Let's talk about the Ravens

[Megatron96]

Has there been any word at all about Sammy? Would really like to have him on the field Monday night . . .

[Halfcan]

Has there been any word at all about Sammy? Would really like to have him on the field Monday night . . .

He is probably receiving intergalactic nuclear radiation treatments from the Mother Ship as we speak. He is the Lizard King- he is recharging just like Godzilla.

[KChiefs1]

This seems to be the narrative. The haters cannot wait for Mahomes to lose so they can start up the Jackson is better bullshit.

The Chiefs have won 11 straight- including 6 straight when down by 10 points (an NFL record) and we are treated like the Jets going into Baltimore.

Chargers were fired up and given a lot of calls by the refs- and still lost. Somebody please give the Chargers a Blue ribbon for 3 quarter winners!

We heard all this same shit about the Unstoppable Ravens before our Home Opener last year- and we beat them soundly. Their defense can't stop us, and Lamar can't play from behind.


I love all the Ravens hype.

I think the Chargers game & the Ravens chatter will have this team super focused.

[Megatron96]

He is probably receiving intergalactic nuclear radiation treatments from the Mother Ship as we speak. He is the Lizard King- he is recharging just like Godzilla.

I hope it's that simple. Sammy makes things an absolute nightmare for the Ravens D.

[Halfcan]

I love all the Ravens hype.

I think the Chargers game & the Ravens chatter will have this team super focused.

Yep, with Petro directly asking Andy if his guys are were too overconfident- I think they will be laser focused.

Mahomes knows that the MVP might come down to this game as a decider.

Chiefs know that Home Field advantage in the playoffs- and potential 1st round bye could be at stake.

They will be ready. I expect a fast start by the Chiefs.

[Megatron96]

Btw, the Baltimore Ravens are currently favored -3.5 pts against the Chiefs on MNF. Moneyline is -155. Vegas really touting the Ravens right now.

[Halfcan]

Btw, the Baltimore Ravens are currently favored -3.5 pts against the Chiefs on MNF. Moneyline is -155. Vegas really touting the Ravens right now.

Always bet on Red!

[Megatron96]

Always bet on Red!

Already did. Twice.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

They were already talking about this game this afternoon on Sirius. Said what sane people already know: The Ravens have less room for error the way they play, which is the same as last year. Get a lead and they’ll struggle.

[RetiredSeniorChief]

Quite possibly a preview of the AFC Championship game.

Hopefully we can get healthy by Sunday

Nope, the Ravens are like the 90's Chiefs. They'll lose in the Divisional again.

[Chieftain]

This seems to be the narrative. The haters cannot wait for Mahomes to lose so they can start up the Jackson is better bullshit.

The Chiefs have won 11 straight- including 6 straight when down by 10 points (an NFL record) and we are treated like the Jets going into Baltimore.

Chargers were fired up and given a lot of calls by the refs- and still lost. Somebody please give the Chargers a Blue ribbon for 3 quarter winners!

We heard all this same shit about the Unstoppable Ravens before our Home Opener last year- and we beat them soundly. Their defense can't stop us, and Lamar can't play from behind.

Exactly. Game should've ended in regulation after that great catch completion by CEH on the 15 yard line. From there we would've easily scored the game winning TD. The stupid penalty negated that.

The Ravens defense are nowhere near to the calibre of the defense we faced on Sunday. We should easily score at the very minimum 30+. I just can't see a scenario where Lamar outscores Mahomes. Can't see it.

[Simply Red]

Been over to their forum - they're not necessarily scared - but several indicate great concern due to the absence of Tavon.

[BossChief]

They were red hot last year till KC took their field and ran em off it.

Only reason the score was even remotely close was Reid/Spags went into that BS prevent run the clock style.

Harbaugh was scared from the get go. Went for it on 4th down and went all out as much as he could.

[carcosa]

Been over to their forum - they're not necessarily scared - but several indicate great concern due to the absence of Tavon.

THEY SHOULD BE SCARED

[CasselGotPeedOn]

They were red hot last year till KC took their field and ran em off it.

Only reason the score was even remotely close was Reid/Spags went into that BS prevent run the clock style.

Harbaugh was scared from the get go. Went for it on 4th down and went all out as much as he could.

Wat

[RINGLEADER]

Btw, the Baltimore Ravens are currently favored -3.5 pts against the Chiefs on MNF. Moneyline is -155. Vegas really touting the Ravens right now.

