Justin Houston Contract Rumor...

[MGM]

Like the vaunted 3-3-6 defense?

He couldn't find film of that lol. That was a typo. I was talking about the 3-3-5 with the SS playing the star position. Saban uses it a lot. He got owned so just kept talking 3-3-6. Typical CP BS. few here are accountable.

[SAUTO]

I will leave forever own my own accord if I am wrong but Dorsey won't give him Watt money and they will wait to sign him until the 2016 offseason for what they are offering now which is in the six year seventy five thousand range. Dorsey holds all the cards.

He's getting the tag you unrealistic fucks.

He's going to be paid over 75 thousand a game.

[MGM]

I'm not going to soak with you.

Come on man... Where is the BYU dude? Maybe he will soak?

[SAUTO]

How about you put up or shut up about it then. He's getting 6 years and 97.5 million with 50 million Guaranteed. You don't like it, That's too bad. The deal is done.
"But that's not a hundred million." Blackbob

[MGM]

He's going to be paid over 75 thousand a game.

I meant million lol. Six years $75 million would make him the highest paid LB by a lot.

[SAUTO]

I was here for that with my original account, dummy. In fact it was right after I showed up, I was a few days into my CP experience. I thought they were being kind of rough on you, so I chimed in a few times and was neg blasted myself. If only I had known the type of guy I was trying to defend.

Your dumbass deserved the negs.

[TimBone]

Hah. If Peej was involved I'm sure it was trolltastic.
PGM's brand of humor and posting style took some time for me to get used to. I find myself laughing at a ton of his shit now, though.

And SNR, while I always thought he was a great poster, was a huge dick to me my first six months or so. Maybe it took a while for him to warm up to me.

I don't think I ever received as much shit as most noobs seemed to get a few years ago, but SNR stuck in my mind.

Glad I stuck around though, this place is the tits. The last chief board I was at pales in comparison. Most boards do.

[SAUTO]

If I recall correctly, it was PGM, BossChief, Sorter, and SNR.

I think I was in too, but it didn't start about bob, it was all about knowmo to begin with and he'll I don't think I even negged anyone that hard

[TimBone]

Your dumbass deserved the negs.
Lol....yep. Looking back, I sure did.

[TimBone]

I think I was in too, but it didn't start about bob, it was all about knowmo to begin with and he'll I don't think I even negged anyone that hard
The only neg I clearly remember was from Sorter. And in the neg message he apologized for doing it. lol

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

More fun facts: Houston leads all players in sacks over the past two season with 33.

Jamaal Charles leads the league in TDs over the past two seasons.

Houston has the potential to be DT-like.

Von Miller was just a sad shadow in the shadow.

[MGM]

I like negs for the most part. I get creative with it. You can tell when people get pissed.

[ThaVirus]

That's 33 sacks in 27 games for Houston over the past two seasons, by the way.

[RealSNR]

PGM's brand of humor and posting style took some time for me to get used to. I find myself laughing at a ton of his shit now, though.

And SNR, while I always thought he was a great poster, was a huge dick to me my first six months or so. Maybe it took a while for him to warm up to me.

I don't think I ever received as much shit as most noobs seemed to get a few years ago, but SNR stuck in my mind.

Glad I stuck around though, this place is the tits. The last chief board I was at pales in comparison. Most boards do.

Really? I only remember claiming to get you confused with the guy who has the Frasier and Niles avatar.

[SAUTO]

The only neg I clearly remember was from Sorter. And in the neg message he apologized for doing it. lol

I hardly even use negs

[MGM]

Houston has the potential to be DT-like.

Von Miller was just a sad shadow in the shadow.

I am a UGA guy. I was happy as hell when we drafted Houston. I wear his Chiefs jersey with my UGA hat all over town. That said, he's not like DT IMO. He plays on the left side for starters. He also has a lot more pass rush help than DT had most of his career. He rarely gets doubled. Teams can't game plan for him because of Tamba. It would be interesting to see Houston play on the right without a stud OLB opposite of him. He didn't even play on the right side at UGA. He still has a lot to prove before he's in the DT conversation.

[TimBone]

Really? I only remember claiming to get you confused with the guy who has the Frasier and Niles avatar.
It was mainly you calling me a dumb fuck on a fairly routine basis. Before the Frasier avatar ordeal. No hard feelings, I never took any of it seriously. In fact, I think I only cut myself once over it.

[ThaVirus]

TimBone's gone through a shit ton of name and avi changes, I feel like.

[TimBone]

I am a UGA guy. I was happy as hell when we drafted Houston. I wear his Chiefs jersey with my UGA hat all over town. That said, he's not like DT IMO. He plays on the left side for starters. He also has a lot more pass rush help than DT had most of his career. He rarely gets doubled. Teams can't game plan for him because of Tamba. It would be interesting to see Houston play on the right without a stud OLB opposite of him. He didn't even play on the right side at UGA. He still has a lot to prove before he's in the DT conversation.
He's a far more complete linebacker than DT.

[ThaVirus]

Houston has the potential to be DT-like.

Von Miller was just a sad shadow in the shadow.

He's already more complete than DT ever was.

If he's able to turn in consistent 16-ish sack seasons into his early 30s and up his FF totals, he'll eclipse DT.

[TimBone]

TimBone's gone through a shit ton of name and avi changes, I feel like.
TimBone
McFly
Flybone McTimmerson
Timbone

[SeeingRed]

That's 33 sacks in 27 games for Houston over the past two seasons, by the way.

those are RARE numbers! He's a special talent

[hometeam]

I i like to neg when people cry about getting negged.

I also like this kumke fella. First time ive ever seen him and he comes in with info and starts bustin bobs ass.

And we share 2 mutual facebook friends!

BESTIES???

[mdchiefsfan]

From NFL.com

Justin Houston, OLB, Kansas City Chiefs

All indications from the Chiefs have been glowingly optimistic a deal will get done before the deadline approaches.

Almost a link provided... Progress! :thumb:

[RealSNR]

Almost a link provided... Progress! :thumb:

Even then, it's not like the link he's referring to actually says what he says it does.

Only Justin Houston news I can find on the front page:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000501194/article/franchise-tag-deadline-primer

Justin Houston, OLB, Kansas City Chiefs

All indications from the Chiefs have been glowingly optimistic a deal will get done.

Still, as of last month there has reportedly been no significant progress in talks. Houston is rumored to want a J.J. Watt-type deal.

Coach Andy Reid believes Houston won't skip training camp if a deal isn't done by Wednesday, but we haven't heard many rumblings from the player's camp.

After falling just a half sack short of the NFL single-season record, Houston wants long-term security that doesn't come with the $13.1 million tag. He's just 26 years old, but pass-rushers can fall off quickly, so it behooves Houston to stand firm for his big payday. Surely the Chiefs would use it to their advantage if he only notched 12 sacks next season.

I still think Weatherman's right on this. I'm just saying that penbrook's nfl.com link doesn't exactly say what he claims it said.

[TimBone]

If Weatherman's news is right, I'm posting nudes in celebration.

[MGM]

He's already more complete than DT ever was.

If he's able to turn in consistent 16-ish sack seasons into his early 30s and up his FF totals, he'll eclipse DT.

He still has a lot to prove and is overrated in coverage IMO. Stats aren't everything

[Sully]

I am a UGA guy. I was happy as hell when we drafted Houston. I wear his Chiefs jersey with my UGA hat all over town. That said, he's not like DT IMO. He plays on the left side for starters.

DT played on the left side at times, as well. So did LT. They all have.

He also has a lot more pass rush help than DT had most of his career.

WHAT? DT has Smith and some very good interior rushers his entire career.

He rarely gets doubled. Teams can't game plan for him because of Tamba. It would be interesting to see Houston play on the right without a stud OLB opposite of him. He didn't even play on the right side at UGA. He still has a lot to prove before he's in the DT conversation.

He also drops into coverage more than most pass rushers, so it evens out. It's too bad you don't know what you're talking about.

[The Franchise]

He still has a lot to prove and is overrated in coverage IMO. Stats aren't everything

In your opinion....you thought that Siler was a great tackler and that McCluster was quicker than Charles.

Your opinion is worthless.

[mdchiefsfan]

Even then, it's not like the link he's referring to actually says what he says it does.

Only Justin Houston news I can find on the front page:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000501194/article/franchise-tag-deadline-primer



I still think Weatherman's right on this. I'm just saying that penbrook's nfl.com link doesn't exactly say what he claims it said.

Oh trust me, there is still work to be done; just taking the positive reinforcement approach and seeing if that gets us anywhere, since we know ragging on him has done nothing. :D

[hometeam]

He still has a lot to prove and is overrated in coverage IMO. Stats aren't everything

ROFL

god damn man. If you arent failing at trolling you are failing at football.

Houston is arguably the best defensive player on the league. Deal with it.

[MGM]

DT played on the left side at times, as well. So did LT. They all have.



WHAT? DT has Smith and some very good interior rushers his entire career.



