For those who want Dillon on our side next year ......

Scorpdork · 11-28-2000, 01:04 PM

Looks like he is really considering the Bungles for a long term contract. This would be a knife in our back!

Snapper · 11-28-2000, 01:30 PM

I think Dillon is going to do this or threaten to be a chief for financial leverage against any team pursueing him...$$$$$$ is all he will care about..

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-28-2000, 01:32 PM

How is tbat a knife in your back? When did Dillon become the ONLY RB available?

Signing the greatest living RB still leaves the question mark of your Oline unanswered. Your Oline has failed to open holes consistently ever since the end of last season.

A good RB is only part of the answer.<BR>

KC Hawke · 11-28-2000, 01:37 PM

I'm afraid I'd have to agree with RC on this subject.

KC Jones · 11-28-2000, 01:52 PM

I'm afraid I don't....

A good running back can make a mediocre OL look pretty good...Barry Sanders....

Now, for the backs we have, our OL sucks, but put in a very good back and the small holes and creases will become very large...

And do we really care if Dillon is all about $$$?...aren't most of today's players?...Dillon would be a good fit for the Chiefs...if there are other options for less money and equal quality, pursue them...otherwise, a quality RB is one of the last pieces of the Chiefs puzzle...

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joe

"The word "genius" isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
-Joe Theisman, NFL football quarterback and sports analyst

Snapper · 11-28-2000, 01:55 PM

58,

I am not denying that he is a good back, or that he would/could improve the chiefs...I was mearly implying that he may be discussing longterm contract options to gain negotiating power with FA pursuers..

there will be other options if he does resign.

KC Hawke · 11-28-2000, 01:59 PM

there are very few RBs like Barry Sanders that can look for the smallest of holes and if its not there, re-direct and make a gain around the corner. If our O-line becomes any less stable, God help any player behind it.

Luzap · 11-28-2000, 02:01 PM

If anyone watched MNF last night, you got to see a no name RB put up a monster night. The OL plays a significant role in the success/failure of the running game. It can be evidenced in Denver where 3 different RB's have excelled in that offense.

KC's 'base blocking', 'straight up', style of blocking for the running game is not going to succeed. It's another of a long list of failed philosophies that this team needs to rid itself of.

KC Jones · 11-28-2000, 02:02 PM

Iowa, no doubt he's going to use all the tricks in the book to get all the bucks he can...I can't really blame him...I guess my whole point and I hope Carl is smart enough to realize this, is that we MUST have a premier running back, an every down guy, a RB that gets yards with or without a great line...it makes me sick...we find our passing game and we can't run...we run and we don't pass (years past)...but what really makes me sick is having to talk about next season with four games remaining in this one... :(

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joe

"The word "genius" isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
-Joe Theisman, NFL football quarterback and sports analyst

One Arrowhead Dave · 11-28-2000, 02:03 PM

It is true that we need to rebuild our OL, but it is misguided to look at the current line and draw any conclusions. We went into the season with Tait, Szott, Grunhard, Shields and Riley. We now have Tait, Shields and Riley. The current OL is a makeshift affair, a temporary hovel trying to replace the grand edifice that graced KC for years.

It is misguided to judge the performance of a car when it is running on the donut spare. It is just as misguided to judge the Chiefs OL by its current makeshift condition.

We will reorganize the OL in the off-season. It may be a year or two before they dominate again, but they will be better than they are right now.

xoxo~
gaz
trying , really trying, to be patient.<BR>

KC Jones · 11-28-2000, 02:05 PM

Titus, exactly what I'm saying...with mediocre RBs like we have, you have to have a great run blocking OL...but with a quality RB...all the OL has to do is open a small hole...not to say our line doesn't need improvement...it does...but I think it is good enough if we have a better RB...

One thing that is encouraging...the pass protection has been pretty good...

Now I wonder though, is our line so bad or is that other teams have just figured out our unimaginative offensive schemes?

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joe

"The word "genius" isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein."
-Joe Theisman, NFL football quarterback and sports analyst

Snapper · 11-28-2000, 02:10 PM

58,

i agree an every down back would change this team, however, I'm afraid Dillon would end up in a "package" and under-utilized like the others...

Chief Joseph · 11-28-2000, 02:13 PM

The scary part is after all the years of first round O-linemen. (Jenkins, Tait, Riley) and all the money spent on O-linemen in FA (Blackshear, Parker, The joker who we shipped to Jax, whose name escapes me). Offensive line will be an off-season priority. especially if Shields moves on, Grunhard and Szott retire. I can see a guard coming to KC in round one... but thats not Carls fault is it? How was he supposed to forsee Shields leaving? Just because held out and refused to sign long-term. And didnt everyone think Dave and Tim would play at least 20-30 years? God Save the King!!!

KC Jones · 11-28-2000, 02:30 PM

Iowa, you think so?...God, I hope that the Chiefs aren't that stupid because if they are they might as well not bother to get a good RB...man that would be horrible...I don't know, I have a feeling if Gun and Carl got the right guy, big and fast and talented, he'd play most every down...I'd like to think so anyway...

Snapper · 11-28-2000, 02:37 PM

I really hope they wouldn't be that stupid..but on the other hand...I would like to see the young backs we have each run the ball until they puke, give kimble a few carries and put them back in....see what is there..like i've seen requested previously...

i would hope an every down back would be used...but i'd like to see them prepare others...1 injury shouldn't stop the whole team...

