You guys really have weepy vaginas!!!!!!!

[Discuss Thrower]

So you want to win now.

I mean if you acknowledge the talent on the roster, the only other move is a massive trade off which -if I'm not mistaken- would require contractual re-negotiations with those guys to get them on to other rosters.

Which is nigh impossible, right?

So it's either try to win in the next 1-3 seasons or piss away play on the field by talented pieces with or without intentional efforts to tank in a handful of seasons to try and rebuild talent with a 1st round QB.

[Hammock Parties]

In which direction does the Alex Smith trade tip the scales, in all honesty?

Right over the Event Horizon.

http://goregirl.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/event-horizon15.jpg

[cdcox]

Yeah, because everyone knows its easy to go from 2-14 to a Super Bowl with the snap of a finger.

If you believe that, you live in Fantasy Land.

Dane, you know as well as I do that dynasties happen quickly:

It took 3 years for Dallas to go from 1-15 to the first of their 3 SB

It took 1 year for SF to go from 6-10 to the first of their 4 SB

It took 1 year for the Patriots to go from 5-11 to the first SB win of their current dynasty

It took 2 years for the Steelers to go from 6-10 to the first of their 2 SB titles

The Giants had 3 out of 4 0.500 or below seasons before winning the first of their two most recent SBs.

The Broncos are the only recent team to string together a bunch of good seasons before winning multiple Super Bowls.

We have a 2-3 year window to win now before history and the age of our roster leads to more mediocrity.

[cdcox]

So you want to win multiple SBs now or within 5 years.

Yes.

[cdcox]

Why doesn't Aaron Rodgers win every year?

I'll settle for 2 SB wins over the next 6 years. Even with a very good team, you won't win every year. But I expect to be in the top 8 teams for several years in a row.

[007]

I'll settle for 2 SB wins over the next 6 years.

I'd be thrilled with one let alone two.

[cdcox]

I'd be thrilled with one let alone two.

The first one always comes as a surprise. You're happy that it happened, but you didn't exactly watch it unfold game by game. That's what the 2nd and 3rd one give you.

One and done is better than nothing, but it shouldn't be the goal. We could stumble into one and done with Alex Smith, if he plays at the very top of his game and everything else goes perfectly.

He's not total crap, but he isn't the answer.

[007]

The first one always comes as a surprise. You're happy that it happened, but you didn't exactly watch it unfold game by game. That's what the 2nd and 3rd one give you.

One and done is better than nothing, but it shouldn't be the goal. We could stumble into one and done with Alex Smith, if he plays at the very top of his game and everything else goes perfectly.

He's not total crap, but he isn't the answer.

I can live with one and done from Alex and 2-3 more with Bray. Yeah, I'm a dreamer. LMAO

[cdcox]

That's fine but will require a roster rebuild. More than half of our core guys will likely be gone or diminished in 3 years.

[007]

That's fine but will require a roster rebuild. More than half of our core guys will likely be gone or diminished in 3 years.

Well, if we are drafting correctly (something we never see around here) they should already be planning on replacements for those players in each of the next three off-seasons.

[splatbass]

He called me delusional. I'm not interested in a repeat of the Marty era. AT ALL.

Yeah, that decade when it was FUN to watch the Chiefs really sucked. We would be much better off by taking a 2nd round crappy QB at 1.1 and going 2-14 again, while hating Sundays.

[Sorter]

I would have bet anything that any of the note-worthy rookie QBs drafted last year in that same situation would have performed like a NFL QB.

21-33 188yds 63.3% 5.7ypa 1 TD 3INT 51.1 Rating


Who is that rookie QB against the Patriots?


Jesus brother, no wonder everyone wants me to cut your hand off.

[beach tribe]

21-33 188yds 63.3% 5.7ypa 1 TD 3INT 51.1 Rating


Who is that rookie QB against the Patriots?

Can we stop the peyton comparisons every time a rookie QB look like shit.
Again, Peyton also set the rookie record for attempts, yards, and TDs


Jesus brother, no wonder everyone wants me to cut your hand off.
Can we stop the peyton comparisons every time a rookie QB looks like shit?
Again, Peyton also set the rookie record for attempts, yards, and TDs

And that is actually quite a bit better than 15/35 214 0tds 3ints 27.6 rating


And the RZ picks, and wasted scoring opportunities?

[Sorter]

Can we stop the peyton comparisons every time a rookie QB looks like shit?
Again, Peyton also set the rookie record for attempts, yards, and TDs

And that is actually quite a bit better than 15/35 214 0tds 3ints 27.6 rating


And the RZ picks, and wasted scoring opportunities?

Not it really isn't.

Everyone on this entire board is overreacting to everything. Chiefs, Geno, Alex Smith. The majority of which, have no idea what the fuck is even remotely going on in a single play and are making absolutely asinine judgments.

[007]

Not it really isn't.

Everyone on this entire board is overreacting to everything. Chiefs, Geno, Alex Smith. The majority of which, have no idea what the **** is even remotely going on in a single play and are making absolutely asinine judgments.

No they are not and how dare you make such an asinine generalization of everyones issues you horrendous dipshit. o:-)

[Sorter]

No they are not and how dare you make such an asinine generalization of everyones issues you horrendous dipshit. o:-)

:)

[mdchiefsfan]

Would have liked to have him sitting on the bench behind Alex learning, but oh well. Bray will work

The funny thing is the people who wanted Geno, wanted this. I love how everyone wants to point at Geno's abilities now and think that is what we were hoping to get. We wanted to go the A. Rodgers route with him and let him develop behind Smith and learn.

[beach tribe]

Not it really isn't.

Everyone on this entire board is overreacting to everything. Chiefs, Geno, Alex Smith. The majority of which, have no idea what the **** is even remotely going on in a single play and are making absolutely asinine judgments.

What did you expect?
There is a thread on the front page called Alex Smith VS Geno Smith.
We are as sick of hearing about Jets QBs as we are of dealing with 9er fans.


Clay said it best. This is war. Geno was obviously a huge bum on this day and the non-believers are going to pound on the chocco tootsie roll suckers.

Clay is pouting and CAPSing and wishing losses on the chiefs over a JETS QB.

I do not dislike Geno. Im just sick of him dominating the discussions here.

I hope he sucks for no other reason than it being the only way he will go away.
If people around here didnt constantly suck his dick, and use him as an example of why we are going to fail, Id probably be pulling for thee kid after seeing him thrust in so soon.

[Sorter]

What did you expect?

I expect Thor to burn.


I wish that the entire discussion would end. I think it's too early to evaluate Geno or Alex, especially considering their unique circumstances.

[beach tribe]

I expect Thor to burn.


I wish that the entire discussion would end. I think it's too early to evaluate Geno or Alex, especially considering their unique circumstances.

Me too, Oh mischievous one....Me too.

[greg63]

I did NOT want Geno Smith. I also wish we hadn't paid such a high price for Alex Smith.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Dipshit of Dunder

[RippedmyFlesh]

Yes, every Super Bowl has been won by quarterbacks drafted by said team.

Actually the majority have.

[Chief Roundup]

Not me...we got the QB I wanted and didn't even have to use a draft pick
In 3 years Bray will be having 31 teams questioning why they didn't grab him

Keep dreaming dumbass.

[-King-]

Wait so... what exactly is CD's problem with the Alex Smith trade? If he wants the chance to win immediately and contend now, why is he mad that we got the only win now QB available? You really think Geno would give us a better chance to win not only one, but multiple superbowls in the next 5 years over Alex Smith? You are delusional.
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[Chief Roundup]

Geno/Rex couldn't beat the Pats when they were weaponless and couldn't catch or hold on to the ball. It was raining on everyone not just Geno people. Throwing 3 picks is bad. Throwing 2 of those picks in the 4th quarter is really bad.
Geno is raw and not ready to be a starter in this league. It was a good decision not to draft this kid at 1.1 by an experienced and wise front office of the Kansas City Chiefs.

[BlackHelicopters]

Yay! Another Geno Smith thread.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Yeah, almost beat the pats while throwing 3 picks

Major suck right?

The pats also didn't have amendola, gronk.

[WhiteWhale]

The homerism for Geno Smith on this board has officially reached Tebowian levels.

NO matter how much he sucks people will insist he's actually awesome.

"Yeah, He completed less than 50% of his passes and threw three interceptions, but he almost won that game!!"

Sounds like they would have won if they had a decent QB.

[ThatRaceCardGuy]

It's the fact that you guys wanted to trash your season... Who cares about wins when there is a complete unknown to waste a #1 pick on. Obviously the guy is not ready, and throwing him in the fire just may hurt his career.

Sucks cock enjoys the after taste ^^^^^^^^^^^^

[notorious]

Whether you wanted him or not, it's only his 2nd game.


Give him some time before you praise or shit on him.

[Marcellus]

The homerism for Geno Smith on this board has officially reached Tebowian levels.

NO matter how much he sucks people will insist he's actually awesome.

"Yeah, He completed less than 50% of his passes and threw three interceptions, but he almost won that game!!"

Sounds like they would have won if they had a decent QB.

Yea.

He made a few decent plays, and can sporadically throw a really nice ball. But really I haven't seen anything special.

No way he was the pick at 1.1 so the debate is a high 2nd for him or 2 for Alex Smith.For this team and time you have to go Alex Smith.

This isn't a difficult thing for most rational people to understand.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Whether you wanted him or not, it's only his 2nd game.


Give him some time before you praise or shit on him.

Issue is Clay is commenting on his every pass so you'll have criticism.

[Sandy Vagina]

Disagree completely. The Jets have Santonio Holmes, Kellen Winslow Jr. and Stephen Hill. A rookie is still a rookie, on a short week in crap weather.

Happens. Moving on. Now he has 10 days to watch tape, and get better. He HAST TO get better pocket awareness. He looks like ALEX SMITH back there.


:hmmm: .... WTF are you doing? Do you mean 2005 Alex, or what?

[Red Dawg]

He looked slow. His ability to think quickly looked bad.

[Sandy Vagina]

:facepalm:

The first 9 pages... nothing more than people regurgitating the same whines yet again about the choices made from the KC front office. People... people please.. I implore you. It is done. Do not cry so much about things that are out of your control. Just try to enjoy something out of this season before it is 2014, and you miss out.

If football is stressing you out this badly, then do yourself and everyone here a favor and take a vacation away from it. Life's too short to spend your years crying about things you can do nothing about.