He also drops into coverage more than most pass rushers, so it evens out. It's too bad you don't know what you're talking about.

If that were true he wouldn't have had twenty sacks. He wants to be paid as a pass rusher. That is his argument for Watt money. Coverage isn't even relevant. If Sutton dropped him back more than other pass rushers, he would be on the street.

[MGM]

ROFL

god damn man. If you arent failing at trolling you are failing at football.

Houston is arguably the best defensive player on the league. Deal with it.

I don't agree. I think the top 100 was pretty accurate in Houston's case. He was the 9th best defensive player.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

If that were true he wouldn't have had twenty sacks. He wants to be paid as a pass rusher. That is his argument for Watt money. Coverage isn't even relevant. If Sutton dropped him back more than other pass rushers, he would be on the street.

How fucking dumb can a person be ?

[hometeam]

"Houston’s dominance was as a pass rusher, but he still graded positively as both a run defender (+8.1) and in coverage (+1.4). That means that throughout his career Houston has only graded negatively in one facet of the game over the course of a season once; his coverage grade during his rookie season. In 2014 he dropped into coverage 158 times.."

[Rausch]

He still has a lot to prove and is overrated in coverage IMO. Stats aren't everything

Fucking kill yourself.

Slowly...

[MGM]

How ****ing dumb can a person be ?

Did Parcell's drop LT into coverage more than any other pass rusher? Are you serious? His job is to wreak havoc in the backfield. Not be Derrick Brooks.

[hometeam]

Did Parcell's drop LT into coverage more than any other pass rusher? Are you serious? His job is to wreak havoc in the backfield. Not be Derrick Brooks.

Shit like this is why people cant take you seriously. Combine it with your mental baggage, and you wonder why you cant make it two weeks without a ban.

[MotherfuckerJones]

In your opinion....you thought that Siler was a great tackler and that McCluster was quicker than Charles.

Your opinion is worthless.

ROFL really? He's more retarded by the minute

[Rausch]

Did Parcell's drop LT into coverage more than any other pass rusher? Are you serious? His job is to wreak havoc in the backfield. Not be Derrick Brooks.

Your inability to see he's 1/4 Brooks, 1/4, Hardy Nickerson, and 1/2 DT is your failing.

That's what he is.

He is - BY FAR - the best OLB in the game...

[MGM]

"Houston’s dominance was as a pass rusher, but he still graded positively as both a run defender (+8.1) and in coverage (+1.4). That means that throughout his career Houston has only graded negatively in one facet of the game over the course of a season once; his coverage grade during his rookie season. In 2014 he dropped into coverage 158 times.."

That's great but so what? Where does it say most in league? It has nothing to do with his contract negotiations. They won't be paying him to cover. This is dumb.

[Rausch]

That's great but so what? It has nothing to do with his contract negotiations. They won't be paying him to cover.

They won't be paying him anything after this year.

He'll be gone for a sky-high contract and KC will be the ugly girl at the prom...

[hometeam]

That's great but so what? It has nothing to do with his contract negotiations. They won't be paying him to cover.

You just said hes not that good of a coverage guy. Then proceeded to cry about how many times he was NOT dropped into coverage. Your wrong. You are going into everything blind. You say words, but they have no basis on reality, and when you find out your wrong, you just move the goalposts. You are wrong about every football take you have.

The fact he can cover, run stop, rush, get second chance sacks, on and on are all part of who he is as a player. That's why hes gonna get 97 million and you are going to get 97 dicks in the ass.

[MGM]

Your inability to see he's 1/4 Brooks, 1/4, Hardy Nickerson, and 1/2 DT is your failing.

That's what he is.

He is - BY FAR - the best OLB in the game...

None of those guys played LOLB. DT and DB played against the LT. Not the RT. Hardy Nickerson? Where did that come from? He was a MLB.

[MGM]

You just said hes not that good of a coverage guy. Then proceeded to cry about how many times he was NOT dropped into coverage. Your wrong. You are going into everything blind. You say words, but they have no basis on reality, and when you find out your wrong, you just move the goalposts. You are wrong about every football take you have.

The fact he can cover, run stop, rush, get second chance sacks, on and on are all part of who he is as a player. That's why hes gonna get 97 million and you are going to get 97 dicks in the ass.

I said he was overrated in coverage. I said even if he is great in coverage who cares? We wouldn't be paying him for that. He wants to be paid like a "pass rusher" like Jimmy Graham wants to be paid like a "receiver."

Nobody gives a shit about the coverage in this situation and that includes Houston. The last tjing he wants to talk about is coverage. If he goes to the HOF or is seen by fans as better than DT at the end of his career it won't be because of coverage. He's not Derrick Brooks.

[TimBone]

lol...this thread is so much fun.

Hate Black Bob all you want. He provides the lulz.

[hometeam]

I said he was overrated in coverage. I said even if he is great in coverage who cares? We wouldn't be paying him for that. He wants to be paid like a "pass rusher" like Jimmy Graham wants to be paid like a "receiver."

Nobody gives a shit about the coverage in this situation and that includes Houston.

Houston = 97 mil

You = 97 dicks in ass

[Sully]

If that were true he wouldn't have had twenty sacks. He wants to be paid as a pass rusher. That is his argument for Watt money. Coverage isn't even relevant. If Sutton dropped him back more than other pass rushers, he would be on the street.

It is true.
it is relevant.
He does, and he's not.

[Sully]

None of those guys played LOLB. DT and DB played against the LT. Not the RT. Hardy Nickerson? Where did that come from? He was a MLB.

Wut?

[ThaVirus]

He still has a lot to prove and is overrated in coverage IMO. Stats aren't everything

I agree. You also have to take into account the overall affect the player has on the defense.

At it's peak with Houston healthy, our defense is one of the best in the league. When he doesn't play, our defense can be downright horrid.

[aturnis]

It beats the other Chiefs forums by a long shot.

This actually has a personality. The others don't.

I agree, but it still lacks football content, even during football season. It used to be a LOT different. Used to be way for football discussion.

I think the Q police and lovers of mega threads are what have done it.

Condense all discussion into a thread so big you can't keep tabs on news, or an honest discussion.

[Rausch]

None of those guys played LOLB. DT and DB played against the LT. Not the RT. Hardy Nickerson? Where did that come from? He was a MLB.

An amalgamation.

Look it up...

[aturnis]

Gator, a $100 million Contact is a $100 million contract. Break it down anyway you want. We aren't doing that. If he wants $100 million he will get it somewhere else. Chiefs fans over hype this guy. There is a reason the players voted him #27 in the top 100. He is really good but he's a LOLB. He's not even the best player on our team. If you are going to pay a LBer in the top ten players in the league then he better be revolutionizing the game or something. No one has ever done that in the salary cap age. Prepare to be let down if he wants that kind of money

22 sacks from the left side is revolutionary. Typically the best pass rusher plays the right side, to give him the advantage of coming in unseen. QB's see Houston coming and he still thrives.

On top of that, he's not only a STUD pass rusher, he's a great run defender and a top 5 OLB in coverage. THERE ISN'T A OLB CLOSE TO AS TALENTED.

You're not paying for a position, you're paying for the impact.

[MGM]

Last thing I'll say about this tonight... I live in Georgia. All my friends are Georgia fans. They sll like the Chiefs because they have so many Georgia players. None of them think he should get Watt money. No one thinks he is in the argument for the best player in the league. He's a good player but it's not a done deal. There is just no way we will pay him that much. I don't think he could get it unless he played on the right side. If he does it again and gets twenty sacks?
Then just maybe he will get that kind of deal.

[Bowser]

If that were true he wouldn't have had twenty sacks. He wants to be paid as a pass rusher. That is his argument for Watt money. Coverage isn't even relevant. If Sutton dropped him back more than other pass rushers, he would be on the street.

You need to stop acting like you know football. Because you don't. And you're dumb. Likely smelly, as well.

[Sully]

Last thing I'll say about this tonight... I live in Georgia. All my friends are Georgia fans. None of them think he should get Watt money. No one thinks he is in the argument for the best player in the league. He's a good player but it's not a done deal. There is just no way we will pay him that much. I don't think he could get it unless he played on the right side. If he does it again and gets twenty sacks?
Then just maybe he will get that kind of deal.

Oh. Damn. I didn't know your friends said so.

You've changed, I'm sure, all of our minds!

[Bowser]

Last thing I'll say about this tonight... I live in Georgia. All my friends are Georgia fans. They sll like the Chiefs because they have so many Georgia players. None of them think he should get Watt money. No one thinks he is in the argument for the best player in the league. He's a good player but it's not a done deal. There is just no way we will pay him that much. I don't think he could get it unless he played on the right side. If he does it again and gets twenty sacks?
Then just maybe he will get that kind of deal.

Flock o' idjits

[Rausch]

I think he deserves it.

I don't think we'll pay him.

I-blew-my-uncle is still clueless...

