Who the heck is this guy? Patrick Mahomes the 6th best QB in the league?

[Mosbonian]

I came across this article after listening to the local sports program where they were talking about Trevor Lawrence....

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/p...-lead-the-way/

Sometimes you just wonder what people are thinking other than, " can I create clickbait" when they put up crap like this.

Post-draft NFL QB Power Rankings
1 Jayden Daniels
Washington Commanders QB
Recency bias? Sure. But you'd be hard-pressed to find an NFL team that wouldn't hurry to claim him as its quarterback of the present and future, contenders included. He was simply unflappable for much of his dynamic debut, which ended on the doorstep of the Super Bowl . A second-year dip is possible, but who says Daniels won't keep climbing with some added veteran help in D.C.?

2 Jalen Hurts
Philadelphia Eagles QB
He was frequently and often unfairly knocked for holding more of a background role during much of the Eagles ' Super Bowl run, but what more can you ask of this man when the lights shine brightest? His title campaign may have proved he's best suited as a selective rather than high-volume passer, but his instincts, toughness, downfield touch and rugged mobility all show up in the clutch.

3 Joe Burrow
Cincinnati Bengals QB
The Bengals are just 14-13 in his last two seasons of starts, so it's clear he can't do it all alone. Yet who else would you rather have for pure pocket passing? His poise and precision are dynamite.

4 Lamar Jackson
Baltimore Ravens QB
The playoff hurdles have yet to be fully cleared. That doesn't change the fact Jackson is a walking fireworks show, forever liable to change a game in a single play with his dual-threat electricity.

5 Josh Allen
Buffalo Bills QB
The reigning MVP is coming off his most efficient season while operating with a new-look receiving group. Like Lamar Jackson , another AFC superhero, he's just yet to escape the Chiefs ' shadow.

6 Patrick Mahomes
Kansas City Chiefs QB
Was Mahomes' ugly Super Bowl showing an anomaly, or clear evidence his increasing dependence on last-minute heroics isn't as sustainable as it once was for Kansas City? A healthier pass-catching corps should help, but his leaky O-line still has questions. There's no denying No. 15 is still the most trustworthy signal-caller in the game, but he's now proven vulnerable twice on the big stage.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by Pablo

If you borrow money from big Bill and don’t pay it back he takes it out on your ass. Literally

Ok....guess I am missing the joke.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

Ok....guess I am missing the joke.

You're not missing much.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by wazu

As a fellow newspaper comics reader as a kid, I am 100% with you on the Zippy thing. I remember commenting on it repeatedly and being in disbelief that it was able to be published at all. Like the guy writing it was on acid or something and didn't even know what humor was. At one point I ran into a kid at school who thought Zippy was hilarious. The kid was a complete dork who was also incapable of understanding humor or ever being funny, but I realized there are more people like him than you would think.

There was a handful of kids in my high school who claimed to like Zippy, and every single one of them without exception were kids who were trying to be seen as edgy and iconoclastic. They would claim that Zippy was deep in a way that most people couldn't understand. None of those people were bright or witty so that argument didn't fly at all. I think maybe Zippy survived as a comic because some syndicate buyer was the same non-bright wannabe cool person.

I made it a point to read the newspaper comics every day, and I kind of miss that. I would read every comic except maybe Mary Worth. (Seriously - a comic soap opera? Nope.). Zippy angered me because it offered no redeeming feature at all, but the drawing style would make me glance at it every day before immediately rejecting it.

[SAGA45]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

The bastard son of Pee Wee Herman and Gollum

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by stumppy

They never learn. I've noticed a lot of the talk in sports media this off-season speaks as if the Chiefs' Dynasty is over. Not much discussion about how or why, they just assume it's over. The fools will never learn.

You know what's funny? And honestly, it's something I didn't really notice until stacking up the roster after the draft.

This team is probably better EVERYWHERE than it was last season.

The only argument is at S where Hicks may not duplicate what Reid gave us, though Edwards as a true FS can help a bit there and honestly even Connor, if moved back to S, can play. You could argue DT if you put any stock in the loss of Nnadi (I don't) or presume Jones will drop off (I think that happened LAST season and will actually stabilize a bit this season). Even if you believe both those things, the addition of ONL will help a fair bit and any fat body in the world can replace Nnadi.

And maybe you could argue the OL as an aggregate through the loss of Thuney at LG but the addition of Moore (and potentially Simmons) at the LT position should easily cover for that by simply getting credible play at a more important position.

WR -- better (for now; added Royals, lost nothing, room should be healthy/more experienced -- gotta avoid injury and ill-timed suspension)

RB -- MUCH better (Pacheco more healthy, addition of Mitchell and Smith)

TE -- Maybe even? Arguably better -- Kelce will not come back that out of shape. He didn't return to go out and mail it in, IMO. There's more money to be made for him outside of football. His pride won't allow what happened last year to happen again.

DEs -- Better (healthy Omenihu and Danna , addition of Gallette; lost nothing)

LBs -- better (lost nothing; added Bassa -- Chenal a year more experienced)

CBs -- better (Watson back, addition of Williams and Fulton)

This team is better than last year. This team might be a LOT better than last year. Injury is the only thing that I can see really preventing that and my word, can the injuries POSSIBLY be worse than last season?