[chiefzilla1501]

21-33 188yds 63.3% 5.7ypa 1 TD 3INT 51.1 Rating


Who is that rookie QB against the Patriots?


Jesus brother, no wonder everyone wants me to cut your hand off.

18-27 150yds 66.7% 5.6ypa 2TDs 0INT 105.5 Rating

That's the stat line of the other rookie QB who faced the Patriots last week. So why are we continuing to talk about Geno?

[Sandy Vagina]

Also, Bray is a goddamned moron. If he grows up, he has high upside. But frankly, I doubt he will.

He has a much better chance with Alex around. If he soaks in anything while studying Alex's work ethic and overall character, this can mean really good things for Bray in a few years.

[chiefzilla1501]

Yea.

He made a few decent plays, and can sporadically throw a really nice ball. But really I haven't seen anything special.

No way he was the pick at 1.1 so the debate is a high 2nd for him or 2 for Alex Smith.For this team and time you have to go Alex Smith.

This isn't a difficult thing for most rational people to understand.

Good decisions will come with time. As will timing. And the rain doesn't help. But the big thing I'd worry about is his accuracy. A lot of passes last night that were very underthrown or catchable balls that were pretty far behind the receiver.

[ChiTown]

He has a much better chance with Alex around. If he soaks in anything while studying Alex's work ethic and overall character, this can mean really good things for Bray in a few years.

I get that you have a serious bro-mance going down with Alex, but it's getting a bit disturbing on several levels, don't you think?

BTW, I'm not an Alex hater at all. I just don't loofah his back for him in the shower like you do.

[BourbonMan]

:facepalm:

The first 9 pages... nothing more than people regurgitating the same whines yet again about the choices made from the KC front office. People... people please.. I implore you. It is done. Do not cry so much about things that are out of your control. Just try to enjoy something out of this season before it is 2014, and you miss out.

If football is stressing you out this badly, then do yourself and everyone here a favor and take a vacation away from it. Life's too short to spend your years crying about things you can do nothing about.

AMEN BROTHA!!!

[Sandy Vagina]

We'll win more than that with Smith. And you do realize, that we can win..AND... develop a QB at the same time right? It's not an OR situation like you guys keep pretending it is.

Ka****ingBOOM.

exactly right.. some are so angry to have.. what they perceive at most to be a good stop-gap... as if this prohibits them from acquiring and developing a QBotF? Bullshit.

People like Clay want others to have patience for Choco penii... admitting that he will need time... but they can't exercise that same patience on Bray while actually winning more games than not with Alex? (and this way, actually have a decent OL to protect said QBs)

:hmmm: :doh!:

[Sandy Vagina]

I get that you have a serious bro-mance going down with Alex, but it's getting a bit disturbing on several levels, don't you think?

BTW, I'm not an Alex hater at all. I just don't loofah his back for him in the shower like you do.

I don't follow any of this. I have never met the man... I never care to meet the man... I simply respect him as a player and person.

So, what you are alluding to? That every fan that likes an individual player wants to engage in some kind of homoerotic acts with them? Yeah, no thanks, man.

( "not that there's anything wrong with that!" )

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[Wallcrawler]

Andy Reid had almost as bad of a year last year as KC, so he needed to get out of that losing slump as well.

When your options are to either get a QB that can instantly run your offense, with pieces already in place to win games, or to forego that and go with an unknown that might be able to run your offense in a couple years, its a pretty easy choice for a new Head Coach and GM coming in.

[Bootlegged]

Aaron Brooks

CAREER PASSING STATS
Year Team Cmp Att Pct Yds Yds/Att TD Int Sck Rtg
2000 NO 113 194 58.2 1514 7.8 9 6 15 85.7
2001 NO 312 558 55.9 3832 6.9 26 22 50 76.4
2002 NO 283 528 53.6 3572 6.8 27 15 36 80.2
2003 NO 306 518 59.1 3546 6.8 24 8 34 88.9
2004 NO 309 542 57 3810 7 21 16 41 79.5
2005 NO 240 431 55.7 2882 6.7 13 17 33 70
2006 OAK 110 192 57.3 1105 5.8 3 8 26 61.7
Totals: 1673 2963 56.5 20261 6.8 123 92 235 78.5


CAREER RUSHING STATS
Year Team Rush Yds Avg Lg TD 1st Stf YdL Fum FbL
2000 NO 41 170 4.1 29 2 14 9 26 2 1
2001 NO 80 358 4.5 26 1 24 8 22 9 2
2002 NO 62 253 4.1 21 2 21 11 14 2 0
2003 NO 54 175 3.2 15 2 20 9 15 5 4
2004 NO 58 173 3 15 4 14 13 37 6 1
2005 NO 45 281 6.2 22 2 19 4 9 2 1
2006 OAK 22 124 5.6 23 0 5 1 1 4 2
Totals: 362 1534 4.2 29 13 117 55 124 30 11

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/players/4781/index.html#ixzz2emDJUoSv

[Simply Red]

He looked slow. His ability to think quickly looked bad.

he's a rookie you imbecile.

[BossChief]

If his receivers catch half of those dropped passes, he probably has a sizable lead and those picks at the end never happen.

Anybody that couldnt see the upside in Geno is blind and should stop posting

[Bootlegged]

David Klingler


Year Team G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Int% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck SckY Rate

1997 Oakland Raiders 1 7 4 57.1 7.0 27 3.9 27.0 0 0.0 1 14.3 8 0 0 0 0 26.2

1996 Oakland Raiders 1 24 10 41.7 24.0 87 3.6 87.0 0 0.0 0 0.0 20 1 0 4 16 51.9

1995 Cincinnati Bengals 3 15 7 46.7 5.0 88 5.9 29.3 1 6.7 1 6.7 33 2 0 1 10 59.9

1994 Cincinnati Bengals 10 231 131 56.7 23.1 1,327 5.7 132.7 6 2.6 9 3.9 56 15 4 24 165 65.7

1993 Cincinnati Bengals 14 343 190 55.4 24.5 1,935 5.6 138.2 6 1.7 9 2.6 51 26 3 40 202 66.6

1992 Cincinnati Bengals 4 98 47 48.0 24.5 530 5.4 132.5 3 3.1 2 2.0 83T 3 1 18 146 66.3

TOTAL 33 718 389 54.2 21.8 3,994 5.6 121.0 16 2.2 22 3.1 83 47 8 87 539 65.1

Rushing

[mlyonsd]

He did pretty good on the reads. However I doubt they can teach accuracy. No sign of anything remotely elite yet. Mediocre performance, on to next week.

[Chief Roundup]

If his receivers catch half of those dropped passes, he probably has a sizable lead and those picks at the end never happen.

Anybody that couldnt see the upside in Geno is blind and should stop posting

Hmm...It wasn't that long ago that we were being told that it was the QB that made the difference in whether a WR catches a ball or not. That was the reason WR's would do good with Manning and others and couldn't make it with other QB's. So those drops somewhat belong on Geno as well.

Anyone that can't see that Geno is RAW and not ready to start in the NFL and was not worthy of the 1.1 pick should stop posting.

[Bootlegged]

Geno holds the ball longer than Big Ben and doesn't have any awareness. He will be out of the league in 4 years.

[Dayze]

I'm not a Geno ballwasher, but he pretty much performed how most (outside of CP and the Jets fans) would expect him to. Safe passes (with the exception of a few bone head double covered throws) etc; factor in the rain, short week, on the road against a division rival who has beaten the Jets 4 (now 5) straight times....

Dude absolutely needs to gain clock awareness when he drops back. He has a lot to improve upon but I think it's worth it for the Jets to see how high his ceiling is and worth the growing pains. He's only played 2 games FFS. I would be different if that game was mid-way through his 2nd year or 3rd year.

[Red Gorilla]

All I saw was from the last 5 minutes of the 3rd quarter to the end of the game. Was he that bad all day?

[Sandy Vagina]

All I saw was from the last 5 minutes of the 3rd quarter to the end of the game. Was he that bad all day?

He made a few nice throws early on... maybe 5 or 6 overall passes to be pleased with. A couple deep completions were a little off, but dreadful DB coverage allowed them. Took way too many stupid sacks... many of his "dropped" passes were inaccurate and poorly placed (in the rain, at that).

He showed a little promise, but there were so many WTF plays as the game went along that really took away from feeling like he will really be good any time soon. He still could be something... but it all comes down to how he deals with the pressure of NY and team expectations. Maybe he will stay strong, mentally.. but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he melts down and doesn't progress into anything much.

[BigCatDaddy]

Dipshit of Dunder LMAO

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Yes, we really wanted him.

[taterhog]

3 worst NFL franchises post season wise is KC, Cleveland, and Detroit. What do all 3 teams have in common? Shitty qb's through out that time. 2+2. Its not hard

Two of those three teams also have QB's on their roster they drafted in the first round. Reaching for a QB in the draft doesn't always equal success.

[Rausch]

Two of those three teams also have QB's on their roster they drafted in the first round. Reaching for a QB in the draft doesn't always equal success.

One of them has thrown for 4k and 5k yards the last two seasons...

[BigCatDaddy]

One of them has thrown for 4k and 5k yards the last two seasons...

Everyone knows 25 year old 300 yard a game passing machines are a dime a dozen.

(Wait's for it all Megatron excuse)

[HemiEd]

He's a rookie he did make some really good throw that our captain check down can't. He has room to get better and I think he will. Smith is maxed out he will never get better.

Exactly

[Wildcat2005]

Geno was OK in the first half
Held on to the ball too long at times
Bailed from the pocket when he had protection

Common mistakes you see among rookies

But he also threw a couple really nice passes as well, showed a glimpse of his talent

But his second half was awful.

Those last two interceptions were just really really bad passes

[BigCatDaddy]

Geno was OK in the first half
Held on to the ball too long at times
Bailed from the pocket when he had protection

Common mistakes you see among rookies

But he also threw a couple really nice passes as well, showed a glimpse of his talent

But his second half was awful.

Those last two interceptions were just really really bad passes

We really aren't interested in the truth here. You must be new.