[ThaVirus]

Last thing I'll say about this tonight... I live in Georgia. All my friends are Georgia fans. They sll like the Chiefs because they have so many Georgia players. None of them think he should get Watt money. No one thinks he is in the argument for the best player in the league. He's a good player but it's not a done deal. There is just no way we will pay him that much. I don't think he could get it unless he played on the right side. If he does it again and gets twenty sacks?
Then just maybe he will get that kind of deal.

Who gives a shit what a bunch of your uncle-****ing friends think?

The guy just had the quietest 22 sack season anyone's ever had. Anyone that knows anything about football knows he's easily the best OLB in the game right now and he could quite possibly get better.

We just fielded the #2 scoring defense last season. Do you really want to **** that up by letting our best guy walk? Especially given the fact that we're likely going to be dropping a ton of contracts in Hali, DJ, Berry and Sean Smith?

Don't answer that. I really don't think I want to know.

[MGM]

You need to stop acting like you know football. Because you don't. And you're dumb. Likely smelly, as well.

Ok man, I'll leave if they give him that Watt deal. I was right about Geno from the beginning. I was right about Bowe. I'll be right about this. It is more of a sure thing than those were. He's not getting Watt money.

[Bowser]

Ok man, I'll leave if they give him that Watt deal. I was right about Geno from the beginning. I was right about Bowe. I'll be right about this. It is more of a sure thing than those were. He's not getting Watt money.

Tell us more about Luke Joeckel

[MGM]

Who gives a shit what a bunch of your uncle-****ing friends think?

The guy just had the quietest 22 sack season anyone's ever had. Anyone that knows anything about football knows he's easily the best OLB in the game right now and he could quite possibly get better.

We just fielded the #2 scoring defense last season. Do you really want to **** that up by letting our best guy walk? Especially given the fact that we're likely going to be dropping a ton of contracts in Hali, DJ, Berry and Sean Smith?

Don't answer that. I really don't think I want to know.

You guys gotta step out of the homer box. Not being disrespectful...

[mcaj22]

someones paying him his 100 million whether it's the Chiefs or another franchise.

there are teams out there waiting for this to go south

[MGM]

Tell us more about Luke Joeckel

I thought he was puss. That was another guy. Jags guy?

[Sully]

You guys gotta step out of the homer box. Not being disrespectful...

How alcan you say some stupid shit like "DT had no pass rush help," and have the nerve to act superior to anyone's football knowledge. You aren't smart.

[Bowser]

someones paying him his 100 million whether it's the Chiefs or another franchise.

there are teams out there waiting for this to go south

Fucking this. Hell, I even said as much earlier in this thread on how elite players get elite money. Anyone that doesn't think Houston is elite doesn't know football. If by chance we go el-cheapo and not sign him, someone will be there with a fat ass contract just waiting for him to sign.

Shamed-By-Uncle knows this as well, and is likely just riding out his latest attention wave.

[MGM]

someones paying him his 100 million whether it's the Chiefs or another franchise.

there are teams out there waiting for this to go south

Probably but not the Chiefs. He will play somewhere else in 2016 unless he signs for 6 years $75 million or under. Have a good night!

[MGM]

****ing this. Hell, I even said as much earlier in this thread on how elite players get elite money. Anyone that doesn't think Houston is elite doesn't know football. If by chance we go el-cheapo and not sign him, someone will be there with a fat ass contract just waiting for him to sign.

Shamed-By-Uncle knows this as well, and is likely just riding out his latest attention wave.

I'll go away until the franchise tag meltdown starts. Not about attention. Just a different opinion and dogpile.

[Sully]

I'll go away until the franchise tag meltdown starts. Not about attention. Just a different opinion and dogpile.

Just because everyone disagrees with you (and proves you wrong), doesn't make it a dogpile. It just means you're going to argue no matter how many facts are against you.

*stupid facts dog piling on me...

[Tribal Warfare]

I agree, but it still lacks football content, even during football season. It used to be a LOT different. Used to be way for football discussion.

I think the Q police and lovers of mega threads are what have done it.

Condense all discussion into a thread so big you can't keep tabs on news, or an honest discussion.

The "Q" police should temp banned every time they don't provide a link for said discussion

[aturnis]

Literally everything in this post is very wrong, and creepy.

Arrowhead (a mod there) started a thread asking what they could do to get more discussion going and improve the site because traffic was at a damn near stand still and I offered a few suggestions regarding how the place was moderated and how if you don't go with the general hive think, you get banned easily and how that drives away good posters and quality discussions.

Arrowhead took offense to those suggestions (some people can't take criticism) and even more so when I brought up how the whole Cassel situation was handled by the mods and how the whole thing was handled on CP (mods that don't micromanage and let the community show all the angles through their posts)

The completely hysterical part of it was that they banned me with no reason, to this day after never even having so much as a warning the whole time I was a member there and then they deleted the thread by the next morning. If you or anyone else thinks a word of that is untrue in any way, have the mods open the thread for viewing.

It's sad because for the last year there, I bet I didn't post more than 20 times and was already here regularly posting because it's more fun here. Mainly because of the difference in moderation.

I'm glad you think I'm rich. I'm far from it, but I work hard. Not sure where you got that idea from.

And I don't make it a point to blow men and children, either...but I digress.
To claim is harder to get banged at the coalition is laughable. CP is the only Chiefs forum with anywhere near this much freedom. Any of forums are non confrontational. Full of nut ticklers and butt slappers.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

It has been done. And Alright I will. If he doesn't sign the 6 year 97.5 Million dollar contract, I'll leave and never show back up. If he does, Then you have to kiss Clay's Ass. Literally. You will have to go to His House, Watch him unzip his pants, an kiss him right on the ass cheek while Flopnuts takes a photo and posts it on here.

ROFL ROFL ROFL

[aturnis]

Ok, then understand we'll end up being the carbon copy of the Texans soon enough too. I love defense but you can't
Pay one guy that much and expect to win consistently if he's not a QB. You will be forced to build around that player with cheaper young talent on that side of the ball to replace the decent guys you lose. You will be pigeon holed into putting all resources into that. In the meantime you will get Hoyers and Mallets to play QB because you won't be able to spend money or high draft picks on that side of the ball.
Why can't you use high picks?

[SAUTO]

Why can't you use high picks?

Because if you sign a 100 million dollar contract with a guy you have to make every high draft pick on that side of the ball from that point on.


It's all there in the cba per bob

[Rausch]

I'll go away until the franchise tag meltdown starts. Not about attention.

LMAO

[ThaVirus]

someones paying him his 100 million whether it's the Chiefs or another franchise.

there are teams out there waiting for this to go south

The Raiders. They'll pair him with Mack and rape us for the next 5-7 years.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the ball, Derek Carr and Amari Cooper become the next Joe Montana and Jerry Rice.

http://weirdsets.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/sweatbed.gif

[Rausch]

The Raiders. They'll pair him with Mack and rape us for the next 5-7 years.

Count on it...

[Rausch]

No bitch, I literally was the Squatch. That was mult #4. Look it up.

Well, an ire has been raised...

[BigMeatballDave]

I think he deserves it.

I don't think we'll pay him.

I-blew-my-uncle is still clueless...There is no basis for this at all.

[TimBone]

There is no basis for this at all.
Rausch is a little jaded. Not saying I blame him, but he appears to be done giving this team the benefit of the doubt.

[BigMeatballDave]

Meanwhile, on the other side of the ball, Derek Carr and Amari Cooper become the next Joe Montana and Jerry Rice.

When did you become a Raider homer? :)

[mcaj22]

Probably but not the Chiefs. He will play somewhere else in 2016 unless he signs for 6 years $75 million or under. Have a good night!

Do you think it's the year 2003 and the Chiefs have no money? Every NFL team has money now, the cap goes up a bit every year and every team has to spend. Even the shitty teams spend a lot, albeit on marginal players, but they have to overpay someone to go there.

Why are you making it seem like the Chiefs can only afford 75 million? Just let a bunch of people walk and pay the guy it's that simple. Draft the people you let walk replacements and you got cheap players under control for 3 years. Rinse, repeat. NFL football everybody.

[Rausch]

There is no basis for this at all.

If any of the teams that don't have to pay state income tax sign him to a FA deal this offseason and we match, guess what?

He makes less to stay here.

On that basis alone whe'd have to pay more.

That's saying nothing of the empty hole of suck that is our post-season experience or our 40 year history of lowballing the few FA's we had who could demand top dollar...

[The Bad Guy]

I think he deserves it.

I don't think we'll pay him.

I-blew-my-uncle is still clueless...

I don't post much anymore, but honestly the I blew my uncle comment might be top 5 funniest things I've ever read on this board.

Holy fuck I'm dying.

I think we'll pay him. I don't think it will be as much as Watt, but he'll get paid and he deserves to do so.

He's a complete player in every sense.

[Rausch]

Rausch is a little jaded. Not saying I blame him, but he appears to be done giving this team the benefit of the doubt.

For the record I'd give Dorsey an A- for the entire offseason this year and I absolutely loved our draft.

