Sports stadium roundtable on 38 the spot

Eleazar · 02-15-2006, 07:10 PM

Jack Harry, Kevin Keitzman, county sports figures debating the issue.

Kind of interesting so far if you can deal with the personalities clashing.

**BigRedChief** · 02-15-2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Jack Harry, Kevin Keitzman, county sports figures debating the issue.

Kind of interesting so far if you can deal with the personalities clashing.

The black dude owning Kietzman was "Sly". He's got us Chief fans back. KK only cares about downtown baseball.

ChiefsCountry · 02-15-2006, 09:17 PM

Harry and KK would be like watching Dumb and Dumber.

Mark M · 02-15-2006, 09:25 PM

So ... watched the show and here's the short(ish) version for those that missed it:

Harry was his usual bitter self. Dude needs a hug. Also basically cupped what little manhood Kietzman has by stating that KK has the #1 afternoon sports show in KC ... as if that really means a lot or something.

Kietzman interrupted constantly and pulled some $800 million figure out of his ass (apparently, he didn't read the executive summary. Maybe if an intern delivered it to him orally he'd pay attention). He also blasted the 1990 leases and Shields even though, last I checked, she wasn't responsible for those leases.

Tolbert talked about the tax being on children and disabled. He also admitted that he hadn't read any of the papers.

Nash actually tossed the lease across the table at Sly at one point -- he said something was in the lease when, in reality, it's not.

Sly listed facts and was incredibly classy and respectful. In other words, the opposite of KK.

I think, if given the chance, Reiderer would kick KK in the nuts -- he and KK got in a rather animated discussion.

Helling actually brought up some good points when he could get a word in above KK and Nash -- pointed out that the county has already paid more than $100 million to do pretty much nothing, and that fixing them once and for all would be a good thing.

That's about it in a nutshell -- the pro side used facts and logic, the against used interruptions, raised voices and emotion. Was quite impressed with Sly (although he did bring up the "do it or they will leave" argument, which I wish he wouldn't have).

MM
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Kylo Ren · 02-15-2006, 09:40 PM

Have I mentioned lately that I HATE Jack Harry? He's a bitter old man and a stupid bastard.

I'm glad that someone finally stood up to KK and called him on his downtown stadium BS.

I'm sure that KK will twist things around and make himself look like a hero on his radio show tomorrow.

milkman · 02-15-2006, 10:10 PM

For the uninformed, like me, who is Sly, yo?

Eleazar · 02-15-2006, 10:14 PM

Dave Helling was the only one there who looked like they had brain cells to rub together.

CHENZ A! · 02-15-2006, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark M

[/list][list][*]Kietzman interrupted constantly and pulled some $800 million figure out of his ass (apparently, he didn't read the executive summary. Maybe if an intern delivered it to him orally he'd pay attention). He also blasted the 1990 leases and Shields even though, last I checked, she wasn't responsible for those leases.

I believe the 800 mil figure is with interest over the course of the lease. Helling was good, everyone else was just yelling over one another. A 20 min debate was not near long enough. To me, and this is purely my opinion, this deal makes no sense, to spend all this money to patch up old buildings, when we could build new ones for around what this will end up costing.

**007** · 02-15-2006, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CHENZ A!

I believe the 800 mil figure is with interest over the course of the lease. Helling was good, everyone else was just yelling over one another. A 20 min debate was not near long enough. To me, and this is purely my opinion, this deal makes no sense, to spend all this money to patch up old buildings, when we could build new ones for around what this will end up costing.

That is what I have been feeling as well. Wyandotte is screaming for Arrowhead 2.

Demonpenz · 02-15-2006, 11:54 PM

lets just tear down soldier field and lambouu while we are at it

**007** · 02-15-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

lets just tear down soldier field and lambouu while we are at it

I hear what you are saying, I just don't feel Arrowhead is anywhere near the mystique those stadiums have.

02-16-2006, 12:00 AM

Sly is a great guy. The couple of times I've met him I always felt comfortable with him. I don't get that with lawyers often (ever).

