More Surtain news, with article

[beer bacon]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/s...a-sports-front

Surtain, K.C. agree, but Dolphins coach balks

By Alex Marvez and Ethan Skolnick
Staff Writers
Posted April 1 2005

DAVIE -- Dolphins cornerback Patrick Surtain and the Kansas City Chiefs have agreed in principle to a multiyear contract extension that includes an eight-digit signing bonus provided a trade between the teams can be worked out, sources said.

The Chiefs reportedly are offering a fourth-round draft choice while the Dolphins are believed to be insistent upon a selection in the first three rounds.











Kansas City has its own first- and second-round picks as well as a third-round compensational pick awarded by the NFL that cannot be traded. The Chiefs traded their 2005 third-round pick last season to Philadelphia as part of a package to acquire guard John Welbourn.

"If someone else wants to work a business deal for [Surtain] to be on their team, fine," Dolphins coach Nick Saban said Thursday. "But we will not compromise on our price. I'm not going to tell you what that is, but it's not to be compromised."

Saban gave Surtain permission to shop his services in February after it appeared the three-time Pro Bowl selection would be unable to land the kind of lucrative contract he was seeking from the Dolphins. Surtain is scheduled to earn $5.85 million in 2005, the final season in a four-year contract extension he signed in 2001.

"I like Patrick and want him to be on our team," Saban said. "If he's not, it's going to be because it can't work out business-wise. It's as simple as that."

Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said last week that his team had interest in Surtain and free-agent cornerback Ty Law. Vermeil hopes to acquire a veteran cornerback before the April 23 draft to help improve the NFL's lowest-ranked secondary in 2004.

Surtain had drawn interest from other teams, with Minnesota, Oakland and Seattle among the leading suitors. But no trade was close to happening because of the Dolphins' compensation demands and the fact a contract extension would need to be reached with Surtain, who could become an unrestricted free agent in 2006. The Vikings and Seahawks addressed the need for cornerbacks by signing free agents Fred Smoot and Kelly Herndon, respectively.

Surtain carries an $8.4 million salary cap number, which is almost 10 percent of the Dolphins' $85.5 million cap allowance. But Saban said the Dolphins can handle that number and said the franchise tag could be used to retain Surtain's rights for future seasons, although that would place a greater strain on the team's cap. The one-year guaranteed salary for a franchise cornerback in 2005 is $8.8 million and is expected to increase in 2006.

"I don't know that we can sign him long-term," Saban said. "It depends on what happens in the future. We can't make it work right now relative to what they want and where we are."

Surtain, 28, has been a Dolphins starter since 1999. Reggie Howard and Will Poole are the leading contenders to replace Surtain in the starting lineup if a trade is completed.

Alex Marvez can be reached at amarvez@sun-sentinel.com. Ethan J. Skolnick can be reached at eskolnick@sun-sentinel.com.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

so what does this mean?

[Michael Michigan]

Trade the #2.

[RealSNR]

Well, that's phase one.

All we have to do now is play the waiting game with the Dolphins

[el borracho]

How can all of the following be true at the same time:
*the Chiefs (notoriously cheap) can reach a contract extension agreement with Surtain
*The Dolphins are not able to reach a contract extension agreement with Surtain
*The Dolphins could tag Surtain paying him an average of the top CB salaries if no deal can be reached

Seriously, if the Dolphins are willing and able to pay Surtain top dollar, why can they not reach a contract extension agreement?

[beer bacon]

Originally Posted by Special Ed

so what does this mean?

It means if we agree to terms with the Dolphins that he is ours. We either need to trade the #2 or go with the more risky approach of trading down on draft day and trading the extra pick.

[beer bacon]

Originally Posted by el borracho

How can all of the following be true at the same time:
*the Chiefs (notoriously cheap) can reach a contract extension agreement with Surtain
*The Dolphins are not able to reach a contract extension agreement with Surtain
*The Dolphins could tag Surtain paying him an average of the top CB salaries if no deal can be reached

Seriously, if the Dolphins are willing and able to pay Surtain top dollar, why can they not reach a contract extension agreement?

Saban is just building upon Miami's fine tradition of crazy idiot headcoaches?

Also, the whole franchise warning could just be a bluff to give us more incentive to give up our #2.