[MMXcalibur]

In this topic, MGM isn't so............grand.

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[Rausch]

I think we'll pay him. I don't think it will be as much as Watt, but he'll get paid and he deserves to do so.


I'd love to eat $#it for years about being wrong on this one but...

[RealSNR]

I agree, but it still lacks football content, even during football season. It used to be a LOT different. Used to be way for football discussion.

I think the Q police and lovers of mega threads are what have done it.

Condense all discussion into a thread so big you can't keep tabs on news, or an honest discussion.

Mega threads DO suck

[Discuss Thrower]

Megathreads suck, aye.

[MGM]

Do you think it's the year 2003 and the Chiefs have no money? Every NFL team has money now, the cap goes up a bit every year and every team has to spend. Even the shitty teams spend a lot, albeit on marginal players, but they have to overpay someone to go there.

Why are you making it seem like the Chiefs can only afford 75 million? Just let a bunch of people walk and pay the guy it's that simple. Draft the people you let walk replacements and you got cheap players under control for 3 years. Rinse, repeat. NFL football everybody.

I never said they couldn't afford more than 75 million. I said they shouldn't pay more than $75 million for a LB. I said they won't give him JJ Watt money and I think he'll play under the tag. Why wouldn't Dorsey keep him under the tag if he wants Watt money? He won't top what he did last year and he's not Watt.... He waited last year and he is in a position to wait again if Houston doesn't want to sign a reasonable deal like 6 years $75 million.

I understand all about the cap shit. I don't want to pay one guy all that money and be pigeon holed into relying on draft picks every year. I want to keep our home grown good talent rather than let them walk. I'd like to stay deep because depth is the difference in the NFL imo. I have explained this already.

[ChiefGator]

I'd love to eat $#it for years about being wrong on this one but...

I also hope you eat .. that ...

;)

[O.city]

Who cares about the total money figure? It could be 6 years 500 million, it wouldn't really matter.

It's alla about guaranteed money and how it's structured.

We drafted and developed the guy, he became elite at a premium position , time to pay. Kind of the way the world works

[ChiefGator]

Who cares about the total money figure? It could be 6 years 500 million, it wouldn't really matter.

It's alla about guaranteed money and how it's structured.

We drafted and developed the guy, he became elite at a premium position , time to pay. Kind of the way the world works

We are carefully watching Lamar Hunt's money for him! Don't you know CP is hired as his personal finance advisor?... and we are stiiinnggyyy!


;)

[loochy]

To claim is harder to get banged at the coalition is laughable. CP is the only Chiefs forum with anywhere near this much freedom. Any of forums are non confrontational. Full of nut ticklers and butt slappers.

What kind of subforums are you visiting? I've never experienced any of this sexual stuff you are talking about.

[RealSNR]

I never said they couldn't afford more than 75 million. I said they shouldn't pay more than $75 million for a LB. I said they won't give him JJ Watt money and I think he'll play under the tag. Why wouldn't Dorsey keep him under the tag if he wants Watt money? He won't top what he did last year and he's not Watt.... He waited last year and he is in a position to wait again if Houston doesn't want to sign a reasonable deal like 6 years $75 million.

I understand all about the cap shit. I don't want to pay one guy all that money and be pigeon holed into relying on draft picks every year. I want to keep our home grown good talent rather than let them walk. I'd like to stay deep because depth is the difference in the NFL imo. I have explained this already.

And we'll have PLENTY of money to re-sign our important players the next few years.

That does include getting new deals for Kelce and Poe.

We'll have to let some players walk, sure. Sean Smith, certainly. Hali, Johnson, and DeVito when their contracts are up, probably. The old guys who maybe aren't quite done with their careers but they need new contracts and are ticking timebombs for when they'll be weak and ineffective players. We'll probably have to let them go early.

THAT'S THE WAY THE NFL IS.

[BigMeatballDave]

If any of the teams that don't have to pay state income tax sign him to a FA deal this offseason and we match, guess what?

He makes less to stay here.

On that basis alone whe'd have to pay more.

That's saying nothing of the empty hole of suck that is our post-season experience or our 40 year history of lowballing the few FA's we had who could demand top dollar...

Lowballed? Shit, they probably overpaid Bowe based on production. Same for AS.

I don't give a fuck what happened with past GMs.

[ChiefGator]

Just for the record, I don't write for ArrowheadPride.

Below is a link to a new article there Why it makes sense for Chiefs to pay Justin Houston "JJ Watt money"

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/7/13/8950435/kansas-city-chiefs-justin-houston-jj-watt-contract

[KurtCobain]

When did you become a Raider homer? :)

Derek Carr becoming something worries me as well.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

He's like that turd that just won't flush. An uncle fucking turd, but one nonetheless.

[O.city]

Pgm just weighed in on the topic, close the thread it's going to shit now














:)

[booger]

Just for the record, I don't write for ArrowheadPride.

Below is a link to a new article there Why it makes sense for Chiefs to pay Justin Houston "JJ Watt money"

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/7/13/8950435/kansas-city-chiefs-justin-houston-jj-watt-contract

Later today they have an article about why it makes sense not to blow your uncle

[jonzie04]

In your opinion....you thought that Siler was a great tackler and that McCluster was quicker than Charles.

Your opinion is worthless.

You also laughed at me saying Houston would get 15m per year several months ago. Your opinion is nearly as bad as his.

[BigMeatballDave]

Derek Carr becoming something worries me as well.Meh. His brother turned out to be a flaming pile, I expect about the same here.

[RealSNR]

Going back to a side conversation I had in this thread.

I just read Gator's AP article and went through the comments.

Here's why CP is superior to all other Chiefs forums: we have WAAAAAAY smarter posters than they do.

That "workingmansdead" douche is royr17-level stupid and opens his fat mouth in practically every discussion from what I've seen. And there are dozens more just like that guy.

Your average comment section is basically MNchiefsfan and a bunch of fucking retards over at AP.

[BigMeatballDave]

In your opinion....you thought that Siler was a great tackler and that McCluster was quicker than Charles.

Your opinion is worthless. I forgot about this. Siler is better than DJ. LMAO

Dex faster than JC. LMAO

[booger]

The thorman bros are a couple of door knobs with their articles

[KurtCobain]

Meh. His brother turned out to be a flaming pile, I expect about the same here.

Since his senior season I've felt he's going to be something special. Sucks that the raiders got him. He plays with that chip on his shoulder and has all the tools needed to succeed.

[BigMeatballDave]

Since his senior season I've felt he's going to be something special. Sucks that the raiders got him. He plays with that chip on his shoulder and has all the tools needed to succeed.

Yeah, and we all thought RG3 was gonna be something special. *fart noise*

[MGM]

Who cares about the total money figure? It could be 6 years 500 million, it wouldn't really matter.

It's alla about guaranteed money and how it's structured.

We drafted and developed the guy, he became elite at a premium position , time to pay. Kind of the way the world works

Who told you that crap? Yes, guaranteed money is important but if what you are saying was true no one would ever have a problem getting signed. Think about it.

[KurtCobain]

Yeah, and we all thought RG3 was gonna be something special. *fart noise*

RG3 I was never that high on. However, I thought Colt Brennan was the most underrated QB ever and he and Jimmy Clausen were destined to be the next elite QBs and dueling in the superbowl for years to come.

[MGM]

Yeah, and we all thought RG3 was gonna be something special. *fart noise*

You guys think every QB is going to be special.

[BigMeatballDave]

You guys think every QB is going to be special.

:spock:

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Pgm just weighed in on the topic, close the thread it's going to shit






:)

I left a nugget for you in the Cards thread

[Eleazar]

Yeah, and we all thought RG3 was gonna be something special. *fart noise*

If the Chiefs had made the RG3 deal and you'd had reservations about it, either about him as an NFL prospect or about the cost of acquiring him, the horsemen/tabulators would have savaged you about it.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

If the Chiefs had made the RG3 deal and you'd had reservations about it, either about him as an NFL prospect or about the cost of acquiring him, the horsemen/tabulators would have savaged you about it.

HOW COULD THEY PASS ON JIMMY CLAUSEN!!!! This board is TERRIBLE at evaluating QBs

[MGM]

If the Chiefs had made the RG3 deal and you'd had reservations about it, either about him as an NFL prospect or about the cost of acquiring him, the horsemen/tabulators would have savaged you about it.

Hell yeah they would have. Geno! Geno!

/smartest football posters known to man

[O.city]

Nfl contracts are essentially 2 year deals, based on how much guaranteed money you get.

[ChiefGator]

Later today they have an article about why it makes sense not to blow your uncle

Lol... literally.

[MGM]

Nfl contracts are essentially 2 year deals, based on how much guaranteed money you get.

Not always true. Look at the Saints. Brees signed that deal in 2012 and they got rid of half the team because of his contract this year.

[MTG#10]

Not always true. Look at the Saints. Brees signed that deal in 2012 and they got rid of half the team because of his contract this year.

Drew Brees is a franchise QB. Big difference.

