Emptying the Top Drawer of My Mind On Star Wars

Amnorix · 08:21 AM

What good is it to be able to see into the future, Yoda, if you can’t see your own Temple being assaulted by one of your own members, resulting in the annihilation of even the children that have been entrusted to your care?

I think Yoda is my favorite character of the entire series of movies. That said, ultimately the successful usurpation of power by the Emperor rests more on Yoda’s shoulders than anyone else, in terms of where to place the blame.

So Darth Vader has definitely taken a bit of a step down in my mind as one of the all time baddest (i.e. coolest / toughest) bad guys. His childhood nickname, retained until early adulthood, sounds just like “Annie”. The only tough Jedi he ever fought and beat, in his entire career, was Count Dooku, who was pretty damn old, and Obi-Wan Kenobi, who when the two of them were relatively young, had left him a broken quadriplegic scraping futilely at the dirt and hurling epithets. Vader won the rematch against Obi-Wan, of course, who was by then waaaay past his prime as well. As for Luke, he defeated him when he was in the infancy of his Jedi training, and then LOST to him after a very short amount of Jedi training compared to most. Chosen one with the most Mitochloriants ever -- pfeh!

So how does Darth Vader scratch his nose when he’s out in public? Hope the force allows him to do it somehow, or else his life is really, really gonna suck.

Master Windu – waaay cool.

Mitochloriants (sp?) – worst idea EVAH!

After seeing Anakin kill the younglings, I just can’t see how Yoda and Obi-Wan can nod in greeting to him at the end of Return of the Jedi when they’re all “back from the dead” so to speak. I don’t think that’s something they’d ever get over, even if he did finally betray the Emperor.

Yoda – the only Jedi or Sith to die of old age. Life insurance premiums for those who can manipulate the force must really suck.

Sooner or later, movies 7, 8 and 9 get made. No clue what the plot will be, or when it will be, but any more than will make a half a billion dollars, guaranteed, plus merchandising tie-ins, etc., WILL get made. Hollywood, like any business, responds to the almighty dollar, and it will ultimately be irresistable.

God forbid that George Lucas direct any of it, however.

jynni · 05-23-2005, 08:34 AM

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What good is it to be able to see into the future, Yoda, if you can’t see your own Temple being assaulted by one of your own members, resulting in the annihilation of even the children that have been entrusted to your care?

"Difficult to see the future is. Always in motion".

We've seen what happens when Jedi (Skywalkers in particular) have acted on their visions of the future. Anakin goes batsy and inadvertently causes the death of the person he's trying to save. Luke goes balls to the wall into a trap and ends up getting his ass kicked by Vader.

Amnorix · 05-23-2005, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jynni

"Difficult to see the future is. Always in motion".

We've seen what happens when Jedi (Skywalkers in particular) have acted on their visions of the future. Anakin goes batsy and inadvertently causes the death of the person he's trying to save. Luke goes balls to the wall into a trap and ends up getting his ass kicked by Vader.

Yoda says this 100 times, and I understand it. It's not supposed to be any kind of perfect predictor or anything.

But I'm saying that if it doesn't show you THIS, then it is worthless.

Now that I think of it, the only USEFUL thing seeing the future got anybody, was when it led Luke to get his friends out of the situation they were in in ESB. Of course, in that instance Vader was specifically using that knowledge against Luke to try to lure him into a trap. A plan which completely succeeded until Luke got unbelievably lucky by jumping to his death only to fall, miraculously, into a chute.

chagrin · 05-23-2005, 08:51 AM

We've seen what happens when Jedi (Skywalkers in particular) have acted on their visions of the future. Anakin goes batsy and inadvertently causes the death of the person he's trying to save. Luke goes balls to the wall into a trap and ends up getting his ass kicked by Vader.

Well done

siberian khatru · 05-23-2005, 09:02 AM

And don't forget the emperor in V and VI confidently saying over and over how his plan is falling into place just as he foresaw it. Except he failed to foresee Vader picking up his scrawny ass and tossing it down a power shaft.