[Stinger]

Originally Posted by el borracho

How can all of the following be true at the same time:
*the Chiefs (notoriously cheap) can reach a contract extension agreement with Surtain
*The Dolphins are not able to reach a contract extension agreement with Surtain
*The Dolphins could tag Surtain paying him an average of the top CB salaries if no deal can be reached

Seriously, if the Dolphins are willing and able to pay Surtain top dollar, why can they not reach a contract extension agreement?

I believe that if all reports are true that if they keep Surtain they will be cap strapped and have no money for their draft pick. Thought I saw somewhere that they would save 5.4 million or around that if they get ride of him. I believe they are around 1.5 million under the cap. Don't quote me on that though.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by beer baron

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/s...a-sports-front

Surtain, K.C. agree, but Dolphins coach balks

By Alex Marvez and Ethan Skolnick
Staff Writers
Posted April 1 2005

DAVIE -- Dolphins cornerback Patrick Surtain and the Kansas City Chiefs have agreed in principle to a multiyear contract extension that includes an eight-digit signing bonus provided a trade between the teams can be worked out, sources said.

The Chiefs reportedly are offering a fourth-round draft choice while the Dolphins are believed to be insistent upon a selection in the first three rounds.

Kansas City has its own first- and second-round picks as well as a third-round compensational pick awarded by the NFL that cannot be traded. The Chiefs traded their 2005 third-round pick last season to Philadelphia as part of a package to acquire guard John Welbourn.

"If someone else wants to work a business deal for [Surtain] to be on their team, fine," Dolphins coach Nick Saban said Thursday. "But we will not compromise on our price. I'm not going to tell you what that is, but it's not to be compromised."

Saban gave Surtain permission to shop his services in February after it appeared the three-time Pro Bowl selection would be unable to land the kind of lucrative contract he was seeking from the Dolphins. Surtain is scheduled to earn $5.85 million in 2005, the final season in a four-year contract extension he signed in 2001.

"I like Patrick and want him to be on our team," Saban said. "If he's not, it's going to be because it can't work out business-wise. It's as simple as that."

Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said last week that his team had interest in Surtain and free-agent cornerback Ty Law. Vermeil hopes to acquire a veteran cornerback before the April 23 draft to help improve the NFL's lowest-ranked secondary in 2004.

Surtain had drawn interest from other teams, with Minnesota, Oakland and Seattle among the leading suitors. But no trade was close to happening because of the Dolphins' compensation demands and the fact a contract extension would need to be reached with Surtain, who could become an unrestricted free agent in 2006. The Vikings and Seahawks addressed the need for cornerbacks by signing free agents Fred Smoot and Kelly Herndon, respectively.

Surtain carries an $8.4 million salary cap number, which is almost 10 percent of the Dolphins' $85.5 million cap allowance. But Saban said the Dolphins can handle that number and said the franchise tag could be used to retain Surtain's rights for future seasons, although that would place a greater strain on the team's cap. The one-year guaranteed salary for a franchise cornerback in 2005 is $8.8 million and is expected to increase in 2006.

"I don't know that we can sign him long-term," Saban said. "It depends on what happens in the future. We can't make it work right now relative to what they want and where we are."

Surtain, 28, has been a Dolphins starter since 1999. Reggie Howard and Will Poole are the leading contenders to replace Surtain in the starting lineup if a trade is completed.

Alex Marvez can be reached at amarvez@sun-sentinel.com. Ethan J. Skolnick can be reached at eskolnick@sun-sentinel.com.

No other teams have offered shit so IMO we need to sit tight. They won't carry him at his cap hit or he would of never been allowed to seek a trade. If the facts are represented in this article as much as it pains me we gotta play this right up till the 2nd round of the draft.

PhilFree

[Logical]

Originally Posted by Michael Michigan

Trade the #2.

Absofuckinglutely

[Chiefs Pantalones]

With our luck, he will re-sign back with the Dolphins.

[beavis]

Good God, give them a #2 and be done with it already.

[Nightfyre]

8 digits makes me uncomfortable.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

8 digits makes me uncomfortable.

Why? Dude is a pro bowl CB. Do we have pro bowl anything on this defense? If anyone deserves an 8 digit signing bonus, Surtain does.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Special Ed

Why? Dude is a pro bowl CB. Do we have pro bowl anything on this defense? If anyone deserves an 8 digit signing bonus, Surtain does.

Its that whole degenerative knee deal.... worries me.