[Chiefnj2]

Sutton's defense is built on the pass rush. Houston has been underpaid so far in his career and KC has benefitted from it. Houston has earned a big deal, and he might be THE most important cog in the defense for the next few seasons. You need to pay him and structure it wisely so he only accounts for less than 10% of the cap.

[MGM]

Sutton's defense is built on the pass rush. Houston has been underpaid so far in his career and KC has benefitted from it. Houston has earned a big deal, and he might be THE most important cog in the defense for the next few seasons. You need to pay him and structure it wisely so he only accounts for less than 10% of the cap.

EXACTLY. That would be in the $14.3 million a year neighborhood and make him the highest paid LB in the NFL. However, I am willing to go up to $15 because he's special and from UGA.

[RealSNR]

If the Chiefs had made the RG3 deal and you'd had reservations about it, either about him as an NFL prospect or about the cost of acquiring him, the horsemen/tabulators would have savaged you about it.

At the time we were stuck with a QB SHITTIER than what RG3 has been in the NFL, and the people in charge showed that they gave precisely ZERO fucks about that situation. They never brought in anybody real to challenge him. In fact, the only time we ever saw a legitimate QB competition was to try to upgrade the QB2 spot. And that was probably the most laughable competition I've ever fucking seen. Palko/Stanzi followed by Quinn/Stanzi.

It's not as simple as saying, "I'd rather not spend an assload of draft picks to acquire this guy. Let's just stick with Alex Smith." We had AIDS leprosy of the butthole, and we were standing around doing nothing. OF COURSE it made sense at the time to try to get out of that awful hell hole we were stuck in.

[RealSNR]

EXACTLY. That would be in the $14.3 million a year neighborhood and make him the highest paid LB in the NFL. However, I am willing to go up to $15 because he's special and from UGA.

I'll bet you if the Chiefs sign him to that 6 year $97.5 million deal, you'll be "willing to go up" to that amount when Houston goes back to cracking skulls in the regular season.

[O.city]

Not always true. Look at the Saints. Brees signed that deal in 2012 and they got rid of half the team because of his contract this year.

His contract became fully guaranteed in February. They didn't have to get rid of the whole team.

[The Franchise]

I'll bet you if the Chiefs sign him to that 6 year $97.5 million deal, you'll be "willing to go up" to that amount when Houston goes back to cracking skulls in the regular season.

I hope they give him 6 years, $100 million to just to piss off Bob.

[MGM]

I'll bet you if the Chiefs sign him to that 6 year $97.5 million deal, you'll "be willing" to go up to that amount when Houston goes back to cracking skulls in the regular season.

I will always support him but never feel that way. I never thought we'd sign Bowe to that deal but we did. I couldn't believe it but I rolled with it.

Seriously though... Does he deserve to be paid like a d-linemen? 3-4 OLBers who can rush the passer aren't nearly as rare. And JJ Watt? He's a 3-4 DE who plays like Reggie White! That is unheard of people! There has never been a player like JJ Watt. I don't think people see that.

Houston is that special. We don't have to sign him long term right now. What would we sign him to that deal when in all likelihood he won't duplicate last year's production? Mr. Houston would be smart to take that $75 million six year deal while he can.

[MGM]

I hope they give him 6 years, $100 million to just to piss off Bob.

It won't piss me off. I just know it won't happen. If it does, I will leave on my own accord like I promised.

I believe he'll get the tag and we will give him six years and $75 million next March. That will be the same offer he's getting now and the best offer he'll get then. He's not going to have the production he had last season and will probably get hurt and miss a game or two. That would be my guess....

All I know is he isn't getting 6 years $100 million

[Pasta Little Brioni]

You aren't cool enough to have a three capital letter user name.

[MGM]

You aren't cool enough to have a three capital letter user name.

You sound bitter. I guess you were kicked out of the cool club PGM?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

You sound bitter. I guess you were kicked out of the cool club PGM?

Nope. The meatball alliance was fun for awhile.

[DaneMcCloud]

Not always true. Look at the Saints. Brees signed that deal in 2012 and they got rid of half the team because of his contract this year.

:facepalm:

The Saints didn't "get rid of half the team" because of Brees' contract.

After going 7-9 two out of the last three seasons, they needed an infusion of new talent and attitude.

[O.city]

:facepalm:

The Saints didn't "get rid of half the team" because of Brees' contract.

After going 7-9 two out of the last three seasons, they needed an infusion of new talent and attitude.

Iirc, didn't they have a chance to release or trade Brees this last offseason and get out from uner his deal?

[Strongside]

Friend of mine who works in the team offices, I'll call him a source because it sounds cool, says that Houston and Segal are both in Kansas City today.

[BossChief]

Look at the Saints moves the last few years...it's not the Brees deal that's fucked them...

[DaneMcCloud]

Iirc, didn't they have a chance to release or trade Brees this last offseason and get out from uner his deal?

I don't think they could have traded him, as they would have taken a $20 million dollar cap hit. But they can cut him next year and save $20 million but unless he's injured, I can't see that happening.

They've re-shaped their roster this off season, trading Grubbs and Graham, adding draft picks, acquiring Max Unger and so on. They needed a youth movement and at a time when 7-8-1 wins the division, it's probably as good a time as any to go for it.

[BossChief]

Friend of mine who works in the team offices, I'll call him a source because it sounds cool, says that Houston and Segal are both in Kansas City today.

It's going down.

Meet me at the club.

[BigMeatballDave]

You aren't cool enough to have a three capital letter user name.

That's right. Put that bitch in her place!

:)

[BigMeatballDave]

It won't piss me off. I just know it won't happen. If it does, I will leave on my own accord like I promised.


All I know is he isn't getting 6 years $100 million

Stick around awhile so we can point and laugh at you.

[penbrook]

Friend of mine who works in the team offices, I'll call him a source because it sounds cool, says that Houston and Segal are both in Kansas City today.

You mean Terez Paylor or Herbie Teope or maybe Jason LaCanfora or how about NFL.com because they all have reported the same thing

[penbrook]

Friend of mine who works in the team offices, I'll call him a source because it sounds cool, says that Houston and Segal are both in Kansas City today.

The fact that Houston is there makes it seem like a deal will get done with him signing the contract later tonight or tommorow morning

[Strongside]

You mean Terez Paylor or Herbie Teope or maybe Jason LaCanfora or how about NFL.com because they all have reported the same thing

Ha, no. I realize that, but sometimes reports are bullshit.

My friend works in group ticket and corporate suite sales. Says they arrived shortly after he did this morning.

[ILChief]

Ron Paul It's Happening.gif

[penbrook]

Ha, no. I realize that, but sometimes reports are bullshit.

My friend works in group ticket and corporate suite sales. Says they arrived shortly after he did this morning.

So are they meeting with Dorsey right now? And why did Houston come I mean unless he's signing a contract 😏

[seaofred]

So are they meeting with Dorsey right now? And why did Houston come I mean unless he's signing a contract ��

He would probably also have to take a physical.

[MGM]

:facepalm:

The Saints didn't "get rid of half the team" because of Brees' contract.

After going 7-9 two out of the last three seasons, they needed an infusion of new talent and attitude.

So they started with their best players? All Pros like Graham and Grubb?

WTF is wrong with you people? They replaced Grubbs with McGlynn. Did you like McGlynn? He sure has a nasty attitude in the trenches. Was that the kind of new talent and attitude they were looking for?

[DaneMcCloud]

So they started with their best players? All Pros like Graham and Grubb?

WTF is wrong with you people? They replaced Grubbs with McGlynn. Did you like McGlynn? He sure has a nasty attitude in the trenches. Was that the kind of new talent and attitude they were looking for?

:facepalm:

[RINGLEADER]

The fact that Houston is there makes it seem like a deal will get done with him signing the contract later tonight or tommorow morning

I'm fine with anything that doesn't destroy our ability to keep players like Sean Smith and Dontari Poe (if they warrant it) next season.

[MGM]

Stick around awhile so we can point and laugh at you.

I will be sticking around. He won't get Watt money. I guarantee it. Has signed the tag yet? Gotta be in town to do that.

[MGM]

:facepalm:

Answer the question Dumb fuck. Did you like McGlynn????

[DaneMcCloud]

Answer the question Dumb fuck. Did you like McGlynn????

STFU

[RunKC]

I'm fine with anything that doesn't destroy our ability to keep players like Sean Smith and Dontari Poe (if they warrant it) next season.

Sean Smith isnt getting a long term deal

[MGM]

Sean Smith isnt getting a long term deal

Yeah, he is probably gone after this year.

[MGM]

STFU

Dumb fuck was harsh. Sorry about that

[RunKC]

The Saints fucked up their cap by signing busts like Jarius Byrd. They had too many big contracts and had to lighten up.

Having said that, I think they had a very good draft this year, and I also like Brandin Cooks/Stanley Jean-Baptiste.