Stinger · 05-23-2005, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

What good is it to be able to see into the future, Yoda, if you can’t see your own Temple being assaulted by one of your own members, resulting in the annihilation of even the children that have been entrusted to your care?

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

And don't forget the emperor in V and VI confidently saying over and over how his plan is falling into place just as he foresaw it. Except he failed to foresee Vader picking up his scrawny ass and tossing it down a power shaft.

Not to mention Taco John proclaiming Priest has lost his burst, Shanny is a genious, or last season half way through the season his proclimation that Jake is leading the Bronco to the Superbowl.

donkhater · 05-23-2005, 09:46 AM

Well, I saw the movie last night and I thought it was pretty darn good.

I'm a Star Wars fan but not to the extent that I've ever bought any merchandise of any kind. I guess if I was waiting for this movie for 3 years, I'd be a little more critical of it, but I thought it was very good.

In fact, other than the crummy love scenes, I thought the last one was alright as well.

I still don't know what purpose 'The Phantom Menace' served

Calcountry · 05-23-2005, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

After seeing Anakin kill the younglings, I just can’t see how Yoda and Obi-Wan can nod in greeting to him at the end of Return of the Jedi when they’re all “back from the dead” so to speak. I don’t think that’s something they’d ever get over, even if he did finally betray the Emperor

But, he did "return balance to the force" and fullfilled the prophecy of the chosen one.

Calcountry · 05-23-2005, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jynni

"Difficult to see the future is. Always in motion".

We've seen what happens when Jedi (Skywalkers in particular) have acted on their visions of the future. Anakin goes batsy and inadvertently causes the death of the person he's trying to save. Luke goes balls to the wall into a trap and ends up getting his ass kicked by Vader.

I will go so far as to speculate that the visions of the future were implanted there by the Sith to serve their purposes.

Calcountry · 05-23-2005, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

And don't forget the emperor in V and VI confidently saying over and over how his plan is falling into place just as he foresaw it. Except he failed to foresee Vader picking up his scrawny ass and tossing it down a power shaft.

This was a great dissapointment to me from a "poetic justice" standpoint.

The Emperor deserved a much more heinous demise after a lengthy protracted battle, than the one he got.

Taco John · 05-23-2005, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Stinger

Not to mention Taco John proclaiming Priest has lost his burst, Shanny is a genious, or last season half way through the season his proclimation that Jake is leading the Bronco to the Superbowl.

Priest did lose his burst... Also, let's not forget my predictions that merely changing defensive coaces wouldn't improve your defense, and that the Chiefs would be lucky to finish in the top half of the division in 2004.

You win some, you lose some.

Calcountry · 05-23-2005, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by donkhater

Well, I saw the movie last night and I thought it was pretty darn good.

I'm a Star Wars fan but not to the extent that I've ever bought any merchandise of any kind. I guess if I was waiting for this movie for 3 years, I'd be a little more critical of it, but I thought it was very good.

In fact, other than the crummy love scenes, I thought the last one was alright as well.

I still don't know what purpose 'The Phantom Menace' served

Basically, it showed the Emperors ascendency to the Chancelorship and the cloud over the Jedi.

Excellent movie for demonstrating how the Sith operate.

Amnorix · 05-23-2005, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bunnytrdr

But, he did "return balance to the force" and fullfilled the prophecy of the chosen one.

And this would earn him forgiveness from Obi-Wan and Yoda why?

Adept Havelock · 05-23-2005, 10:40 AM

Ummm...because he also destroyed the Sith? No more Master, and the apprentice gave it up. Now there would be only Jedi?

I can't believe I actually just typed that...

Oy.

Calcountry · 05-23-2005, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

And this would earn him forgiveness from Obi-Wan and Yoda why?

Dude, you have to understand religion in order to get it I guess.