11-28-2000, 01:30 PM	#2
Snapper Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Oswego,Ks,USofA Casino cash: $10004900	I think Dillon is going to do this or threaten to be a chief for financial leverage against any team pursueing him...$$$$$$ is all he will care about..
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11-28-2000, 01:32 PM	#3
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	How is tbat a knife in your back? When did Dillon become the ONLY RB available? Signing the greatest living RB still leaves the question mark of your Oline unanswered. Your Oline has failed to open holes consistently ever since the end of last season. A good RB is only part of the answer.<BR>
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11-28-2000, 01:37 PM	#4
KC Hawke Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	I'm afraid I'd have to agree with RC on this subject.
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11-28-2000, 01:52 PM	#5
KC Jones Genious Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $10012761	I'm afraid I don't.... A good running back can make a mediocre OL look pretty good...Barry Sanders.... Now, for the backs we have, our OL sucks, but put in a very good back and the small holes and creases will become very large... And do we really care if Dillon is all about $$$?...aren't most of today's players?...Dillon would be a good fit for the Chiefs...if there are other options for less money and equal quality, pursue them...otherwise, a quality RB is one of the last pieces of the Chiefs puzzle... ------------------ joe "The word "genius" isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein." -Joe Theisman, NFL football quarterback and sports analyst
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11-28-2000, 01:55 PM	#6
Snapper Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Oswego,Ks,USofA Casino cash: $10004900	58, I am not denying that he is a good back, or that he would/could improve the chiefs...I was mearly implying that he may be discussing longterm contract options to gain negotiating power with FA pursuers.. there will be other options if he does resign.
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11-28-2000, 01:04 PM
Scorpdork Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Looks like he is really considering the Bungles for a long term contract. This would be a knife in our back!
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11-28-2000, 01:59 PM	#7
KC Hawke Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	there are very few RBs like Barry Sanders that can look for the smallest of holes and if its not there, re-direct and make a gain around the corner. If our O-line becomes any less stable, God help any player behind it.
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11-28-2000, 02:01 PM	#8
Luzap 9.89 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dallas, TX Casino cash: $10004900	If anyone watched MNF last night, you got to see a no name RB put up a monster night. The OL plays a significant role in the success/failure of the running game. It can be evidenced in Denver where 3 different RB's have excelled in that offense. KC's 'base blocking', 'straight up', style of blocking for the running game is not going to succeed. It's another of a long list of failed philosophies that this team needs to rid itself of.
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11-28-2000, 02:02 PM	#9
KC Jones Genious Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $10012761	Iowa, no doubt he's going to use all the tricks in the book to get all the bucks he can...I can't really blame him...I guess my whole point and I hope Carl is smart enough to realize this, is that we MUST have a premier running back, an every down guy, a RB that gets yards with or without a great line...it makes me sick...we find our passing game and we can't run...we run and we don't pass (years past)...but what really makes me sick is having to talk about next season with four games remaining in this one... :( ------------------ joe "The word "genius" isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein." -Joe Theisman, NFL football quarterback and sports analyst
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11-28-2000, 02:03 PM	#10
One Arrowhead Dave Football junkie Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	It is true that we need to rebuild our OL, but it is misguided to look at the current line and draw any conclusions. We went into the season with Tait, Szott, Grunhard, Shields and Riley. We now have Tait, Shields and Riley. The current OL is a makeshift affair, a temporary hovel trying to replace the grand edifice that graced KC for years. It is misguided to judge the performance of a car when it is running on the donut spare. It is just as misguided to judge the Chiefs OL by its current makeshift condition. We will reorganize the OL in the off-season. It may be a year or two before they dominate again, but they will be better than they are right now. xoxo~ gaz trying , really trying, to be patient.<BR>
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11-28-2000, 02:05 PM	#11
KC Jones Genious Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $10012761	Titus, exactly what I'm saying...with mediocre RBs like we have, you have to have a great run blocking OL...but with a quality RB...all the OL has to do is open a small hole...not to say our line doesn't need improvement...it does...but I think it is good enough if we have a better RB... One thing that is encouraging...the pass protection has been pretty good... Now I wonder though, is our line so bad or is that other teams have just figured out our unimaginative offensive schemes? ------------------ joe "The word "genius" isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein." -Joe Theisman, NFL football quarterback and sports analyst
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11-28-2000, 02:10 PM	#12
Snapper Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Oswego,Ks,USofA Casino cash: $10004900	58, i agree an every down back would change this team, however, I'm afraid Dillon would end up in a "package" and under-utilized like the others...
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11-28-2000, 02:13 PM	#13
Chief Joseph Starter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Ottawa, KS Casino cash: $10004900	The scary part is after all the years of first round O-linemen. (Jenkins, Tait, Riley) and all the money spent on O-linemen in FA (Blackshear, Parker, The joker who we shipped to Jax, whose name escapes me). Offensive line will be an off-season priority. especially if Shields moves on, Grunhard and Szott retire. I can see a guard coming to KC in round one... but thats not Carls fault is it? How was he supposed to forsee Shields leaving? Just because held out and refused to sign long-term. And didnt everyone think Dave and Tim would play at least 20-30 years? God Save the King!!!
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11-28-2000, 02:30 PM	#14
KC Jones Genious Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Colorado Casino cash: $10012761	Iowa, you think so?...God, I hope that the Chiefs aren't that stupid because if they are they might as well not bother to get a good RB...man that would be horrible...I don't know, I have a feeling if Gun and Carl got the right guy, big and fast and talented, he'd play most every down...I'd like to think so anyway...
Posts: 5,366

11-28-2000, 02:37 PM	#15
Snapper Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Oswego,Ks,USofA Casino cash: $10004900	I really hope they wouldn't be that stupid..but on the other hand...I would like to see the young backs we have each run the ball until they puke, give kimble a few carries and put them back in....see what is there..like i've seen requested previously... i would hope an every down back would be used...but i'd like to see them prepare others...1 injury shouldn't stop the whole team...
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