They are definitely reloading. Poor Brees.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I like Sean Smith as much as the next guy, but the guy turned 28 today and he doesn't have a lot of speed that he can afford to lose. We've drafted the last two years in preparation for the loss. Gaines, Peters, and Nelson are the plan.

[DaneMcCloud]

The Saints fucked up their cap by signing busts like Jarius Byrd. They had too many big contracts and had to lighten up.

Having said that, I think they had a very good draft this year, and I also like Brandin Cooks/Stanley Jean-Baptiste.

They are definitely reloading. Poor Brees.

They also have Jahri Evans, Max Unger and Senio Kelemete pegged as their interior starters although Zach Strief may move inside to allow Andrus Peat to play right tackle.

More and more teams are going for the "We'll play our best five guys" mantra than just sticking guys at their traditional positions.

[RunKC]

They also have Jahri Evans, Max Unger and Senio Kelemete pegged as their interior starters although Zach Strief may move inside to allow Andrus Peat to play right tackle.

More and more teams are going for the "We'll play our best five guys" mantra than just sticking guys at their traditional positions.

I agree. And college offensive lineman nowadays are playing multiple positions to help their draft evaluation. Versatility goes a long way in the NFL.

[BigMeatballDave]

I will be sticking around. He won't get Watt money. I guarantee it. Has signed the tag yet? Gotta be in town to do that.

The Tender can be signed anytime before the season starts if they don't work out a new contract.

[O.city]

Once he signs the tag, he can't skip camp iirc. I doubt he's here to do that

[The Franchise]

Once he signs the tag, he can't skip camp iirc. I doubt he's here to do that

Yep. If he's only going to sign the tender....it'll be around week 3 of preseason. Bob, once again, is an idiot.

[penbrook]

Yep. If he's only going to sign the tender....it'll be around week 3 of preseason. Bob, once again, is an idiot.

Plus you don't need your agent there if it's just to sign the tender

[aturnis]

What kind of subforums are you visiting? I've never experienced any of this sexual stuff you are talking about.

Lol. Banned obviously. The coalition always seemed like a place to "play nice" to me. Maybe it's changed, but I never enjoyed it.

[MGM]

Jump to conclusions much? Geez

Never said he was done negotiating. Also, he'll sign the tag before he leaves town if he doesn't get a deal. He's not going wait three weeks into camp with the new cba.

You hate me so bad your minds are clouded with a false sense of reality.

[MGM]

Lol. Banned obviously. The coalition always seemed like a place to "play nice" to me. Maybe it's changed, but I never enjoyed it.

I've been there for years and I don't play nice. Never been banned. Been banned here 52 times. You are talking out of your ass.

[The Bad Guy]

Sean Smith isnt getting a long term deal

If he plays the way he did last year, he deserves one.

[BossChief]

If he plays the way he did last year, he deserves one.

You're right, and he'll get it. I just doubt that's from us.

Peters and Gaines were drafted to be the outside CBs of the future of this team with Nelson as the nickel.

Unless one of them gets killed at this level, I doubt they stray from that plan to give SS a 4-5 year deal for big money.

[MGM]

If he plays the way he did last year, he deserves one.

He will deserve one. It would be nice if we could get Houston's deal done so we can tag Smith next year.

[BossChief]

If Peters develops into a top corner and we keep that Houston and Smith combo as pass rush/true #1 corner at both CB spots and Gaines in the slot and Nelson as the dime the next 3-4 years...that's a bomb set of corners.

Just ruthless.

[aturnis]

Going back to a side conversation I had in this thread.

I just read Gator's AP article and went through the comments.

Here's why CP is superior to all other Chiefs forums: we have WAAAAAAY smarter posters than they do.

That "workingmansdead" douche is royr17-level stupid and opens his fat mouth in practically every discussion from what I've seen. And there are dozens more just like that guy.

Your average comment section is basically MNchiefsfan and a bunch of fucking retards over at AP.

It's not even about "smarter". It's just less delusional.

Go to any poll on ArrowheadPride, no matter the question, chiefs always win, by a wide margin.

Best QB in the league? Alex Smith! There are some good contributors writing articles over there, but even they're mostly homers. Other than that, I'm positive its all 12 yr olds.

[RunKC]

If he plays the way he did last year, he deserves one.

With the way Gaines has appeared to come on, and drafting two CB's, I just don't see it.

He could be kept next year on the tag, but I think we have to save that for Houston and Poe along with keeping other valuable pieces like DJ (if he comes back to form), Jaye Howard, whoever looks good between Stephenson/Allen, Abdullah, DeVito and Harris.

A lot depends on performance this season, but I still think it's too much to keep him.
Would be sweet if we did.

[SeeingRed]

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/313201/chiefs-and-houston-resuming-talks-on-tuesday

Latest Headlines
Chiefs and Houston resuming talks on Tuesday
Profootballtalk and the Kansas City Star report the Chiefs will resume long-term talks with unsigned franchise player Justin Houston on Tuesday.
PFT reports the sides have made "no real progress" in "months." Wednesday is the deadline for teams to sign franchise players to long-term contracts.
Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com Jul 13 - 1:24 PM

maybe?

[penbrook]

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/313201/chiefs-and-houston-resuming-talks-on-tuesday

Latest Headlines
Chiefs and Houston resuming talks on Tuesday
Profootballtalk and the Kansas City Star report the Chiefs will resume long-term talks with unsigned franchise player Justin Houston on Tuesday.
PFT reports the sides have made "no real progress" in "months." Wednesday is the deadline for teams to sign franchise players to long-term contracts.
Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com Jul 13 - 1:24 PM

maybe?

This is old news

[MGM]

If Peters develops into a top corner and we keep that Houston and Smith combo as pass rush/true #1 corner at both CB spots and Gaines in the slot and Nelson as the dime the next 3-4 years...that's a bomb set of corners.

Just ruthless.

Absolutely....

I really think they hope Nelson will be the long term answer at nickel back. He fits the mold they Sutton and Reid like perfectly. He's quick and smaller like Kyle Wilson, Brandon Boykin, Flowers, and Owens. I really think they like him and made a point to get him in the draft. They just haven't found the right guy to play inside since they got to KC. I love that he never missed a single tackle in college too. He's a scrappy little dude.

Gaines can play nickel but will be better outside. Smith better watch out or he could end up being this years Stephenson. If those guys play lights out while he's suspended they won't Put him in when he gets back.

[Chiefnj2]

If he plays the way he did last year, he deserves one.

Arguably Albert and Hudson played well enough to warrant a contract extension, but Dorsey decided it was better to draft their replacements and save some money.

[DaneMcCloud]

Arguably Albert and Hudson played well enough to warrant a contract extension, but Dorsey decided it was better to draft their replacements and save some money.

Which is exactly how the great teams operate.

Draft, develop and prepare young players to step in and fill roles.

Reload, don't rebuild.

[RunKC]

They drafted Nelson bc Chris Owens was an absolute trainwreck last year.

[Chiefnj2]

Which is exactly how the great teams operate.

Draft, develop and prepare young players to step in and fill roles.

Reload, don't rebuild.

Except it remains to be seen if Dorsey was able to adequately replace them.

[MGM]

Which is exactly how the great teams operate.

Draft, develop and prepare young players to step in and fill roles.

Reload, don't rebuild.

Dorsey has done a great job of drafting ahead. He's always prepared for the year after next. It's beyond building through the draft. It's like nothing we have seen in KC.

[MGM]

They drafted Nelson bc Chris Owens was an absolute trainwreck last year.

Yeah, the smaller quicker scrappy nickel mold is what they like. Haven't found that guy in KC yet. I hope Nelson works out

[ChiefGator]

CB Franchise tag is 13 M. No way we tag Smith with exclusive rights.

Not sure what non-exclusive or transitional tags would be though.

[Hootie]

boy !

I sure am glad BlackBob is back so I can talk even less football on my favorite team's message board because the football talk about the Chiefs wasn't already atrocious enough!

Gee !

Thank God !

[aturnis]

You mean Terez Paylor or Herbie Teope or maybe Jason LaCanfora or how about NFL.com because they all have reported the same thing

Literally none of those sources are reporting Houston and his agent are in town at all. Unless I'm missing it, but I don't think I am.

[BossChief]

Absolutely....

I really think they hope Nelson will be the long term answer at nickel back. He fits the mold they Sutton and Reid like perfectly. He's quick and smaller like Kyle Wilson, Brandon Boykin, Flowers, and Owens. I really think they like him and made a point to get him in the draft. They just haven't found the right guy to play inside since they got to KC. I love that he never missed a single tackle in college too. He's a scrappy little dude.

Gaines can play nickel but will be better outside. Smith better watch out or he could end up being this years Stephenson. If those guys play lights out while he's suspended they won't Put him in when he gets back.

Holy mother of God.

[DaneMcCloud]

Holy mother of God.

This guy is either the biggest troll this site's ever seen or the dumbest guy this site's ever seen.

[aturnis]

This guy is either the biggest troll this site's ever seen or the dumbest guy this site's ever seen.