[O.city]

He pretty much showed exactly what everyone said pre draft. Talented, but not near ready to start yet

[the Talking Can]

Name this player:

2nd game of career
Lost at New England 6-29
188 yards
1td
3ints
51.1 QB rating

lost first 4 games of career with a td/int ratio of 3/11
-

it happens to rookie QBs

but Chiefs Fans are just True Fans, so we'll never have one...
-

and just for shits, Alex Smith lost the first 5 games he started with a td/int ratio of 0/10

0tds
10ints

in 3 of those games he threw for less than 100 yards
he didn't throw for more than 200 yards ever in his rookie season
he threw 1 td in 7 starts as a rookie

and you all are on your knees sucking his crank now

[Sandy Vagina]

deflection iz swell.. ;)

It isn't about if a player begins crappy... it is how or if he fights through it to become good. There's no question that Geno is pretty crappy right now. The question is, does he have the resilience to progress into a good QB? Only time will tell... but it's fair for most to doubt that... given what we have learned about his mentality, and the current NYJ team/coaches.

[Hammock Parties]

Name this player:

2nd game of career
Lost at New England 6-29
188 yards
1td
3ints
51.1 QB rating

lost first 4 games of career with a td/int ratio of 3/11
-

it happens to rookie QBs

but Chiefs Fans are just True Fans, so we'll never have one...
-

and just for shits, Alex Smith lost the first 5 games he started with a td/int ratio of 0/10

0tds
10ints

in 3 of those games he threw for less than 100 yards
he didn't throw for more than 200 yards ever in his rookie season
he threw 1 td in 7 starts as a rookie

and you all are on your knees sucking his crank now

That's Peyton Manning.

I like what Geno is doing so far.

Did he fuck up and blow the game? Pretty much. He killed two potential game winning drives.

But he was going for the jugular.

That's what I like about him. In fact, it was awesome he wasn't gun shy after that first pick.

He'll get it fixed. He's too fucking smart.

[the Talking Can]

deflection iz swell.. ;)

It isn't about if a player begins crappy... it is how he fights through it to become good. There's no question that Geno is pretty crappy right now. The question is, does he have the resilience to progress into a good QB? Only time will tell... but it's fair for most to doubt that... given what we have learned about his mentality, and the current NYJ team/coaches.

the notion that a moron like you knows anything about 'his mentality' is about as likely as emo maverick not having alex smith's penis in his colon...

[Sandy Vagina]

the notion that a moron like you knows anything about 'his mentality' is about as likely as emo maverick not having alex smith's penis in his colon...

sigh.. charming and eloquent as CP gets. :)

[O.city]

So blast everyone for mentioning Brees when trading for qbs is discussed, but every qb now that's drafted is Peyton manning?


Yeah, no.

He may end up good, he may not, but that's crazy talk

[O.city]

That's Peyton Manning.

I like what Geno is doing so far.

Did he **** up and blow the game? Pretty much. He killed two potential game winning drives.

But he was going for the jugular.

That's what I like about him. In fact, it was awesome he wasn't gun shy after that first pick.

He'll get it fixed. He's too ****ing smart.

He threw it deep!!!!

Always works

[the Talking Can]

So blast everyone for mentioning Brees when trading for qbs is discussed, but every qb now that's drafted is Peyton manning?


Yeah, no.

He may end up good, he may not, but that's crazy talk

who said "every QB that is drafted is peyton manning?"

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Peyton Manning as a rookie might as well be a different era. Stupid.

[BigCatDaddy]

He threw it deep!!!!

Always works

No, but I think it's easier to get a guy to dial it back than it is to get a guy to cut it loose.

[O.city]

who said "every QB that is drafted is peyton manning?"

Excuse me, every times rookie struggles, we hear "so did manning".

Of course he's a rookie and he will struggle. That's the reason he needs/needed to sit and learn and work on his mechanics

[the Talking Can]

Peyton Manning as a rookie might as well be a different era. Stupid.

so what era was alex smith's rookie season?

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

so what era was alex smith's rookie season?

He was terrible regardless of era. He's now below average-average. Yay for us. Hopefully Geno can make similar strides.

[Hammock Parties]

That's the reason he needs/needed to sit and learn and work on his mechanics

Disagree completely.

Biggest issue for Geno right now is the game is a little too fast.

His head is spinning.

He needs to play to get used to it.

[the Talking Can]

Excuse me, every times rookie struggles, we hear "so did manning".

Of course he's a rookie and he will struggle. That's the reason he needs/needed to sit and learn and work on his mechanics

all rookie QBs struggle

it's an obvious point, but one that apparently has to be pointed out to Chiefs fans...

if struggling as a rookie was proof of failure, then why the hell is alex smith our QB and why the hell are people excited about him?

he had one of the most embarrassing rookie seasons short of ryan leaf

[O.city]

Disagree completely.

Biggest issue for Geno right now is the game is a little too fast.

His head is spinning.

He needs to play to get used to it.

His lower body is still bad, he doesn't step into throws like he should, which is why Balls tend to flutter and hes missing. hiss accuracy was shit last night. He's slow with reads, late on everything right now.

But I wouldn't expect you to think/see any of that, as you thought he was decent/good last night.

[Bearcat]

I'll never understand why some people are so afraid of drafting a QB in the first round if there's "no Andrew Luck in this draft" or he's not guaranteed to be the next Peyton Manning.

It's only been 4 decades of retreads, I think that's enough time to evaluate that strategy. At least the Jets are trying a proven strategy.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

all rookie QBs struggle

it's an obvious point, but one that apparently has to be pointed out to Chiefs fans...

if struggling as a rookie was proof of failure, then why the hell is alex smith our QB and why the hell are people excited about him?

he had one of the most embarrassing rookie seasons short of ryan leaf

Blame Newton, Sanchez, and Bradford. Solid first years and then no indication of ever reaching elite status. Even a solid rookie campaign is no guarantee for success. I don't fault guys for doubting Geno.

[the Talking Can]

His lower body is still bad, he doesn't step into throws like he should, which is why Balls tend to flutter and hes missing. hiss accuracy was shit last night. He's slow with reads, late on everything right now.

But I wouldn't expect you to think/see any of that, as you thought he was decent/good last night.

what did you expect from a rookie QB in his 2nd game ever?

[Marcellus]

I'll never understand why some people are so afraid of drafting a QB in the first round if there's "no Andrew Luck in this draft" or he's not guaranteed to be the next Peyton Manning.

It's only been 4 decades of retreads, I think that's enough time to evaluate that strategy. At least the Jets are trying a proven strategy.

Strange I thought Geno was second rounder.

[the Talking Can]

Blame Newton, Sanchez, and Bradford. Solid first years and then no indication of ever reaching elite status. Even a solid rookie campaign is no guarantee for success. I don't fault guys for doubting Geno.

no, Chiefs fans hate and fear rookie QBs


we know that without argument

[Marcellus]

what did you expect from a rookie QB in his 2nd game ever?

Are we talking a rookie that some think we should have drafted at 1.1 or are you talking about a guy taken high in the 2nd and is a project?

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

no, Chiefs fans hate and fear rookie QBs


we know that without argument

Just Homers defending their team. If we ever fucking drafted one, most would be sticking up for that QB

[O.city]

what did you expect from a rookie QB in his 2nd game ever?

About what he did.

Which is why I wasn't all up in arms when we didn't take him at 1.1.

He's a nice prospect and I really wish we could have had him sit behind Alex for a year or two, but I'll make due with bray

[Marcellus]

no, Chiefs fans hate and fear rookie QBs


we know that without argument

That is so ****ing stupid.

How can you even prove that statement when Chief's fans haven't had one to hate and fear for 30 years?

[the Talking Can]

About what he did.

Which is why I wasn't all up in arms when we didn't take him at 1.1.

He's a nice prospect and I really wish we could have had him sit behind Alex for a year or two, but I'll make due with bray

i don't know what those non-sequitur have to with anything

[the Talking Can]

That is so ****ing stupid.

How can you even prove that statement when Chief's fans haven't had one to hate and fear for 30 years?

every post on this board for years by True Fan losers like you

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

That is so ****ing stupid.

How can you even prove that statement when Chief's fans haven't had one to hate and fear for 30 years?

Exactly. It's just homers being homers. There would be genuine excitement if a QB was ever drafted in the 1st.

[ILChief]

What I don't want to get saddled with is an Andy Dalton. Young enough to where he will be there ten years. Not bad enough to replace, not good enough to win anything.

[Bearcat]

Strange I thought Geno was second rounder.

I actually had (or 2nd), but it got lost in editing... my point was they've been trying forever with Geno, Sanchez, Pennington, etc... and it's not like they're any worse off. Yet, like the OP and other agenda-pushers, some are so desperate to trash Geno just to go against anyone who thought the Chiefs should have drafted him. Oh, the horror...

[the Talking Can]

so, since this game is proof Geno sucks...oh wait, that was the 3rd preseason game: bust


how is it our Franchise Win Now QB is now Alex Smith, whose rookie season makes Ryan Leaf look like John Elway?

[O.city]

I actually had (or 2nd), but it got lost in editing... my point was they've been trying forever with Geno, Sanchez, Pennington, etc... and it's not like they're any worse off. Yet, like the OP and other agenda-pushers, some are so desperate to trash Geno just to go against anyone who thought the Chiefs should have drafted him. Oh, the horror...

That goes both ways though.

I really liked geno in the draft, but all the shit said here (true or false) has made me really enjoy slinging some shit at a certain few. It shows too how people will give one guy the benefit of the doubt, crucify one guy etc.

For instance, last night, geno had 96 yards passing ad 1 fg drive at the half, and some were anointing him better than x or y.

If Alex smith did that, the server would die if aids

[Bearcat]

That is so ****ing stupid.

How can you even prove that statement when Chief's fans haven't had one to hate and fear for 30 years?

I've always had the feeling that a lot of Chiefs fans couldn't handle a rookie QB... there's always seemed to be this comfort associated with retread QBs, and some people go to great lengths to point out every little flaw of young QBs. Granted, the the meltdowns on this board aren't really indicative of the entire fanbase, but I'm certain there would be several "this guy isn't working out" threads after every loss.

Hell, I think it was the 2nd or 3rd week of presason and someone posted something like "I think we've seen all we need to from Geno to know he's a bust." LMAO

[hawkchief]

Poor Geno has the same clueless blank stare that those on here, who are fans of his, have. Geno looks like he has the IQ of a door knob. Only figures he'd have a lot of followers here.

Good job of staying away from this fail, Dorsey.

[Chief Roundup]

I bag on Geno and his "followers" on here. It is not because I don't want, or am afraid of 1st round QBs. I didn't and still don't believe that Geno was worth a first round draft pick. I have wanted several other QBs before they were drafted. But I am selective. I do not seem to find a QB in every draft that I like or think will be good.
I think the reason for a lot of the QB draft hate stuff that has been going on here is because some posters have lost that perspective. They think there is a great QB in every draft, every year. And year in and year out that any other poster doesn't agree they get unfairly labeled or treated poorly . Until those posters lose their desperation and come back to the reality of QBs and the NFL there will always be this issue on cheifsplanet. Better get use to it.