The Chiefs destroyed Vegas last weekend. Read that 97+% of the moneyline bets were for the Chiefs. That combined with the amount of parlays involving the Chiefs ended up wiping out all profits Vegas made from their sportsbooks.

[Simply Red]

THEY SHOULD BE SCARED

Goodnight sweetie.

[Coochie liquor]

Ravens were a top 3 defense last year.

This year through the first two games, the Ravens lead the NFL in fewest points allowed (22), takeaways (five) and have allowed the third-lowest quarterback rating (76.8) to opposing quarterbacks. After racking up four sacks and 13 quarterback hits in Week 2.

Granted they did play the Browns Week 1.

Chiefs were SB champs last year. Welcome to 2020. Your O line is worse as well as your defense. Lamar looks the same, can’t read defenses and go through all the progressions. I think our offense will be more than your defense can handle. Can’t wait to watch Harbaugh start outsmarting himself with analytics and failing. Better hope you get a lead cuz we’ve seen how Lamar reacts under those situations vs Patrick!

[smithandrew051]

THEY SHOULD BE SCARED

They should be pissing and shitting themselves like Ubeja when he saw a toilet while he was still alive!!!!

[duncan_idaho]

Everyone in the thread should please remember how JakeF originally found his way to us and keep that in mind when he shitposts. He's an Alex Smith ball sniffer, after all.

Re: The Ravens' weaknesses...

1) The offensive line has NOT been close to as good or dominant as it was last year. They miss Marshall Yanda, and Stanley has been playing hurt and less impactful. They are more vulnerable here, and Jackson faced a lot of pressure on Sunday. He was sacked four times and the Ravens board is expressing concern about how often he's under pressure.

2) Their passing game is still predicated on hitting the middle of the field. I think Roman has made some nice adjustments with the rollouts, cutting down the amount of field to read and putting stress on the defense due to Jackson's legs/being on the move, but it still looks like the best way to challenge the Ravens' offense is to force them to throw it outside in deep and intermediate ranges. Jackson throws a nice deep ball on 9 routes, but it's still lower percentage (because it's lower percentage for everyone).

Re: The Chiefs' weaknesses

1) It's got to be LB play. Ben Niemann is "light in the shorts" - just doesn't tackle with much striking power/force, and that makes it easier to shed him and/or push him back for extra yards. I don't see how he's playable against Baltimore. For me, I think this is the week to try the alignment they used in base sets last year... with Gay replacing Ragland on the strongside and Wilson sliding back to WLB. In the nickel set, I'd love to see Gay as one of the 2 on the field but expect it will still be Niemann instead. Getting Pennel back should help the LB... as the interior of the line has been getting blown up a lot, putting traffic in the LBs laps. Better anchors from the Chiefs' DTs should clean that up.

2) Slow starts have become a real trend. That really doesn't work against Baltimore. They need to come out efficiently and put up points early.

[Eleazar]

We have a QB, they have a RB. Chiefs by 10

[smithandrew051]

We did put up 500 yards of total offense and 33 points last year (despite practically taking the 4th quarter off) without Hill, Fisher, or CEH. Also, Mahomes was still dealing with that ankle issue from the Jags game.

I know Andy won’t run the score up all game, but I wish he would in this one.

[Chris Meck]

I'm concerned most about the injury list on defense.

We played 4 rookies the majority of snaps in L.A.

If we have to do that again, we may be in some trouble.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

We did put up 500 yards of total offense and 33 points last year (despite practically taking the 4th quarter off) without Hill, Fisher, or CEH. Also, Mahomes was still dealing with that ankle issue from the Jags game.

I know Andy won’t run the score up all game, but I wish he would in this one.

I don’t think he’s gonna have a choice. I’m feeling a shootout..

[TwistedChief]

If we all simultaneously put JakeF on 'ignore,' CP could achieve herd immunity and rid ourselves of his pestilience.

[smithandrew051]

I don’t think he’s gonna have a choice. I’m feeling a shootout..

In a shoot out, I’m picking the team with the better passing QB ALL day. I hope that’s how it goes.

[duncan_idaho]

Also worth mentioning ... lot of comments about Matt Skura being much worse than a year ago.

So the Ravens' C and RG are both struggling. As they prep to play Chris Jones.

[smithandrew051]

Here’s a small stat oddity from last years game. Both McCoy and Darrell Williams averaged almost 7 yards per carry. Granted, they had 9 and 8 carries but still.