To betray his evil master, he repented, and forgiveness was his from a free gift of the mete chlorines, lmao, not from the Condescending Yoda.

05-23-2005, 08:13 AM
Amnorix In BB I trust Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boston, Mass. Casino cash: $10029808	Emptying the Top Drawer of My Mind On Star Wars What good is it to be able to see into the future, Yoda, if you can’t see your own Temple being assaulted by one of your own members, resulting in the annihilation of even the children that have been entrusted to your care? I think Yoda is my favorite character of the entire series of movies. That said, ultimately the successful usurpation of power by the Emperor rests more on Yoda’s shoulders than anyone else, in terms of where to place the blame. So Darth Vader has definitely taken a bit of a step down in my mind as one of the all time baddest (i.e. coolest / toughest) bad guys. His childhood nickname, retained until early adulthood, sounds just like “Annie”. The only tough Jedi he ever fought and beat, in his entire career, was Count Dooku, who was pretty damn old, and Obi-Wan Kenobi, who when the two of them were relatively young, had left him a broken quadriplegic scraping futilely at the dirt and hurling epithets. Vader won the rematch against Obi-Wan, of course, who was by then waaaay past his prime as well. As for Luke, he defeated him when he was in the infancy of his Jedi training, and then LOST to him after a very short amount of Jedi training compared to most. Chosen one with the most Mitochloriants ever -- pfeh! So how does Darth Vader scratch his nose when he’s out in public? Hope the force allows him to do it somehow, or else his life is really, really gonna suck. Master Windu – waaay cool. Mitochloriants (sp?) – worst idea EVAH! After seeing Anakin kill the younglings, I just can’t see how Yoda and Obi-Wan can nod in greeting to him at the end of Return of the Jedi when they’re all “back from the dead” so to speak. I don’t think that’s something they’d ever get over, even if he did finally betray the Emperor. Yoda – the only Jedi or Sith to die of old age. Life insurance premiums for those who can manipulate the force must really suck. Sooner or later, movies 7, 8 and 9 get made. No clue what the plot will be, or when it will be, but any more than will make a half a billion dollars, guaranteed, plus merchandising tie-ins, etc., WILL get made. Hollywood, like any business, responds to the almighty dollar, and it will ultimately be irresistable. God forbid that George Lucas direct any of it, however. Last edited by Amnorix; 05-23-2005 at 08:21 AM..
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05-23-2005, 08:51 AM	#4
chagrin Giggitty! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Missoula, Mt Casino cash: $9874905	We've seen what happens when Jedi (Skywalkers in particular) have acted on their visions of the future. Anakin goes batsy and inadvertently causes the death of the person he's trying to save. Luke goes balls to the wall into a trap and ends up getting his ass kicked by Vader. Well done __________________ Times have changed, so have I, things are better now.
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siberian khatru 21st Century Schizoid Fan Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Gates of Delirium Casino cash: $1074950	And don't forget the emperor in V and VI confidently saying over and over how his plan is falling into place just as he foresaw it. Except he failed to foresee Vader picking up his scrawny ass and tossing it down a power shaft.
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05-23-2005, 09:46 AM	#7
donkhater Brilliant!! Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Indiana, USA Casino cash: $10014051	Well, I saw the movie last night and I thought it was pretty darn good. I'm a Star Wars fan but not to the extent that I've ever bought any merchandise of any kind. I guess if I was waiting for this movie for 3 years, I'd be a little more critical of it, but I thought it was very good. In fact, other than the crummy love scenes, I thought the last one was alright as well. I still don't know what purpose 'The Phantom Menace' served __________________ The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants
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05-23-2005, 10:40 AM	#14
Adept Havelock Obligatory Thoughtcriminal Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Flux,awaiting an observer Casino cash: $10004900	Ummm...because he also destroyed the Sith? No more Master, and the apprentice gave it up. Now there would be only Jedi? I can't believe I actually just typed that... Oy.
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