[Bearcat]

That goes both ways though.

I really liked geno in the draft, but all the shit said here (true or false) has made me really enjoy slinging some shit at a certain few. It shows too how people will give one guy the benefit of the doubt, crucify one guy etc.

For instance, last night, geno had 96 yards passing ad 1 fg drive at the half, and some were anointing him better than x or y.

If Alex smith did that, the server would die if aids

True, you can't really have one without the other, and it's why the conversations are often so mind numbing... it's all black or white, mostly agenda driven, and like politics or religion, arguing just further entrenches people in their opinion.

In the end though, it doesn't really matter if Geno becomes a star or not, and it doesn't make anyone right or wrong. It's not rocket science... had Aaron Rodgers failed, the Packers would have kept trying, and it doesn't mean they shouldn't have tried in the first place. If Geno fails, the Jets will try again, as they should. Sure, any organization wants to do their homework, find someone who fits the system, etc; but waiting for the next (supposedly) guaranteed star isn't the answer.

[Bearcat]

Poor Geno has the same clueless blank stare that those on here, who are fans of his, have. Geno looks like he has the IQ of a door knob. Only figures he'd have a lot of followers here.

Good job of staying away from this fail, Dorsey.

I've heard people say he's not smart enough to be an NFL QB, but he scored 26 on the Wonderlic. :shrug:

[the Talking Can]

That goes both ways though.

I really liked geno in the draft, but all the shit said here (true or false) has made me really enjoy slinging some shit at a certain few. It shows too how people will give one guy the benefit of the doubt, crucify one guy etc.

For instance, last night, geno had 96 yards passing ad 1 fg drive at the half, and some were anointing him better than x or y.

If Alex smith did that, the server would die if aids

because Alex Smith is a 8 year veteran, who was acquired for the explicit purpose of winning now, and Geno Smith is a rookie playing his second game

does that really require pointing out?

[BIG_DADDY]

If Alex smith did that, the server would die if aids

I was more anti-Alex than anything. Geno looks like a QB starting his first 2 games in the league. It's way too early to be comparing him to Alex Smith.

[BIG_DADDY]

does that really require pointing out?

Apparently, that was really a WOW moment for me as well.

[Sandy Vagina]

because Alex Smith is a 8 year veteran, who was acquired for the explicit purpose of winning now, and Geno Smith is a rookie playing his second game

does that really require pointing out?

What happened to "excuses" ??? That guys like Luck and Wilson are stepping right in and kicking ass? Oh, I see... that only works when people try to defend Alex for being a 20 yr old Urban Meyer QB going straight into a first year WCO in SF with undeniably terrible talent around him. :doh!:

Hypocrisy FTW!

[BossChief]

KC fans:

All we need out of the first pick in the draft is an average right tackle that after a few years becomes pretty good but quarterbacks are busts after 2 games

[the Talking Can]

What happened to "excuses" ??? That guys like Luck and Wilson are stepping right in and kicking ass? Oh, I see... that only works when people try to defend Alex for being a 20 yr old Urban Meyer QB going straight into a first year WCO in SF with undeniably terrible talent around him. :doh!:

Hypocrisy FTW!

jesus, you 49er fans are so embarrassingly stupid...

[the Talking Can]

KC fans:

All we need out of the first pick in the draft is an average right tackle that after a few years becomes pretty good but quarterbacks are busts after 2 games

nope

he was a bust after 1 preseason game

Alex Smith was not a bust after years of sucking shit...

that's how it works for the True Fan

[O.city]

KC fans:

All we need out of the first pick in the draft is an average right tackle that after a few years becomes pretty good but quarterbacks are busts after 2 games

Yeah, good thing geno didn't go to Oakland, right?

[Sandy Vagina]

jesus, you 49er fans are so embarrassingly stupid...

haha, that's right. When caught in a corner, lash out at the poster... not the point. :)

[O.city]

I don't think the majority here think the guy is a bust after 2 games. That's asinine. I think most of it is backlash from the great geno battles and its kind of just pure fun to sling some shit towards one side or the other.

Same as we heard from clay and the other dude after last weeks game, this is the other side of the coin.

[O.city]

I think it's pretty obvious that luck, Wilson, rgIII are the exceptions, not the rule.

There's going to be a learning curve with any player

[BIG_DADDY]

haha, that's right. When caught in a corner, lash out at the poster... not the point. :)

Nobody ever thought that Geno was Luck or Kaepernick. I don't know anyone who didn't easily recognize that he was going to need some work and time to develop in this league.

[Sandy Vagina]

Nobody ever thought that Geno was Luck or Kaepernick. I don't know anyone who didn't easily recognize that he was going to need some work and time to develop in this league.

Oh, I don't disagree with you.. nor do I prematurely condemn Geno as a bust.

As O.City stated here recently, this is just some fun backlash coming at those who deserve it and then some. No one really felt Alex should have been 1.1 either... no way did anyone (except idiot coaches in SF) think he should be playing in year 1. Still went 1.1 due to a weak draft, and that's still where some KC fans would take Geno in hindsight to this day.

Bottom line is, people make excuses for QBs they like... and then turn right around and mock others for doing it for other QBs. So deep down, I think they know that often enough.. "excuses" are actually legitimate reasons for QB struggles. In other words, the same people excusing Geno would turn right back around and mock Alex for sucking as a rookie on an even worse team. Go figure.

[Whosurdaddy]

nope

he was a bust after 1 preseason game

Alex Smith was not a bust after years of sucking shit...

that's how it works for the True Fan

That's cool, we should have definitely put the investment in drafting a second round caliber quarterback at 1.1 and then commit a minimum of 4-5 years to allow him to cut his teeth and mature on a team with significant talent at several other positions and a limited window. Clearly signing a quarterback like Alex who has already gone through his rounds of stupidity and mismanagement and has came out on the other side relatively polished is going to be the end of the franchise. Reid has always had a problem keeping quarterback talent around the starter in past seasons.

If we would have had 1.1 the year before we would be sitting with Luck or possibly RGIII and nobody would be opposed to it, but many many people thought Geno wasn't near that class of player. If there is anything that I can sympathize with it's not taking a QB in the best QB draft in years (the year before). That true fan shit in reference to geno is nothing but bitching and moaning about any young quarterback that looks good and excuses for any that appear to never pan out. It's just an excuse to whine be overly negative all the time. Jesus Christ you guys are nothing but weeping gashes, I swear to God.

[BossChief]

I don't think the majority here think the guy is a bust after 2 games. That's asinine. I think most of it is backlash from the great geno battles and its kind of just pure fun to sling some shit towards one side or the other.

Same as we heard from clay and the other dude after last weeks game, this is the other side of the coin.

If you watched the game, you know that if Genos receivers catch HALF of the drops, NY wins that game and it's not even close.

I expected Bill Billichek to have Geno rattled early and until the end, Geno handled the situation extremely well.

Love the double standards, though.

[Eleazar]

There is no way to spin 15/35, 200 yards, 0 TD, 3 INT, and throwing the pick that lost the game. No way to spin it.

That's ok. He is a rookie. He may become (snark) a super bowl winning QB whom we should have picked at #1 overall instead of the middle of the second round.

But he sure as hell has not arrived, and he is not anywhere near Alex Smith yet, as the Gena fluffers would have you believe.

[BigCatDaddy]

There is no way to spin 15/35, 200 yards, 0 TD, 3 INT, and throwing the pick that lost the game. No way to spin it.

That's ok. He is a rookie. He may become (snark) a super bowl winning QB whom we should have picked at #1 overall instead of the middle of the second round.

But he sure as hell has not arrived, and he is not anywhere near Alex Smith yet, as the Gena fluffers would have you believe.

Peyton Manning threw 3 picks in the opening 5 minutes of a game last year and Brees threw 5 in a game last year and both had much more talent the Geno. I'll probably give him a few more games before saying he isn't as good as Alice is right now. He obviously can make some throws we will never see Alice make, but he is also making some poor decisions Alice probably won't make at this point in his career either.

[Saccopoo]

Nobody ever thought that Geno was Luck or Kaepernick. I don't know anyone who didn't easily recognize that he was going to need some work and time to develop in this league.

Only two or three guys on this board thought Kaepernick was going to be Kaepernick.

I remember talking him up as a potential draft pick on the Draft Planet and people gave me shit. "Mountain West guy." "Spread monkey." "Gimmick player."

My, how times have changed...

[Eleazar]

Peyton Manning threw 3 picks in the opening 5 minutes of a game last year and Brees threw 5 in a game last year and both had much more talent the Geno. I'll probably give him a few more games before saying he isn't as good as Alice is right now. He obviously can make some throws we will never see Alice make, but he is also making some poor decisions Alice probably won't make either.

Manning and Brees are known quantites in the NFL.

Smith hasnt shown anything, in the preseason or regular season.

He may turn out to be great, but thus far there is no reason to suspect it.

[BigCatDaddy]

Manning and Brees are known quantites in the NFL.

Smith hasnt shown anything, in the preseason or regular season.

He may turn out to be great, but thus far there is no reason to suspect it.

Right, so a wait and see approach is probably best for an unknown quanitity that has flashed both brillance and Casselness.

[BIG_DADDY]

But he sure as hell has not arrived, and he is not anywhere near Alex Smith yet, as the Gena fluffers would have you believe.

I don't know why this keeps coming up. Nobody expected him to be anywhere near where Alex is at this moment.

[Eleazar]

Right, so a wait and see approach is probably best for an unknown quanitity that has flashed both brillance and Casselness.

"Brilliance" two years ago against the Big East doesn't seem to be worth much today, does it?

[saphojunkie]

Only two or three guys on this board thought Kaepernick was going to be Kaepernick.

I remember talking him up as a potential draft pick on the Draft Planet and people gave me shit. "Mountain West guy." "Spread monkey." "Gimmick player."

My, how times have changed...

I was with you. I believed wholeheartedly in Kaepernick because of how quick his release was. After watching Cassel for three years, I knew that getting the ball out with velocity and immediacy was paramount.

[Marcellus]

There is no way to spin 15/35, 200 yards, 0 TD, 3 INT, and throwing the pick that lost the game. No way to spin it.

That's ok. He is a rookie. He may become (snark) a super bowl winning QB whom we should have picked at #1 overall instead of the middle of the second round.