Think whatever you want, talking heads. This is a far improved football team to last season's squad.

And last year's....wasn't too bad.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You know what's funny? And honestly, it's something I didn't really notice until stacking up the roster after the draft.

This team is probably better EVERYWHERE than it was last season.

The only argument is at S where Hicks may not duplicate what Reid gave us, though Edwards as a true FS can help a bit there and honestly even Connor, if moved back to S, can play. You could argue DT if you put any stock in the loss of Nnadi (I don't) or presume Jones will drop off (I think that happened LAST season and will actually stabilize a bit this season). Even if you believe both those things, the addition of ONL will help a fair bit and any fat body in the world can replace Nnadi.

And maybe you could argue the OL as an aggregate through the loss of Thuney at LG but the addition of Moore (and potentially Simmons) at the LT position should easily cover for that by simply getting credible play at a more important position.

WR -- better (for now; added Royals, lost nothing, room should be healthy/more experienced -- gotta avoid injury and ill-timed suspension)

RB -- MUCH better (Pacheco more healthy, addition of Mitchell and Smith)

TE -- Maybe even? Arguably better -- Kelce will not come back that out of shape. He didn't return to go out and mail it in, IMO. There's more money to be made for him outside of football. His pride won't allow what happened last year to happen again.

DEs -- Better (healthy Omenihu and Danna , addition of Gallette; lost nothing)

LBs -- better (lost nothing; added Bassa -- Chenal a year more experienced)

CBs -- better (Watson back, addition of Williams and Fulton)

This team is better than last year. This team might be a LOT better than last year. Injury is the only thing that I can see really preventing that and my word, can the injuries POSSIBLY be worse than last season?

Think whatever you want, talking heads. This is a far improved football team to last season's squad.

And last year's....wasn't too bad.

Yeah, I think the Chiefs’ improvements are flying under the casual fan/analysts’ radar.

Joe Thuney is a big loss and they won’t be better at LG over Thuney… but they WILL be better at LG than Caliendo. And better at LT than anything they got last year.

Say they’re average at LG and LT, rather than really bad at LT and elite at LG. OL as a whole is going to be better.

They will be better at WR. I think they actually may be better at S (Conner can be effective in the box role, Hicks is a better pass defender than Reid). Big improvements at CB (especially in the slot). Legit option at WLB/covering TEs (may take some time to come along for Bassa, but he’s bright and was the signal caller for Oregon’s defense, which is not vanilla). More explosion in the room at RB.

People are overlooking how much injuries (WRs, Jaylen Watson) affected KC last year. And that’s fine.

Going to make the redemption run that much better.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You know what's funny? And honestly, it's something I didn't really notice until stacking up the roster after the draft.

This team is probably better EVERYWHERE than it was last season.

The only argument is at S where Hicks may not duplicate what Reid gave us, though Edwards as a true FS can help a bit there and honestly even Connor, if moved back to S, can play. You could argue DT if you put any stock in the loss of Nnadi (I don't) or presume Jones will drop off (I think that happened LAST season and will actually stabilize a bit this season). Even if you believe both those things, the addition of ONL will help a fair bit and any fat body in the world can replace Nnadi.

And maybe you could argue the OL as an aggregate through the loss of Thuney at LG but the addition of Moore (and potentially Simmons) at the LT position should easily cover for that by simply getting credible play at a more important position.

WR -- better (for now; added Royals, lost nothing, room should be healthy/more experienced -- gotta avoid injury and ill-timed suspension)

RB -- MUCH better (Pacheco more healthy, addition of Mitchell and Smith)

TE -- Maybe even? Arguably better -- Kelce will not come back that out of shape. He didn't return to go out and mail it in, IMO. There's more money to be made for him outside of football. His pride won't allow what happened last year to happen again.

DEs -- Better (healthy Omenihu and Danna , addition of Gallette; lost nothing)

LBs -- better (lost nothing; added Bassa -- Chenal a year more experienced)

CBs -- better (Watson back, addition of Williams and Fulton)

This team is better than last year. This team might be a LOT better than last year. Injury is the only thing that I can see really preventing that and my word, can the injuries POSSIBLY be worse than last season?

Think whatever you want, talking heads. This is a far improved football team to last season's squad.

And last year's....wasn't too bad.

Well said, though I think you under value Nnadi. After the SB and looking back at everything, I came to the conclusion that this team, with all of the injuries and condition it was in by the end of the season, should not have gotten very far in the playoffs. I would argue that Mahomes is so good that he was able to carry the team much further than should have been possible.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Yeah, I think the Chiefs’ improvements are flying under the casual fan/analysts’ radar.

Joe Thuney is a big loss and they won’t be better at LG over Thuney… but they WILL be better at LG than Caliendo. And better at LT than anything they got last year.

Say they’re average at LG and LT, rather than really bad at LT and elite at LG. OL as a whole is going to be better.