Demonpenz · 02-16-2006, 12:03 AM

i was actually just arguing the naive point that was bound to get made. I want whats best for the city, but i also wouldn't mind the entertainment value of if 810 doesn't get its wish

Mark M · 02-16-2006, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CHENZ A!

I believe the 800 mil figure is with interest over the course of the lease. Helling was good, everyone else was just yelling over one another. A 20 min debate was not near long enough. To me, and this is purely my opinion, this deal makes no sense, to spend all this money to patch up old buildings, when we could build new ones for around what this will end up costing.

Actually, I don't think that's quite true.

According the way the ballot is written, the MOST taxpayers would put in is $425 million. Period.

I could be wrong, but after reading the executive summary and both leases, that's the way I read it. Not sure where that $800 million keeps coming from.

My theory is that KK keeps throwing it out there because he wants a downtown ballpark (probably because Union Broadcasting would benefit financially from development in the area). Considering that a new football stadium would run about $400 - 500 million, and a baseball stadium $200 -300 million, throwing out that $800 million figure makes it look as though two new stadiums could be had for the prices of refurbishing.

Again, I'm not 100% sure (I'm actually going to talk with some folks tomorrow about this whole thing ... folks with intimate knowledge of the issue) but the $800 million is not how much tax would be collected.

Also, if JaxCo can't afford to build the stadiums, how in the hell is WyCo?

And for those that don't know, Sly was the African American lawyer on the "for" side. He posts over at ChiefsCoaltion (where I have to go at work since the Planet is blocked. Nice board, actually ... not quite as crazy or balls to the wall as here, but pleasant and informative.)

MM
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CHENZ A! · 02-16-2006, 12:10 AM

I just want our teams and city to get the best possible deal, if that means playing downtown then fine. Somebody's pockets are going to get fat regardless of if we renovate or build new, and I don't care whose pockets they are as long as it's a good deal for the city and our teams.

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Mark M What time is it? Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: You tell me ... Casino cash: $9884900	So ... watched the show and here's the short(ish) version for those that missed it: Harry was his usual bitter self. Dude needs a hug. Also basically cupped what little manhood Kietzman has by stating that KK has the #1 afternoon sports show in KC ... as if that really means a lot or something. Kietzman interrupted constantly and pulled some $800 million figure out of his ass (apparently, he didn't read the executive summary. Maybe if an intern delivered it to him orally he'd pay attention). He also blasted the 1990 leases and Shields even though, last I checked, she wasn't responsible for those leases. Tolbert talked about the tax being on children and disabled. He also admitted that he hadn't read any of the papers. Nash actually tossed the lease across the table at Sly at one point -- he said something was in the lease when, in reality, it's not. Sly listed facts and was incredibly classy and respectful. In other words, the opposite of KK. I think, if given the chance, Reiderer would kick KK in the nuts -- he and KK got in a rather animated discussion. Helling actually brought up some good points when he could get a word in above KK and Nash -- pointed out that the county has already paid more than $100 million to do pretty much nothing, and that fixing them once and for all would be a good thing. That's about it in a nutshell -- the pro side used facts and logic, the against used interruptions, raised voices and emotion. Was quite impressed with Sly (although he did bring up the "do it or they will leave" argument, which I wish he wouldn't have). MM ~~ __________________ ChiefsPlanet -- n. The place where brilliant minds assemble to willfully pool ignorance with questionable logic in order to reach absurd conclusions.
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Demonpenz I got Rice cookin in the micro Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Apartment "G UNIT!" Casino cash: $3042136	i was actually just arguing the naive point that was bound to get made. I want whats best for the city, but i also wouldn't mind the entertainment value of if 810 doesn't get its wish __________________
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CHENZ A! pimping hoes + clocking a grip Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $9977569	I just want our teams and city to get the best possible deal, if that means playing downtown then fine. Somebody's pockets are going to get fat regardless of if we renovate or build new, and I don't care whose pockets they are as long as it's a good deal for the city and our teams.
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