But he sure as hell has not arrived, and he is not anywhere near Alex Smith yet, as the Gena fluffers would have you believe.

Geno has little chance of winning a SB because he is not a 1st round QB.

I have continually heard from Clay and many others that your best chance is to have a 1st round QB. This has been stated over and over and over again.

Pretty ironic.

At least our QB is a first rounder and former #1 overall. :D

[DaneMcCloud]

Peyton Manning threw 3 picks in the opening 5 minutes of a game last year and Brees threw 5 in a game last year and both had much more talent the Geno. I'll probably give him a few more games before saying he isn't as good as Alice is right now. He obviously can make some throws we will never see Alice make, but he is also making some poor decisions Alice probably won't make at this point in his career either.

What a fuck load of bullshit.

Geno Smith is not in any way, shape or form, Peyton Manning.

[Marcellus]

I don't know why this keeps coming up. Nobody expected him to be anywhere near where Alex is at this moment.

You think the guys banging the table to draft him 1.1 overall knew he was this much of a project?

[O.city]

If you watched the game, you know that if Genos receivers catch HALF of the drops, NY wins that game and it's not even close.

I expected Bill Billichek to have Geno rattled early and until the end, Geno handled the situation extremely well.

Love the double standards, though.

What double standard?

The wrs did drop a few, but genos accuracy and timing were a factor in the drops.

[Marcellus]

I've always had the feeling that a lot of Chiefs fans couldn't handle a rookie QB... there's always seemed to be this comfort associated with retread QBs, and some people go to great lengths to point out every little flaw of young QBs. Granted, the the meltdowns on this board aren't really indicative of the entire fanbase, but I'm certain there would be several "this guy isn't working out" threads after every loss.

Hell, I think it was the 2nd or 3rd week of presason and someone posted something like "I think we've seen all we need to from Geno to know he's a bust." LMAO

I wouldnt argue any of this really.

Thing is to make statements that people like me for example don't want to or are "afraid" to draft a QB in round 1 is stupid.

I would have been ecstatic to get 3 or 4 of the guys form the last few drafts.

Because I disliked every QB in this weak ass draft class doesn't mean I don't want to draft and develop a guy.

The problem with this place is everything is an absolute to most posters. Black and white.Reality is always in between. Little reality here.

Not wanting a Geno or a Sanchez as my QB doesn't mean I don't want a Luck, RGII, Tannehill, Ryan or a myriad of other QB's.

And for the record I don't think the Jets are further ahead than they were pre Sanchez at this point because of WHO they drafted.

[BossChief]

Manning and Brees are known quantites in the NFL.

Smith hasnt shown anything, in the preseason or regular season.

He may turn out to be great, but thus far there is no reason to suspect it.

Hahaha

If you truly watched the game and believe the bolded part of your post, you don't know what you are watching.

Sorry

[O.city]

Hahaha

If you truly watched the game and believe the bolded part of your post, you don't know what you are watching.

Sorry

This is true.


But, like djln said in the game thread, if you watched the game and thought he was good, you didn't know what you were watching.

[BIG_DADDY]

You think the guys banging the table to draft him 1.1 overall knew he was this much of a project?

What is this much? That was a miserable game to QB in and only he second game and it was against the Pats. You act like he is in his 3rd season.

[The Franchise]

You think the guys banging the table to draft him 1.1 overall knew he was this much of a project?

I know a bunch of the posters who wanted him at 1.1.....wanted him to sit his 1st year.

[The Poz]

I'd gladly take A. Smith over our last starting 7 QB's.

Brady Quinn
Matt Cassel
Kyle Orton
Tyler Palko
Brodie Croyle
Damon Huard
Tyler Thigpen

[Mav]

I think it's pretty obvious that luck, Wilson, rgIII are the exceptions, not the rule.

There's going to be a learning curve with any player

Ironically enough, there are several people that think that Luck is overrated. They think that because of his interceptions last year that hes a bust.

Some people just don't understand football. They don't understand that of all the situations besides Brandon Weeden he was placed in the most difficult with the least amount to work with.

New coaching staff completely, changing defensive schemes, porous oline, weak running backs, two rookie tight ends, and then on top of all that, immediately into the season your new head coach pops cancer leaving your OFFENSIVE coordinator to run the whole team taking away from Lucks development.

It AMAZES me how quickly people want to judge these young qbs without factoring in all FACTORS.

[Mav]

I know a bunch of the posters who wanted him at 1.1.....wanted him to sit his 1st year.

Would of been awesome for him to sit and learn behind Alex.

I still maintain that Bray doing the same thing, that the talent level and upside between Geno and Bray is close enough that its neither here nor there.

[DaneMcCloud]

What is this much? That was a miserable game to QB in and only he second game and it was against the Pats. You act like he is in his 3rd season.


Contrast Smith's play to that of E.J. Manuel and tell me which QB appeared to be ready to lead an NFL team and which isn't ready to lead an NFL team.

[Bearcat]

I wouldnt argue any of this really.

Thing is to make statements that people like me for example don't want to or are "afraid" to draft a QB in round 1 is stupid.

I would have been ecstatic to get 3 or 4 of the guys form the last few drafts.

Because I disliked every QB in this weak ass draft class doesn't mean I don't want to draft and develop a guy.

The problem with this place is everything is an absolute to most posters. Black and white.Reality is always in between. Little reality here.

Not wanting a Geno or a Sanchez as my QB doesn't mean I don't want a Luck, RGII, Tannehill, Ryan or a myriad of other QB's.

And for the record I don't think the Jets are further ahead than they were pre Sanchez at this point because of WHO they drafted.

I completely agree, and it's mind numbing to read... like I said, people will trip over their children and kick their dog on the way to their computer if they are anti-Geno and he throws one pick or are pro-Geno and he makes one good throw.

As far as people being afraid to draft a QB, it's obviously not everyone, and people will always have differing opinions on different guys in the draft... there's just so much impatience with some people, and like you said, a lot of it is in black and white. I think of a normal meltdown after a loss and cringe at the though of adding a rookie QB into the mix... again, it's not indicative of the fanbase in general (or at least I hope not), but say they had Geno and Alex Smith (or another vet who is good enough to get by but might be a backup on another team) right now and Geno won the job... it would test the patience of this place more than anything else in the past decade, and it's not even close.

[BIG_DADDY]

This is true.


But, like djln said in the game thread, if you watched the game and thought he was good, you didn't know what you were watching.

Alex has a good head and is a check down QB. Occasionally he looks great going down field but that is the exception rather than the rule. Alex is a very known commodity. It really comes down to what you wanted when the decision was made. You were going with that or you were rolling the dice with Geno in hopes that as he developed you would have much more upside. Truth is we are not any closer to knowing if that upside exists now as we were back then.

[DaneMcCloud]

I know a bunch of the posters who wanted him at 1.1.....wanted him to sit his 1st year.

Which, of course, is virtually impossible.

No NFL team is drafting a guy at 1.1 with the intention of sitting him for an entire season.

[BossChief]

This is true.


But, like djln said in the game thread, if you watched the game and thought he was good, you didn't know what you were watching.

I expected him to go into foxborough and look like a rookie quarterback that's in over his head. I also said that he should have sat his first year...

I saw a rookie go into that place and do what should have been enough to win.

I saw a kid play very well for 2/3 of the game for a rookie in his second start in one of the toughest places to play in the NFL...the other 1/3, he looked like a rookie that's in over his head.

FFS SOME OF YOU DON'T HAVE AND PATIENCE.

[Mav]

Contrast Smith's play to that of E.J. Manuel and tell me which QB appeared to be ready to lead an NFL team and which isn't ready to lead an NFL team.

The biggest difference is that Ej Manuel is Doug Marrones hand picked qb.

Rex Ryan is a staunch Mark Sanchez supporter and never really wanted Geno Smith.

Also the offensive coaching is a lot better in Buffalo as well.

[BIG_DADDY]

Contrast Smith's play to that of E.J. Manuel and tell me which QB appeared to be ready to lead an NFL team and which isn't ready to lead an NFL team.

Knowing what I know right now if I could go back in time I still would have selected Geno over Alex especially with our front line. That being said I wish Alex the very best and hope we start looking for our own Kaepernick to replace him with.

[DaneMcCloud]

FFS SOME OF YOU DON'T HAVE AND PATIENCE.

Why should Chiefs fans have patience with the New York Jets starting QB?

[Mav]

Knowing what I know right now if I could go back in time I still would have selected Geno over Alex especially with our front line. That being said I wish Alex the very best and hope we start looking for our own Kaepernick to replace him with.

Bray, TYLER BRAY.......

[The Franchise]

Bray, TYLER BRAY.......

Bray is going to take 2-3 years if he even succeeds. I honestly think that you sit Geno for a year and he'll be good to go in year 2.

[BossChief]

Why should Chiefs fans have patience with the New York Jets starting QB?

Because KC might actually draft a QB sometime and growing pains are to be expected with rookie quarterbacks.

[DaneMcCloud]

Knowing what I know right now if I could go back in time I still would have selected Geno over Alex especially with our front line. That being said I wish Alex the very best and hope we start looking for our own Kaepernick to replace him with.

Well, first off, the Chiefs offensive line is a work in progress. Allen doesn't appear comfortable at guard, Hudson appears better suited at guard, Asamoah is injured and Fisher is a work in progress. There were no inside running lanes for Charles last Sunday and the interior will need to play much better if the Chiefs are going to beat solid teams.

Smith over Manuel? Seriously? Manuel has ideal size, above average arm strength, great leadership skills and is a very high character guy. He played well against the same Patriot team throwing two TD's and no INT's.

Smith on the other hand is showing the same exact issues as Pre-draft. Inaccurate long ball, questionable decision making, over-throwing intermediate routes and a serious lack of pocket presence.

[Mosbonian]

Because KC might actually draft a QB sometime and growing pains are to be expected with rookie quarterbacks.

Honestly....I think that some of the people who want us to draft a rookie QB say they have the patience to watch them grow, but in reality would be some of the first people to complain if they didn't have a good first year.

[DaneMcCloud]

The biggest difference is that Ej Manuel is Doug Marrones hand picked qb.

Rex Ryan is a staunch Mark Sanchez supporter and never really wanted Geno Smith.

Also the offensive coaching is a lot better in Buffalo as well.

:facepalm:

[O.city]

I expected him to go into foxborough and look like a rookie quarterback that's in over his head. I also said that he should have sat his first year...