That's why he's been banned. On CP, anything goes but real threats, real world stalking, hate speech and an existence based solely on trolling.

Not to mention most of those bans of his were re-enforcing previous bans he tried to break.

[MGM]

That's why he's been banned. On CP, anything goes but real threats, real world stalking, hate speech and an existence based solely on trolling.

Not to mention most of those bans of his were re-enforcing previous bans he tried to break.

Not true. I broke no rules and was voted out. I was the troll of trolls. I have repented. Get over it. You are just making shit up over and over.

This guy is either the biggest troll this site's ever seen or the dumbest guy this site's ever seen.

Holy mother of God.

**** you, there is nothing wrong with that post. You guys have butthurt and are little bitches. I cited every nickelback those guys have had over the last 4-5 years. Nelson is in that mold.

Want to make the site better? Get rid of these ****s who piss on every football thread and force commentary in one direction.

Drop the ego and talk football for once.

[aturnis]

If in fact you had a point and the Chiefs would consider sitting Smith for his actions and good play of Peters and Gaines, they'd be better of trading him before the deadline.

I doubt they'd sit him though. He was a shutdown corner last year.

[MGM]

If in fact you had a point and the Chiefs would consider sitting Smith for his actions and good play of Peters and Gaines, they'd be better of trading him before the deadline.

I doubt they'd sit him though. He was a shutdown corner last year.

Thank you.

You are probably right but it's not out of the question. He hasn't been a shut down CB every year. Not by a long shot. Attitude probably had more to do with Stephenson than anything but, they kept him this year so who knows?

[penbrook]

On NFL Insiders there saying a deal will get done. Adam Caplan said Chiefs are willing to make him highest paid LB but holdup is he wants to be paid like JJ Watt. Said he's looking at 16-17 mil a year with 50 mil guaranteed. Also said everyone looks up to Justin Houston in the Chiefs organization. He spends countless hours on watching film and everyone wants to see him. Said they would be surprised if a deal didn't get done!!

[MGM]

On NFL Insiders there saying a deal will get done. Adam Caplan said Chiefs are willing to make him highest paid LB but holdup is he wants to be paid like JJ Watt. Said he's looking at 16-17 mil a year with 50 mil guaranteed. Also said everyone looks up to Justin Houston in the Chiefs organization. He spends countless hours on watching film and everyone wants to see him. Said they would be surprised if a deal didn't get done!!

Shocking lol... that's what I have been saying for the past two days. Be careful dude, you might be hammered with red for posting that.

Six years $75 million is the right deal for everyone.

[penbrook]

Shocking lol... that's what I have been saying for the past two days. Be careful dude, you might be hammered with red for posting that.

Six years $75 million is the right deal for everyone.

They didn't say how many years but I'm guessing 6 and well 6 multiplied by 16 is 102. That would put him right in front of Watt so idk where your getting 75 mil from unless it's a 5 year deal

[ThaVirus]

Sean Smith will command $10+ million if he hits the market.

After having drafted three CBs over the last couple off seasons, the writing is on the wall. We're going to let him walk, and I think that's the right move. We shouldn't give a 29 year old CB a huge extension unless we're on the cusp of bringing home a Lombardi.

[DaneMcCloud]

Six years $75 million is the right deal for everyone.

The right deal for everyone would be your immediate banning

[MGM]

They didn't say how many years but I'm guessing 6 and well 6 multiplied by 16 is 102. That would put him right in front of Watt so idk where your getting 75 mil from unless it's a 5 year deal

It said that's the hold up. They aren't paying him Watt money dude. They are offering him in the neighborhood of six years $75 million like I have been saying. That would make him the highest paid LB.

[Hootie]

The right deal for everyone would be your immediate banning

This.

[MGM]

The right deal for everyone would be your immediate banning

Only if he gets Watt money or I break the rules. Look, I generally won't be this obnoxious if you treat me with respect but, today you got me all riled up.


You guys can dish it out but you can't take it. You need to man up and be accountable.

[DaneMcCloud]

Only if he gets Watt money or I break the rules. Look, I generally won't be this obnoxious if you treat me with respect but, today you got me all riled up.

Most of you can dish it out but can't take it.

You're a complete and utter moronic troll that brings absolutely nothing of any value to any discussion.

[MGM]

You're a complete and utter moronic troll that brings absolutely nothing of any value to any discussion.

I am not trolling at all. I am being realistic and frankly creating decent football discussion. What if this goes exactly like I said it will and he doesn't get the Watt contract? What if he gets tagged or a deal worthy of a LB? Be honest here, some of you guys have homer blinders on. You have justified any type of situation to sign the guy to any kind of contract in your pea size brains. It's the same way it went about drafting a QB a couple of years ago. Why does everyone go with the flow here? Why doesn't anyone think outside the box? Don't be pussies. I know you guys aren't in high school. How did this happen? How did you get to this point? Say what you really think and don't worry about looking dumb.

"Everything you want is on the other side of fear."

- George Aldair

[The Franchise]

I am not trolling at all. I am being realistic and frankly creating decent football discussion. What if this goes exactly like I said it will and he doesn't get the Watt contract? What if he gets tagged or a deal worthy of a LB? Be honest here, some of you guys have homer blinders on. You have justified any type of situation to sign the guy to any kind of contract in your pea size brains. It's the same way it went about drafting a QB a couple of years ago. Why does everyone go with the flow here? Why doesn't anyone think outside the box? Don't be pussies. I know you guys aren't high school. How did this happen? How did you get to this point? Say what you really think and don't worry about looking dumb.

"Everything you want is on the other side of fear."

- George Aldair

You've got the bold part covered pretty well.

[Hootie]

welp, it's official, Chiefs talk on this board is officially dead now that blackbob is allowed to post again

*sigh*

[BossChief]

Not true. I broke no rules and was voted out. I was the troll of trolls. I have repented. Get over it. You are just making shit up over and over.





**** you, there is nothing wrong with that post. You guys have butthurt and are little bitches. I cited every nickelback those guys have had over the last 4-5 years. Nelson is in that mold.

Want to make the site better? Get rid of these ****s who piss on every football thread and force commentary in one direction.

Drop the ego and talk football for once.

You think the coaches are gonna bench Sean Smith and never give him his job back if Gaines and Peters play well? Haha ok.

He was the 5th highest rated corner last year and didn't commit a single penalty the whole year. I'm sure theyre gonna bench him because he's just like Stephenson.

[MGM]

You've got the bold part covered pretty well.

I do man. That's one of the most important things I've learned in the last year. What other people think of me is none of my business. What is my business is what I think of me.

I turned 40 a couple of months ago. My balls have dropped and I see life differently. You want to call me an idiot? That's fine by me. I hope to learn some things here and have a little fun. This time I am invested enough to try not to get banned.

[BlackOp]

Sean Smith will command $10+ million if he hits the market.

After having drafted three CBs over the last couple off seasons, the writing is on the wall. We're going to let him walk, and I think that's the right move. We shouldn't give a 29 year old CB a huge extension unless we're on the cusp of bringing home a Lombardi.

I'm withholding an opinion until after this season...and see where these young corners are. Smith rated out as the #5 CB last year...KC will have money too. I would rather keep our talented players.

[MGM]

You think the coaches are gonna bench Sean Smith and never give him his job back if Gaines and Peters play well? Haha ok.

He was the 5th highest rated corner last year and didn't commit a single penalty the whole year. I'm sure theyre gonna bench him because he's just like Stephenson.

Thank you.

You are probably right but it's not out of the question. He hasn't been a shut down CB every year. Not by a long shot. Attitude probably had more to do with Stephenson than anything but, they kept him this year so who knows?

Haley benched DJ. This shit happens all the time. It probably won't happen but it could. Reid obviously doesn't like it when people get suspended.

[DaneMcCloud]

Reid obviously doesn't like it when people get suspended.

It will be nice when you're suspended, again.

[loochy]

I do man. That's one of the most important things I've learned in the last year. What other people think of me is none of my business. What is my business is what I think of me.

I turned 40 a couple of months ago. My balls have dropped and I see life differently. You want to call me an idiot? That's fine by me. I hope to learn some things here and have a little fun. This time I am invested enough to try not to get banned.

You're joking, right?

[Dunerdr]

Alex smith sucks

[loochy]

Alex smith sucks

http://i.imgur.com/OfYGY.gif

[BossChief]

Haley benched DJ. This shit happens all the time. It probably won't happen but it could. Reid obviously doesn't like it when people get suspended.

You should try to stop breathing.

[MGM]

You should try to stop breathing.

Would your father in heaven approve of that? What drives you to say that? I think you hate yourself so you take it out on guys like me. You just want to be good at something. You are good at talking football dude. You just need to let go of your ego a little bit. You are really disrespectful of people. You often come off like you think you are intellectually superior. You are bossy. You think I don't know you, hootie, and Dane are trying to derail this thread and make me look bad? I see it. I just don't care. It doesn't matter what I think of you. What matters is what you think of you. I hope you'll listen to me because I bet you don't think you are a very good person inside.

