and a 6th for Truluck. We gave up a 5th for Hall. So, we get a player that's equal or better than Truluck, and an additional 6th this season. Worth it, I'd say.

Wile_E_Coyote · 04-09-2005, 01:16 PM

2004-Gun gets his job back
2005-Gun gets his players
2006-Gun gets his coaches

Mr. Laz · 04-09-2005, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

2004-Gun gets his job back
2005-Gun gets his players
2006-Gun gets his coaches

and by the time all that happens the offense with be fossilized and our SB window slammed shut.

dtrain · 04-09-2005, 01:34 PM

Why would they bring him in to compete with Jared Allen? I think they should be looking at the other end of the D line.

nascher · 04-09-2005, 01:48 PM

Truluck is 30 years old
Carlos is 25 years old another big difference !!!

Valiant · 04-09-2005, 01:53 PM

yeah bring the guy in to compete with our only competant defensive player.. not the one that talks shit and never backs it up.. man i hate hicks more and more... all they do is give his one year wonder ass credit and confidence for three years of shit...

Sure-Oz · 04-09-2005, 01:57 PM

Truluck has a huge forehead too, weighed him down as a passrusher!

Eleazar · 04-09-2005, 02:08 PM

I liked truluck when he was here, those couple years it seemed like he was the only one on the roster with a clue about how to get upfield and who played like he wanted to b eon the field. Seems like he's gone and we have two of him now with Hall and Allen, and a 6th rounder in addition so

Thig Lyfe · 04-09-2005, 02:29 PM

No way Allen loses his job. I'd like to see Hall unseat Hicks, though.

Frankie · 04-09-2005, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadWolf

No way Allen loses his job. I'd like to see Hall unseat Hicks, though.

I've seen one year wonders before. In fact Hicks is one. I hope Allen ain't.

Mr. Laz · 04-09-2005, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ArrowheadWolf

No way Allen loses his job. I'd like to see Hall unseat Hicks, though.

and how good is our run defense gonna be with 260+lb defensive ends on both sides?

nascher · 04-09-2005, 02:53 PM

Competition dosen't hurt !

FloridaMan88 · 04-09-2005, 02:55 PM

Hopefully Gunther will know which buttons to push with this guy, but a friend of mine who is a Titans fan describes Hall as a guy who will have one good game then vanish for multiple games at a time, and who has been injury-prone in his brief career.... sounds a lot like Vonnie Holliday to me.

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Wile_E_Coyote avatar down for remodel Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Passthespaghetti:on Hall trade pasquarelli tip sheet http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...=2032581&num=0 There's an old baseball adage that contends the best trades are those that benefit both teams. That holds true in football, of course, as well. And so, at least on paper, the deal this week that sent Tennessee defensive end Carlos Hall to Kansas City for a fifth-round pick in the 2005 draft appears to be a win-win situation. A restricted free agent, Hall had worn out his welcome with the Titans, who made him the low-level qualifying offer back in March to retain a right of first refusal. Tennessee coaches felt that Hall, who posted eight sacks as a rookie in 2002, while filling in for the injured Jevon Kearse, drew too many penalties and was undisciplined. And he had collected just 5 ½ sacks (and more personal foul flags than that) in the past two seasons. But the Chiefs, who need young pass rushers, saw an opportunity to land a guy with upfield skills, and at a reasonable price. There is a chance that Hall, who will compete with second-year veteran Jared Allen for the starting job at right end, will be nothing more than a situational pass-rusher. But even in that role, if the Kansas City staff gets him turned around and playing with the kind of fervor and quickness he demonstrated as a rookie, a fifth-round choice might be a small price to pay. Kansas City defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham, who was the linebackers coach in Tennessee for part of Hall's tenure with the Titans, is familiar with the youngster and knows what buttons to push. The Titans, who would have received only a seventh-round pick for Hall had they allowed the Chiefs to sign him to an offer sheet and then declined to match it, instead will get a selection two rounds higher. With the rebuilding job they face, general manager Floyd Reese and coach Jeff Fisher need a lot of additional draft choices. Dumping the enigmatic Hall also clears the way for the Titans to accelerate the curve for young ends like Travis LaBoy, Antwan Odom and Bo Schobel, all chosen in the 2004 draft.
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04-09-2005, 01:05 PM	#2
Frankie Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	"Situational pass rusher" huh. Then why did we let R-Kal Truluck go and what did we get for him from the Packers?
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04-09-2005, 01:12 PM	#3
ClearmontChief Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Glenwood, Iowa Casino cash: $9934930	We got a 5th and a 6th for Truluck. We gave up a 5th for Hall. So, we get a player that's equal or better than Truluck, and an additional 6th this season. Worth it, I'd say.
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Wile_E_Coyote avatar down for remodel Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	2004-Gun gets his job back 2005-Gun gets his players 2006-Gun gets his coaches
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04-09-2005, 01:34 PM	#6
dtrain Who's your daddy? Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Junction City Casino cash: $2003306	Why would they bring him in to compete with Jared Allen? I think they should be looking at the other end of the D line. __________________ To bad more of the team doesn't have this mentality!!!
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nascher Veteran Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Hamburg Germany Casino cash: $9994980	Truluck is 30 years old Carlos is 25 years old another big difference !!!
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Valiant Valiant 'The Thread Killer' Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $6352380	yeah bring the guy in to compete with our only competant defensive player.. not the one that talks shit and never backs it up.. man i hate hicks more and more... all they do is give his one year wonder ass credit and confidence for three years of shit...
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Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	I liked truluck when he was here, those couple years it seemed like he was the only one on the roster with a clue about how to get upfield and who played like he wanted to b eon the field. Seems like he's gone and we have two of him now with Hall and Allen, and a 6th rounder in addition so
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04-09-2005, 02:29 PM	#11
Thig Lyfe Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Thigpen's America Casino cash: $10004900	No way Allen loses his job. I'd like to see Hall unseat Hicks, though.
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04-09-2005, 02:53 PM	#14
nascher Veteran Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Hamburg Germany Casino cash: $9994980	Competition dosen't hurt !
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04-09-2005, 02:55 PM	#15
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $3082906	Hopefully Gunther will know which buttons to push with this guy, but a friend of mine who is a Titans fan describes Hall as a guy who will have one good game then vanish for multiple games at a time, and who has been injury-prone in his brief career.... sounds a lot like Vonnie Holliday to me.
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