I saw a rookie go into that place and do what should have been enough to win.

I saw a kid play very well for 2/3 of the game for a rookie in his second start in one of the toughest places to play in the NFL...the other 1/3, he looked like a rookie that's in over his head.

FFS SOME OF YOU DON'T HAVE AND PATIENCE.

Play well?

Sorry, but if that's te way you feel, you didn't know what you were watching. He was billed to have outstanding accuracy, an last night, he was just a bit off all game.

[DaneMcCloud]

Because KC might actually draft a QB sometime and growing pains are to be expected with rookie quarterbacks.

You do realize that 99.99% of all Chiefs fans couldn't give a fuck about the New York Jets, right?

[Mav]

Bray is going to take 2-3 years if he even succeeds. I honestly think that you sit Geno for a year and he'll be good to go in year 2.

I disagree completely.

Brays learning curve is not nearly going to be that long with the support system he has around him.

I agree that maybe Geno would be ahead of Bray if he had been able to sit behind Sanchez to at least start the year.

I think Smiths footwork, and understanding of coverages is a lot better than Brays.

But, Geno has a huge problem that is already hard to correct.

His pocket awareness, is next to ZERO.

He doesn't EVER look to run.

he needs to start watching tape of Russell Wilson, ASAP.

[Mav]

:facepalm:

was there something incorrect that I said?

For christs sake. Rex Ryan, has a TATTOO OF HIS WIFE WEARING A MARK SANCHEZ jersey.

You have the GM of the Jets, telling the MEDIA, that he will have a huge say in who the qb of the team is.

If he hadn't got him hurt, Mark Sanchez was going to be the qb of the Jets this season.

Even though the talent is clear that Geno Smith today is a better qb than Mark Sanchez. Rex is married to Mark.

[The Franchise]

I disagree completely.

Brays learning curve is not nearly going to be that long with the support system he has around him.

I agree that maybe Geno would be ahead of Bray if he had been able to sit behind Sanchez to at least start the year.

I think Smiths footwork, and understanding of coverages is a lot better than Brays.

But, Geno has a huge problem that is already hard to correct.

His pocket awareness, is next to ZERO.

He doesn't EVER look to run.

he needs to start watching tape of Russell Wilson, ASAP.

Did you watch ZERO of his college games?

[BossChief]

Play well?

Sorry, but if that's te way you feel, you didn't know what you were watching. He was billed to have outstanding accuracy, an last night, he was just a bit off all game.

I clearly said he was good for a rookie.

Especially one in his second start, on a short week, in NE with very little talent around him.

[Mav]

Did you watch ZERO of his college games?

Very little. And I am not talking about college.

Im talking about the fact that in two games in the pro's, he has taken 8 sacks and is on pace right now to take 64 sacks on the season. And his protection was actually pretty good.

[Mav]

I clearly said he was good for a rookie.

Especially one in his second start, on a short week, in NE with very little talent around him.

And rain.

I don't think the talent is that much of an issue, as much as coaching, and the weather, and short week.

Santonio Holmes, Kellen Winslow Jr, Stephen Hill, good oline, two good running backs in Powell, and Ivory.

hes just young, and shouldn't be starting yet. Tom Brady actually had less talent around him last night.

[BIG_DADDY]

Well, first off, the Chiefs offensive line is a work in progress. Allen doesn't appear comfortable at guard, Hudson appears better suited at guard, Asamoah is injured and Fisher is a work in progress. There were no inside running lanes for Charles last Sunday and the interior will need to play much better if the Chiefs are going to beat solid teams.

Smith over Manuel? Seriously? Manuel has ideal size, above average arm strength, great leadership skills and is a very high character guy. He played well against the same Patriot team throwing two TD's and no INT's.

Smith on the other hand is showing the same exact issues as Pre-draft. Inaccurate long ball, questionable decision making, over-throwing intermediate routes and a serious lack of pocket presence.

I would take either over Alex. It's still too early to tell, you may be right.

[RealSNR]

Anybody else rather have Schwartz starting over Asamoah?

[O.city]

Rather have asamoah at lg over Allen

[Bearcat]

For christs sake. Rex Ryan, has a TATTOO OF HIS WIFE WEARING A MARK SANCHEZ jersey.


Really? LMAO

[The Franchise]

Anybody else rather have Schwartz starting over Asamoah?

How about....

Albert - Hudson - Asamoah - Schwartz - Fisher

[The Franchise]

Really? LMAO

Yeah.....really.

http://www.csnne.com/sportsnetNe/video/Sportsnet_-_New_England/168/575/rex_ryan_tattoo_CSNNE1500kMP4_640x360_2323194764.jpg

[O.city]

Hudson was good at center

[Mav]

Really? LMAO

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/50e6e1c3ecad04f82b00000d/the-new-york-daily-news-reveals-that-rex-ryan-has-a-tattoo-of-his-wife-wearing-nothing-but-a-mark-sanchez-jersey.jpg


Yeah, even I cant make this shit up.

[DaneMcCloud]

Rather have asamoah at lg over Allen

Asamoah doesn't have the lower body strength to be an effective left guard.

He's the Chiefs best option at right guard this year and hopefully, he'll be healthy soon.

[Bearcat]

Well, at least it's just a number.. maybe Geno can switch.

[Mav]

Well, at least it's just a number.. maybe Geno can switch.

LMAO

[DaneMcCloud]

was there something incorrect that I said?


Yes.

Coaches coach the players that are available to them.

Geno Smith isn't under-performing because Rex preferred Mark Sanchez.

[DaneMcCloud]

How about....

Albert - Hudson - Asamoah - Schwartz - Fisher

Albert, Hudson, Kush, Asamoah, Fisher.

Asamoah isn't a center and Schwartz is just a guy.

Kush doesn't appear to be ready at this time but if the interior doesn't improve soon, he'll likely be pushed into action.

[saphojunkie]

Anybody else rather have Schwartz starting over Asamoah?



Rather have asamoah at lg over Allen

Solving problems like a couple bosses.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Anybody else rather have Schwartz starting over Asamoah?

I rather have someone who is not trying to take out our LT

[Mav]

Yes.

Coaches coach the players that are available to them.

Geno Smith isn't under-performing because Rex preferred Mark Sanchez.

Okay. Well, I will go a different direction.

EJ Manuel has been seen as the starter since day one, where as Geno wasn't.

Thus in week one, while both were impressive, (actually geno won, and EJ didn't) Manuel has looked like the more poised of the two.

That has a lot to do with what their expected roles were to be correct?

I totally agree with you now. They are being coached the same way, but EJ is much further ahead than Geno because he has been being groomed as the guy, where as the Jets weren't sure what role Geno was going to play.

Its really semantics. But its funny that you don't see that somehow being the GUY, as opposed to just being a GUY isn't different.

[DaneMcCloud]

Okay. Well, I will go a different direction.

EJ Manuel has been seen as the starter since day one, where as Geno wasn't.

Who gives a fuck? Either you can play, or you can't.

That has a lot to do with what their expected roles were to be correct?

Fuck no

I totally agree with you now. They are being coached the same way, but EJ is much further ahead than Geno because he has been being groomed as the guy, where as the Jets weren't sure what role Geno was going to play.

Bullshit. Smith and Sanchez received equal time with the starting offense in training camp and in the preseason games.

It all comes down to ability.

[DaneMcCloud]

Solving problems like a couple bosses.

LMAO

[RealSNR]

Schwartz may be just a guy, but I'm getting pretty sick of Asamoah's shit. He's had two entire seasons as a starter and a full offseason with Andy Reid to get his shit together. He's one of those guys that will always have 3 or 4 "Oops, I shat myself" snaps per game. Schwartz is a more consistent player.

[DaneMcCloud]

Schwartz may be just a guy, but I'm getting pretty sick of Asamoah's shit. He's had two entire seasons as a starter and a full offseason with Andy Reid to get his shit together. He's one of those guys that will always have 3 or 4 "Oops, I shat myself" snaps per game. Schwartz is a more consistent player.

I disagree. Schwartz is on his third team in three years and he's nothing special.

Asamoah is the superior player and once healthy, he'll prove it.

[splatbass]

I wish that the entire discussion would end.

No one is forcing you to read the thread.

[Sorter]

No one is forcing you to read the thread.

Thanks! This was incredibly insightful and really quite helpful!

[Nightfyre]

Sorter, it's so much easier to not have an opinion until after the dust settles. We should try that next draft season.

[Otter]

Just stop. He's a rookie who was known to be raw in his 2nd game in the rain.

[/fan of going the Alex Smith route] Just be glad it doesn't snow in the northeast during playoffs.

[Saccopoo]

I disagree. Schwartz is on his third team in three years and he's nothing special.

Asamoah is the superior player and once healthy, he'll prove it.

I'm going to have to agree with SNR on this one. Asamoah has never progressed beyond his rookie year and still has the fundamental problem of letting people under his pads and losing leverage. It was a knock on him coming out of college and has stuck with him to date.

However, he does have very good quickness and athleticism and the Chiefs have a very good offensive line coaching staff now in place. If he can correct his faults and play to his potential, now is the time to do it.

However, Schwartz is a pretty good player and it's not really indicative of his capabilities saying "third team in three years." He's kind of the opposite of Asamoah - immensely strong and huge, but not as athletic.

He was the starting RG for the Panthers before a weird hip injury put him on IR, signed with the Vikes and there were a number of Vikings people that were upset about him not starting over Brandon Fusco as they felt that Schwartz was the superior player. He's got talent and he can play either the RG or RT spot, where Asamoah is only a guard.

[splatbass]

Thanks! This was incredibly insightful and really quite helpful!

Going into a thread, reading it through to the 19th page, then whining about how you wish the thread didn't exist is pretty stupid, don't you think?

[DaneMcCloud]

Asamoah has never progressed beyond his rookie year and still has the fundamental problem of letting people under his pads and losing leverage. It was a knock on him coming out of college and has stuck with him to date.

His rookie year? He was hardly on the field due to Lilja.

However, he does have very good quickness and athleticism and the Chiefs have a very good offensive line coaching staff now in place. If he can correct his faults and play to his potential, now is the time to do it.

If he were healthy, he'd be doing exactly that.

However, Schwartz is a pretty good player and it's not really indicative of his capabilities saying "third team in three years." He's kind of the opposite of Asamoah - immensely strong and huge, but not as athletic.

Whatever.

He's on his third team in three years playing for league minimum for a reason.