P.S. I don't have to try to stop breathing. I can do it. I just held my breath for one minute and twenty seven seconds.

[loochy]

P.S. I don't have to try to stop breathing. I can do it. I just held my breath for one minute and twenty seven seconds.

Pssh, that's nothing. Try 25 minutes and get back to us.

[ThaVirus]

I'm withholding an opinion until after this season...and see where these young corners are. Smith rated out as the #5 CB last year...KC will have money too. I would rather keep our talented players.


There are obviously several factors that come into play. Generally speaking, I don't think we should sign aging CBs to long term deals.

If our rookies blow dicks? We've got to think about it. If we go deep in the postseason but fall short of the Super Bowl? We've got to think about it. If we can sign him to a deal with an easy out after 3 years? We've got to think about it.

[WeathermanKumke]

6 years 97.5 Million. 50 Million Locked in

[penbrook]

6 years 97.5 Million. 50 Million Locked in

When will it be announced?

[Sully]

Be honest here, some of you guys have homer blinders on. You have justified any type of situation to sign the guy to any kind of contract in your pea size brains.

See, here's (another) example of where your conclusions make no damn sense. If this was a case of being homers, there would be one of two things happening;
A) We would be arguing desperately that this deal happened as cheap as possible, and of it wasnt, it'd be because Houston is a terrible person who rapes babies

Or

B) We would be arguing to sign Houston for whatever he asks for. If he wants to take Clark's butt virginity, then he should have it.

Neither of those is happening. The discussion revolves around what he realistically deserves and what the Chiefs should realistically offer. Just because everyone disagrees with you doesn't make it "homer blinders" and it doesn't make it a pile one. It doesn't mean you're wrong, necessarily (although you are, always. And in a hurry to prove it loudly for some reason), but it should give anyone with some intelligence pause to rethink their position, rather than just cry about all the other meanie on the intrawebz.

[MGM]

No dude... Just no... It makes perfect sense. It's all in this thread but, you probably aren't interested in seeing reality.

[BossChief]

6 years 97.5 Million. 50 Million Locked in

I assume you mean it's already signed?

If true, I love you...if you're trolling, I will end you.

[DaneMcCloud]

It makes perfect sense.

The only thing that makes "perfect sense" is that you're banned again for trolling.

[Halfcan]

6 years 97.5 Million. 50 Million Locked in

Link?

[BossChief]

6 years 97.5 Million. 50 Million Locked in

Dude, you need to start a twitter account and break this one if you truly know.

[Hootie]

Dude, you need to start a twitter account and break this one if you truly know.
Yeah !!!

Then you guys can try and be fake famous together !!!

[Titty Meat]

The only thing that makes "perfect sense" is that you're banned again for trolling.

That won't happen because 1 mod thinks it's funny to keep these trolls around.

[hometeam]

Link?

The link is himself. He is saying HE is saying it~

[DaneMcCloud]

Dude, you need to start a twitter account and break this one if you truly know.

If he's "In The Know", posting this on Twitter would most certainly break any relationship with the informant.

If he's correct, I'd rather see a pipeline of info for as long as it's available as opposed to a one time scoop.

[Halfcan]

The link is himself. He is saying HE is saying it~

seems legit :doh!:

getting neg rep bomb locked and loaded

[penbrook]

The only time I have come across weatherman was when he trolled everyone into thinking Manning was 100% gonna come to the Chiefs over at AP. Now idk if he has broken any news before or after this.

[BossChief]

If he's "In The Know", posting this on Twitter would most certainly break any relationship with the informant.

If he's correct, I'd rather see a pipeline of info for as long as it's available as opposed to a one time scoop.

He was absolutely correct about the Maclin signing way before it happened, too...and was just as sure about that as he has been about this.

If someone is giving him info and they haven't said to keep it private, I'd have no problem posting the info.

[kysirsoze]

The only time I have come across weatherman was when he trolled everyone into thinking Manning was 100% gonna come to the Chiefs over at AP. Now idk if he has broken any news before or after this.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/render_definition.php?defid=2029284

[penbrook]

He was absolutely correct about the Maclin signing way before it happened, too...and was just as sure about that as he has been about this.

If someone is giving him info and they haven't said to keep it private, I'd have no problem posting the info.

Actually I'm the one who said Maclin was coming to KC when you guys didn't believe me.

[RunKC]

Man tomorrow is gonna be good reading on chiefsplanet

[kysirsoze]

Actually I'm the one who said Maclin was coming to KC when you guys didn't believe me.

Link?

[DaneMcCloud]

Actually I'm the one who said Maclin was coming to KC when you guys didn't believe me.

The difference is that:

A) You didn't have any inside info.

B) Anyone could connect those dots.

Actually, that's a big difference.

[penbrook]

The difference is that:

A) You didn't have any inside info.

B) Anyone could connect those dots.

Actually, that's a big difference.

And what makes you think the "weatherman" has inside info. And really if it was easy to connect the dots than 3/4 of CP failed miserably in connecting those.

[Eleazar]

Everybody knew about Maclin coming here, they were freaking tampering with him for pete's sake and he didn't have any serious discussions with anyone else. Not a hard prediction to make.

[MGM]

I'll tell you what.... if I am right I'll just say thanks to those who acknowledge it and move on. Being right isn't more important than winning.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Yeah !!!

Then you guys can try and be fake famous together !!!

ROFL

[hometeam]

And what makes you think the "weatherman" has inside info. And really if it was easy to connect the dots than 3/4 of CP failed miserably in connecting those.

Well hes claiming he has inside info. May or may not be true~

He was wrong on the only other thing I ever saw out of him, and he supposedly knew about that from inside too.

[penbrook]

Well hes claiming he has inside info. May or may not be true~

He was wrong on the only other thing I ever saw out of him, and he supposedly knew about that from inside too.

Which was?

[MotherfuckerJones]

I'll tell you what.... if I am right I'll just say thanks to those who acknowledge it and move on. Being right isn't more important than winning.

Congratulations on being the worlds worst troll. Just have that breath mint ready after you're done eating Clays ass.

[BossChief]

Here's what we know

Weatherman said the Chiefs agreed in principle with Justin Houston 6/98/50 and that they are going to wait to announce it till after the MLB hoopla...makes sense with the Royals deserving of their own thunder.
Lacanfora reports that the Chiefs made significant progress towards a new deal
Houston is in town with his agent
Multiple reports claim the Chiefs are extremely optimistic about getting a deal signed before the deadline (which can be interpreted as the deal is done and the media is in agreement to keep it hush hush till right at the deadline)

Before weatherman posted the info, EVERYONE just assumed that there would be no new deal and that Houston would play on the tag in 2015. EVERYONE.

I hope he's not bullshitting.

[hometeam]

Which was?

He was the guy who supposedly knew Peyton Manning was in KC to sign~

[WeathermanKumke]

Which was?

When I trolled AP into thinking that Peyton Manning was going to come here and got them into searching planes on a flight tracker website. When he signed for Denver, the tears and rage were moist excellent.

[MotherfuckerJones]

Actually I'm the one who said Maclin was coming to KC when you guys didn't believe me.

I was calling it too. Who cares? Way to go out on a limb with Reid signing the guy he drafted.

[RunKC]

Honest question for the board: if Dorsey gets Houston signed tomorrow, is this the best Chiefs offseason you've seen as a fan?

[The Franchise]

Honest question for the board: if Dorsey gets Houston signed tomorrow, is this the best Chiefs offseason you've seen as a fan?

In recent memory.....yeah.

[BossChief]

When I trolled AP into thinking that Peyton Manning was going to come here and got them into searching planes on a flight tracker website. When he signed for Denver, the tears and rage were moist excellent.
Oh well.

Grain of salt then.

[WeathermanKumke]

Here's what we know

Weatherman said the Chiefs agreed in principle with Justin Houston 6/98/50 and that they are going to wait to announce it till after the MLB hoopla...makes sense with the Royals deserving of their own thunder.
Lacanfora reports that the Chiefs made significant progress towards a new deal
Houston is in town with his agent
Multiple reports claim the Chiefs are extremely optimistic about getting a deal signed before the deadline (which can be interpreted as the deal is done and the media is in agreement to keep it hush hush till right at the deadline)

Before weatherman posted the info, EVERYONE just assumed that there would be no new deal and that Houston would play on the tag in 2015. EVERYONE.

I hope he's not bullshitting.

And now even Warpaint is Saying the Garauenteed money is around the number I called (50 million). He says low 50 millions in his tweet. Even him can get to the source.

[Eleazar]

Honest question for the board: if Dorsey gets Houston signed tomorrow, is this the best Chiefs offseason you've seen as a fan?

It'd have to be the best one in most of our lifetimes.

[The Franchise]

And now even Warpaint is Saying the Garauenteed money is around the number I called (50 million). He says low 50 millions in his tweet. Even him can get to the source.

Well shit....leave it to WPI to screw this up.