They will be better at WR. I think they actually may be better at S (Conner can be effective in the box role, Hicks is a better pass defender than Reid). Big improvements at CB (especially in the slot). Legit option at WLB/covering TEs (may take some time to come along for Bassa, but he’s bright and was the signal caller for Oregon’s defense, which is not vanilla). More explosion in the room at RB.

People are overlooking how much injuries (WRs, Jaylen Watson) affected KC last year. And that’s fine.

Going to make the redemption run that much better.

I am with you but with the caveat that we don't know for sure that LG will be better than Caliendo. I think it will be but Kingsley has much to prove.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Well said, though I think you under value Nnadi. After the SB and looking back at everything, I came to the conclusion that this team, with all of the injuries and condition it was in by the end of the season, should not have gotten very far in the playoffs. I would argue that Mahomes is so good that he was able to carry the team much further than should have been possible.

Nnadi has been a league minimum player for 3 straight years.

He wasn't technically PAID the league minimum the last 2 years, but because we got him with the VSB, he was a league minimum cap charge for us.

No team, in three seasons, has been willing to pay him more than the absolute minimum for a player with his amount of experience.

I'm not sure where that puts him in relation to where I value him, but it sure seems to say that the league doesn't value him very much.

And they shouldn't. Because he's not good at football. At all.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You know what's funny? And honestly, it's something I didn't really notice until stacking up the roster after the draft.

This team is probably better EVERYWHERE than it was last season.

The only argument is at S where Hicks may not duplicate what Reid gave us, though Edwards as a true FS can help a bit there and honestly even Connor, if moved back to S, can play. You could argue DT if you put any stock in the loss of Nnadi (I don't) or presume Jones will drop off (I think that happened LAST season and will actually stabilize a bit this season). Even if you believe both those things, the addition of ONL will help a fair bit and any fat body in the world can replace Nnadi.

And maybe you could argue the OL as an aggregate through the loss of Thuney at LG but the addition of Moore (and potentially Simmons) at the LT position should easily cover for that by simply getting credible play at a more important position.

WR -- better (for now; added Royals, lost nothing, room should be healthy/more experienced -- gotta avoid injury and ill-timed suspension)

RB -- MUCH better (Pacheco more healthy, addition of Mitchell and Smith)

TE -- Maybe even? Arguably better -- Kelce will not come back that out of shape. He didn't return to go out and mail it in, IMO. There's more money to be made for him outside of football. His pride won't allow what happened last year to happen again.

DEs -- Better (healthy Omenihu and Danna , addition of Gallette; lost nothing)

LBs -- better (lost nothing; added Bassa -- Chenal a year more experienced)

CBs -- better (Watson back, addition of Williams and Fulton)

This team is better than last year. This team might be a LOT better than last year. Injury is the only thing that I can see really preventing that and my word, can the injuries POSSIBLY be worse than last season?

Think whatever you want, talking heads. This is a far improved football team to last season's squad.

And last year's....wasn't too bad.

This is true but we don't play in a vacuum. Have the Eagles also improved? Although it's a different Conference, they might be our biggest competitors right now. Baltimore/Buffalo probably got better too but they were already behind the Chiefs.

[Valiant]

Stat wise. I am okay with that.
Win wise? ****ing crazy.
Pat so far has come back with a vengeance after losses.

[BigRedChief]

insert Mahomes taking notes gif.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper

This is true but we don't play in a vacuum. Have the Eagles also improved? Although it's a different Conference, they might be our biggest competitors right now. Baltimore/Buffalo probably got better too but they were already behind the Chiefs.

The Eagles lost Williams, Sweat, Becton and Slay. Even losing Isaiah Rodgers is a blow for them.

I'd say they held serve, for the most part. At best.

No, I don't think the Eagles improved.

[Gary Cooper]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The Eagles lost Williams, Sweat, Becton and Slay. Even losing Isaiah Rodgers is a blow for them.

I'd say they held serve, for the most part. At best.

No, I don't think the Eagles improved.

Didn't the Eagles have a successful draft by all accounts? Obviously the games haven't been played yet but it appears they did fairly well on their picks.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This team is better than last year. This team might be a LOT better than last year. Injury is the only thing that I can see really preventing that and my word, can the injuries POSSIBLY be worse than last season?

It’s amazing that people don’t ask these naysayers a simple question. Is Andy, Mahomes, Spags and Veach still there? Bc those guys are all top 3 at what they do, at worst.

There isn’t a better staff in the league and last year continued to prove it. Chiefs had the worst LT situation by far and 3 of their 4 top young weapons were out 90% of the season.

This team had Justin Watson as WR1 for a month before acquiring Hopkins. They had a slow undrafted RB start a game for them, a RB literally off the couch start for them, lost Watson, only had 21 sacks in their first 11 games bc Omenihu and Danna were hurt.

This staff improvised and made all of that work with their starters going 17-1 leading up to the SB. How many staffs can do that?

And now the personnel staff gets multiple LT’s, multiple pass rushers, multiple RB’s with elite explosion, multiple outside corners, another nice WR prospect and more depth.

I don’t give a shit what Denver or LAC or the Bills or anyone else did. The Chiefs are one of the most improved teams. I’m not picking anyone over them to go back to the SB.