He's a fine backup and spot player but he should not be starting, especially for the Chiefs.

He was the starting RG for the Panthers before a weird hip injury put him on IR, signed with the Vikes and there were a number of Vikings people that were upset about him not starting over Brandon Fusco as they felt that Schwartz was the superior player. He's got talent and he can play either the RG or RT spot, where Asamoah is only a guard.

Which is exactly why he should be a backup. He's a utility "spot" guy, not a strong starter.

Also, please explain why the running lane between Schwartz and Hudson were virtually non-existent on Sunday.

[Sorter]

Going into a thread, reading it through to the 19th page, then whining about how you wish the thread didn't exist is pretty stupid, don't you think?

Who said I read the entire thread?


ROFL. You're truly a moron, aren't you?

[RealSNR]

I love how splatbass hates Sorter's guts. It makes no sense.

Like hating ocelots. How does that even work? Why the hell would somebody do that?

[The Franchise]

Sorter, it's so much easier to not have an opinion until after the dust settles. We should try that next draft season.

I think I'm going to try that out. Having an opinion AFTER the fact seems like the way to go.

[RealSNR]

I think I'm going to try that out. Having an opinion AFTER the fact seems like the way to go.

I see that working out for you up to a point. You'll break down as soon as the conversation becomes centered around Notre Dame players :D

[The Franchise]

I see that working out for you up to a point. You'll break down as soon as the conversation becomes centered around Notre Dame players :D

Well considering that it looks like Poe is going to be our long term NT.....there goes our shot at drafting Louis Nix. And Stephon Tuitt would be nice.....but I don't see us taking another 3-4 DE that high this year.

[Sorter]

I love how splatbass hates Sorter's guts. It makes no sense.

Like hating ocelots. How does that even work? Why the hell would somebody do that?

You can add Laz and budda to the list as well, apparently.

[ChiefsCountry]

Well considering that it looks like Poe is going to be our long term NT.....there goes our shot at drafting Louis Nix. And Stephon Tuitt would be nice.....but I don't see us taking another 3-4 DE that high this year.

Tuitt is the player that makes the most sense for the team in the draft right now. Unless Marquis Lee or Sammy Watkins falls in our lap. The only other player I think would be Austin Seferian-Jenkins, the TE from Washington. With Alex Smith's man love for throwing to tight ends and playing it safe, we need all the help there as well.

[The Franchise]

Tuitt is the player that makes the most sense for the team in the draft right now. Unless Marquis Lee or Sammy Watkins falls in our lap. The only other player I think would be Austin Seferian-Jenkins, the TE from Washington. With Alex Smith's man love for throwing to tight ends and playing it safe, we need all the help there as well.

Don't give me hope right now.....my heart can't take it.

[HemiEd]

I'll never understand why some people are so afraid of drafting a QB in the first round if there's "no Andrew Luck in this draft" or he's not guaranteed to be the next Peyton Manning.

It's only been 4 decades of retreads, I think that's enough time to evaluate that strategy. At least the Jets are trying a proven strategy.

Here is one of my major observations of watching 44 years of Chiefs football.

"Don't dare risk an attempt at greatness, due the potential failure of achieving mediocrity." /HemiEd2013

[God of Thunder]

My most successful thread to date.

[splatbass]

Who said I read the entire thread?


ROFL. You're truly a moron, aren't you?

I'm not the one still posting in a thread hours after saying that he wished the thread went away....

[Sorter]

I'm not the one still posting in a thread hours after saying that he wished the thread went away....



I wish the entire topic of discussion went away.

Also, why so many periods?

[Mr_Tomahawk]

1 TD - 4 INT

#1 Pick material.

[Easy 6]

Dear Heavenly Saints,

Please let Alex have a good game this sunday, otherwise this place will be un-****ing-bearable.

Sincerely, Scotty the Body

[Sorter]

1 TD - 4 INT

#1 Pick material.

Tyler Wilson.

[Sorter]

Dear Heavenly Saints,

Please let Alex have a good game this sunday, otherwise this place will be un-****ing-bearable.

Sincerely, Scotty the Body

Definitely.

[Earthling]

Like hating ocelots. How does that even work? Why the hell would somebody do that?

If you've eaten as many ocelots as I have you would hate them too...

[taterhog]

One of them has thrown for 4k and 5k yards the last two seasons...

And what has it done for the team? Sure, from a fantasy standpoint, woot woot for Stafford. But he hasn't done shit to help that team make it any further than what Scott Mitchell would have.

[Sorter]

If you've eaten as many ocelots as I have you would hate them too...

You're a monster.

[Lightrise]

Not me...we got the QB I wanted and didn't even have to use a draft pick
In 3 years Bray will be having 31 teams questioning why they didn't grab him

It's the same for me. Bray is going to deliver and he is going to be around a very long time.

[Earthling]

You're a monster.

;)

[The Franchise]

1 TD - 4 INT

#1 Pick material.

Shouldn't you be creating a separate thread for every QB that's coming out next year?

[OnTheWarpath15]

I'm to the point where I hope we never draft and develop a franchise QB. We don't deserve it.

It's obvious the fan base doesn't have the patience when a guy with 8 years under his belt gets more leeway than a guy who has made all of two NFL starts.

So I'm going full True Fan, and I'm going to enjoy 180 yard passing days, a mediocre record and the occasional curb stomping in the first round of the playoffs.

Bring on the OL or DL pick in next year's draft!

[Nightfyre]

I'm to the point where I hope we never draft and develop a franchise QB. We don't deserve it.

It's obvious the fan base doesn't have the patience when a guy with 8 years under his belt gets more leeway than a guy who has made all of two NFL starts.

So I'm going full True Fan, and I'm going to enjoy 180 yard passing days, a mediocre record and the occasional curb stomping in the first round of the playoffs.

Bring on the OL or DL pick in next year's draft!

[Obligatory True Fan gif goes here]

[OnTheWarpath15]

[Obligatory True Fan gif goes here]

Exactly. I'm on my iPad or I would have posted it.

And FTR, this isn't a Smith/Smith debate for me. It doesn't matter who the young QB is, this place cuts them down.

Hell, people still give guys like Matt Ryan grief around here.

Amazing.

[BigMeatballDave]

Geno who?

Yeah, don't give a shit.

[DaneMcCloud]

I'm to the point where I hope we never draft and develop a franchise QB. We don't deserve it.

It's obvious the fan base doesn't have the patience when a guy with 8 years under his belt gets more leeway than a guy who has made all of two NFL starts.

So I'm going full True Fan, and I'm going to enjoy 180 yard passing days, a mediocre record and the occasional curb stomping in the first round of the playoffs.

Bring on the OL or DL pick in next year's draft!

The Chiefs fan base and season ticket holders just endured the worst season in Franchise History.

Four of the last six were amongst the worst, if not the worst stretch in the past 50 years. Yet, the solution should have been to draft a QB at 1.1 that was clearly incapable turning around the fortunes of the franchise immediately?

Seriously?

You'd ask this fan base to endure watching a QB on pace to throw 32 INT's? He hasn't even faced a real defense yet.

[OnTheWarpath15]

The Chiefs fan base and season ticket holders just endured the worst season in Franchise History.

Four of the last six were amongst the worst, if not the worst stretch in the past 50 years. Yet, the solution should have been to draft a QB at 1.1 that was clearly incapable turning around the fortunes of the franchise immediately?

Seriously?

You'd ask this fan base to endure watching a QB on pace to throw 32 INT's? He hasn't even faced a real defense yet.

I think you missed where I said this wasn't a Smith/Smith debate for me.

This attitude towards young QBs is not a new phenomenon around here.

[stevieray]

Geno who?

Yeah, don't give a shit.

I coulda had a V8!

...but the Tank 7 works.

:BLVD:

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Tyler Wilson.

No...those are actually Geno Smith's numbers.

Nice try.

[Tiger's Fan]

The Chiefs fan base and season ticket holders just endured the worst season in Franchise History.

Four of the last six were amongst the worst, if not the worst stretch in the past 50 years. Yet, the solution should have been to draft a QB at 1.1 that was clearly incapable turning around the fortunes of the franchise immediately?

Seriously?

You'd ask this fan base to endure watching a QB on pace to throw 32 INT's? He hasn't even faced a real defense yet.

Only a complete dipshit would expect a rookie QB to turn a horrible team around immediately. You seem to have a lot of like minded people on here with you too.

As has been said, this fanbase doesn't deserve a franchise QB, and is too stupid to realize why.

[J Diddy]

The Chiefs fan base and season ticket holders just endured the worst season in Franchise History.

Four of the last six were amongst the worst, if not the worst stretch in the past 50 years. Yet, the solution should have been to draft a QB at 1.1 that was clearly incapable turning around the fortunes of the franchise immediately?

Seriously?

You'd ask this fan base to endure watching a QB on pace to throw 32 INT's? He hasn't even faced a real defense yet.

I'm inclined to agree. AS isn't the long term future. I don't know if Bray is, but I will go on record saying the next starter we get will be ours first and will be long term.

[O.city]

Only a complete dipshit would expect a rookie QB to turn a horrible team around immediately. You seem to have a lot of like minded people on here with you too.

As has been said, this fanbase doesn't deserve a franchise QB, and is too stupid to realize why.

Because I as a fan have an impact on who they trade for/draft, etc?

[NJChiefsFan]

I think it's crazy to watch the game last night and not see Geno's potential. He is comfortable in the pocket and runs through his reads. He just under-threw guys and has to learn how to get the ball out. People need to learn how to judge things a little deeper than face value.

[O.city]

I think it's crazy to watch the game last night and not see Geno's potential. He is comfortable in the pocket and runs through his reads. He just under-threw guys and has to learn how to get the ball out. People need to learn how to judge things a little deeper than face value.

You need to learn how to evaluate QB play.

Comfortable in the pocket? Runs through reads?

Did you watch the game?

[The Franchise]

You need to learn how to evaluate QB play.

Comfortable in the pocket? Runs through reads?

Did you watch the game?

Planning on flip flopping some more? Or are you going to stick with an opinion for once?

[DaneMcCloud]

This attitude towards young QBs is not a new phenomenon around here.

No, it's not.

But there is a huge difference between actually developing a QB, quietly, whether it be as a second or third stringer, and starting a QB that is clearly not ready to start.

Out of the 2013 QB class, I preferred Manuel and Bray due to their ideal size and arm strength. Contrary to what all of the SEC and Florida fans said this offseason, Manuel doesn't "suck" and he has a ton of potential. He's also NFL ready as a starter.

The other players in this draft are not.

Bray is only 21 years old. If he can stay out of trouble and focus on football, he's in a great position to challenge for the starting spot in 2015, in which he'd only be 23 years old to start the season.

IMO, the Chiefs currently have the best of both worlds. A solid NFL starting QB and a young developmental QB. I'm not sure what else people could expect, especially after the past six seasons.

[chiefzilla1501]

I think you missed where I said this wasn't a Smith/Smith debate for me.

This attitude towards young QBs is not a new phenomenon around here.

The question I keep asking is why this is a Smith/Smith debate, and nobody is starting a Smith/Manuel debate. Smith has raised many flags, biggest one being his massive draft day tumble. Manuel's stock is rising and he looked good in week 1 against the same team that crushed Geno.

More than anything, with Geno there are red flags on his attitude and his accuracy has to be called into question. He didn't just underthrow yesterday, he threw passes into the dirt, behind receivers, and over receivers' heads. And not just by a little, by a lot.

[O.city]

Planning on flip flopping some more? Or are you going to stick with an opinion for once?

Where did I say differently?

[DaneMcCloud]

I think it's crazy to watch the game last night and not see Geno's potential. He is comfortable in the pocket and runs through his reads. He just under-threw guys and has to learn how to get the ball out. People need to learn how to judge things a little deeper than face value.

He looked good at times, which were followed up by horrendous decisions, overthrows, underthrows and awful pocket presence. Essentially, the same knocks he had back in April.

Maybe he'll "get it" and maybe he won't. But he's faced two of the worst defenses in the NFL his first two weeks and has four INT's.

And without an egregiously stupid play on the behalf of Lavonte David, the Jets would be 0-2.

[The Franchise]

Where did I say differently?

You were all over Geno's nuts up until we didn't draft him.....now all of a sudden he had problems in college and is not improving.

[O.city]

You were all over Geno's nuts up until we didn't draft him.....now all of a sudden he had problems in college and is not improving.

Um, no.

I liked him, but said he had problems. I would have like for us to have drafted him, but I realized what he wasn't and moved on.

[O.city]

And did he not have problems in college, the same problems he's having now?

[OnTheWarpath15]

The question I keep asking is why this is a Smith/Smith debate, and nobody is starting a Smith/Manuel debate. Smith has raised many flags, biggest one being his massive draft day tumble. Manuel's stock is rising and he looked good in week 1 against the same team that crushed Geno.

More than anything, with Geno there are red flags on his attitude and his accuracy has to be called into question. He didn't just underthrow yesterday, he threw passes into the dirt, behind receivers, and over receivers' heads. And not just by a little, by a lot.

It doesn't matter who is on the other end of the debate.

Christ, people think we got the best QB of the class as an UDFA.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Geno is overrated.

[BigMeatballDave]

Planning on flip flopping some more? Or are you going to stick with an opinion for once?

I flipped. Once I saw the Chiefs were not going to take him, I jumped ship.

Not sure why any Chiefs fan should give a shit about Geno.

[Brock]

Um, no.

I liked him, but said he had problems. I would have like for us to have drafted him, but I realized what he wasn't and moved on.

Sure you have.

[DaneMcCloud]

It doesn't matter who is on the other end of the debate.

Christ, people think we got the best QB of the class as an UDFA.

Time will tell.

At this time last year, Nassib and Glennon weren't on anyone's radar. Wilson was busy fucking up his senior season (and is currently on a practice squad) and Barkley (weak arm and all) was disappointing for USC.

Glennon's clearly the Next Man Up in Tampa (especially with all of their Freeman issues).

Barkley, Wilson, Nassib and Bray won't see the field in 2013 (and maybe even 2014) unless there's a catastrophic injury.

[ChiefsCountry]

The Chiefs fan base and season ticket holders just endured the worst season in Franchise History.

Four of the last six were amongst the worst, if not the worst stretch in the past 50 years. Yet, the solution should have been to draft a QB at 1.1 that was clearly incapable turning around the fortunes of the franchise immediately?

Seriously?

You'd ask this fan base to endure watching a QB on pace to throw 32 INT's? He hasn't even faced a real defense yet.

What if we had drafted one of the quarterbacks 1.1, pick your flavor, and we go to 1-15? Next year though we go 8-8. Year after 11-5, and then 13-3 and Super Bowl champs.

Would that be worth more than going 8-8 or 10-6 the first two years?

[chiefzilla1501]

It doesn't matter who is on the other end of the debate.

Christ, people think we got the best QB of the class as an UDFA.

I think it absolutely matters when we're talking about a guy who completely bottomed out in the draft. For every Aaron Rodgers, there is a Jimmy Clausen and a Brady Quinn.

I would have liked a QB, but I'm thinking more and more it should have been Manuel.

[DaneMcCloud]

What if we had drafted one of the quarterbacks 1.1, pick your flavor, and we go to 1-15? Next year though we go 8-8. Year after 11-5, and then 13-3 and Super Bowl champs.

Would that be worth more than going 8-8 or 10-6 the first two years?

That's complete and utter speculation.

On top of that, you're asking an already impatient fan base to endure two more years of shit football, with absolutely no guarantee of success.

I can absolutely assure you that if the Chiefs had drafted a Geno Smith-type QB at 1.1, I would not have renewed the Sunday Ticket. I have enough issues with justifying three hours every Sunday away from my young children.

I'm pretty certain I'm not the only one that would feel that way.

[BigMeatballDave]

What if we had drafted one of the quarterbacks 1.1, pick your flavor, and we go to 1-15? Next year though we go 8-8. Year after 11-5, and then 13-3 and Super Bowl champs.

Would that be worth more than going 8-8 or 10-6 the first two years?Fuck that 13-3 junk.

The Giants and Packers won SBs with 10-6 and 9-7 records. Who gives a shit about having a great regular season? NE has proven what a waste of time that is.

[lcarus]

Because I as a fan have an impact on who they trade for/draft, etc?

Yes the entire Kansas City Chiefs fanbase is stupid and doesn't deserve an elite franchise QB because some people on a message board notorious for over-exaggerations and brutality have criticized shitty play of some young QBs, especially QBs on other teams, when the general consensus here is "fuck other teams and their fucking shitty players". KANSAS CITY DOESN'T DESERVE IT! THANKS CP! YOU MADE US UNWORTHY! :cuss:

[ChiefsCountry]

That's complete and utter speculation.

On top of that, you're asking an already impatient fan base to endure two more years of shit football, with absolutely no guarantee of success.

I can absolutely assure you that if the Chiefs had drafted a Geno Smith-type QB at 1.1, I would not have renewed the Sunday Ticket. I have enough issues with justifying three hours every Sunday away from my young children.

I'm pretty certain I'm not the only one that would feel that way.

So you wouldn't have had the patience for what happened to Dallas in the early 90s?

[Sandy Vagina]

That's complete and utter speculation.

On top of that, you're asking an already impatient fan base to endure two more years of shit football, with absolutely no guarantee of success.

I can absolutely assure you that if the Chiefs had drafted a Geno Smith-type QB at 1.1, I would not have renewed the Sunday Ticket. I have enough issues with justifying three hours every Sunday away from my young children.

I'm pretty certain I'm not the only one that would feel that way.

Exactly right. It's easy for some fans to accept more shit years for the chance of developing a franchise QB that can be great later.. but the teams and coaches can't accept that approach, and neither should any fan.

What if with this vet QB, the Chiefs can win 9 games this season and 12 the next while also developing a young QB to take the team to the ultimate level?
(if so intent that this vet now can not )

[lcarus]

That's complete and utter speculation.

On top of that, you're asking an already impatient fan base to endure two more years of shit football, with absolutely no guarantee of success.

I can absolutely assure you that if the Chiefs had drafted a Geno Smith-type QB at 1.1, I would not have renewed the Sunday Ticket. I have enough issues with justifying three hours every Sunday away from my young children.

I'm pretty certain I'm not the only one that would feel that way.

You wouldn't want to watch? We could have Pigeon McBuffalochip at QB and I'd still have to watch every week. I can't help it. It's entertainment to me no matter what happens. Last year was tough though....very tough. Still entertaining in a disaster movie type of way though.

[DaneMcCloud]

So you wouldn't have had the patience for what happened to Dallas in the early 90s?

Patience? Sure. Spent my Sundays watching them or caring? No.

At this point in my life, there are far more important things happening than watching a QB "lead" a team to a 1-15 record.

After enduring 4-12, 2-14, 4-12 and the worst season in franchise history at 2-14, I would not be watching right now if they chose to start a guy that wasn't NFL ready.

[BigMeatballDave]

So you wouldn't have had the patience for what happened to Dallas in the early 90s?

Are the Chiefs going to trade Jamaal Charles for a load of draft picks?

[DaneMcCloud]

You wouldn't want to watch? We could have Pigeon McBuffalochip at QB and I'd still have to watch every week. I can't help it. It's entertainment to me no matter what happens. Last year was tough though....very tough. Still entertaining in a disaster movie type of way though.

I'm nearly 48 years old. I have a one year old and a five year old.

I'd rather be at Disneyland with my family on Sunday than watch a 1-15 team go 1-15.

[lcarus]

I'm nearly 48 years old. I have a one year old and a five year old.

I'd rather be at Disneyland with my family on Sunday than watch a 1-15 team go 1-15.

I see. I'm only 30 and no wife or kids. I can tell my love for obsessively tuning in to my favorite sports teams is dipping a LITTLE bit. I'll get there.

[ChiefsCountry]

So we are back to being the 90s Chiefs. I would rather be the 90s Cowboys. I'll take another down and shitty year if it means we are a threat to win a Super Bowl every year.

[BigMeatballDave]

I'm nearly 48 years old. I have a one year old and a five year old.

I'd rather be at Disneyland with my family on Sunday than watch a 1-15 team go 1-15.

1 and 5? That sounds exhausting.

[BigMeatballDave]

So we are back to being the 90s Chiefs. I would rather be the 90s Cowboys. I'll take another down and shitty year if it means we are a threat to win a Super Bowl every year.

Sure, but you have no clue if a SB win will be the end result.

[vailpass]

1 and 5? That sounds exhausting.

Try 14/9/7. Never a dull moment.

[ChiefsCountry]

Alex Smith is just Steve DeBerg Part II. We all know how this song and dance will end.

[DaneMcCloud]

1 and 5? That sounds exhausting.

Exhausting but incredibly rewarding.