I forgot that Damien Williams didn’t even play either.

[CervezaChill]

As much as each game is important with only one playoff bye spot I almost feel like we are playing with house money with this one. What I mean is even if we lose this away game to a monster opponent, playoff Mahomes will run the table again like no one this league has seen. Maybe a spanking would humble them a bit and provide fuel for the rest of the season given how shaky they have started.

[mililo4cpa]

I think, if it were me, I'd just keep blitzing the hell out of Jackson....the guy is going to run anyways, and he is dreadful in throwing the ball when he's forced from his spot and not comfortable.

I don't think Jackson "processes" things very well when the play breaks down and he has to make quick decisions. That's likely why he runs most of the time, because he knows it's the only opportunity to pick up yards when he's not comfortable. Honestly, we all know he's plenty good enough to do that, but I think I'd just keep over-whelming them with pressure and make him beat you over the top with dudes in his face.....

Unless we are just putting up points left and right, I think it would be a mistake to sit back and let the Ravens dictate their game plan. I don't think Jackson could do anything close to what Pat just did against the Chargers: Get constantly pounded by pressure, down by 11, and lead a comeback.

just my two cents for what it's worth and probably much easier said than done of course....

[smithandrew051]

Honey Badger needs a big game. Not overly worried about our corners in this one.

[duncan_idaho]

I think, if it were me, I'd just keep blitzing the hell out of Jackson....the guy is going to run anyways, and he is dreadful in throwing the ball when he's forced from his spot and not comfortable.

I don't think Jackson "processes" things very well when the play breaks down and he has to make quick decisions. That's likely why he runs most of the time, because he knows it's the only opportunity to pick up yards when he's not comfortable. Honestly, we all know he's plenty good enough to do that, but I think I'd just keep over-whelming them with pressure and make him beat you over the top with dudes in his face.....

Unless we are just putting up points left and right, I think it would be a mistake to sit back and let the Ravens dictate their game plan. I don't think Jackson could do anything close to what Pat just did against the Chargers: Get constantly pounded by pressure, down by 11, and lead a comeback.

just my two cents for what it's worth and probably much easier said than done of course....

If they run a blitz-heavy scheme, that would be a way to take advantage of what Gay does well currently without overwhelming him with responsibilities.

[DelaWhere?]

Chiefs were SB champs last year. Welcome to 2020. Your O line is worse as well as your defense. Lamar looks the same, can’t read defenses and go through all the progressions. I think our offense will be more than your defense can handle. Can’t wait to watch Harbaugh start outsmarting himself with analytics and failing. Better hope you get a lead cuz we’ve seen how Lamar reacts under those situations vs Patrick!

You must be one of those fans that only watch your team, which is obvious by your comments. Lamar goes through his progressions pretty well actually, especially given his age and the fact that he knows how dynamic he can be with his legs. The Ravens have made a point to spread the ball much more this season and not force feed their TE's.

This isn't 100% directed at you but, Ravens fans do not think Lamar is better than Mahomes, lets be clear on that to people on here. This narrative that our Defense isn't good is pretty funny though. The Tavon injury was pretty big but not something that is so catostrophic that we can't come back from it. Wink will scheme up ways to hide or deficiencies. The O-line is a concern but without an extended training camp we knew it would take some games for that to come together. This is a very good Ravens team. Not unbeatable by any stretch.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Also worth mentioning ... lot of comments about Matt Skura being much worse than a year ago.

So the Ravens' C and RG are both struggling. As they prep to play Chris Jones.

He had a really bad knee injury last October or November, so probably that is the main factor.

Hoping our DTs can control the game. Win that battle and they’re in a great spot.

[UChieffyBugger]

You must be one of those fans that only watch your team, which is obvious by your comments. Lamar goes through his progressions pretty well actually, especially given his age and the fact that he knows how dynamic he can be with his legs. The Ravens have made a point to spread the ball much more this season and not force feed their TE's.

This isn't 100% directed at you but, Ravens fans do not think Lamar is better than Mahomes, lets be clear on that to people on here. This narrative that our Defense isn't good is pretty funny though. The Tavon injury was pretty big but not something that is so catostrophic that we can't come back from it. Wink will scheme up ways to hide or deficiencies. The O-line is a concern but without an extended training camp we knew it would take some games for that to come together. This is a very good Ravens team. Not unbeatable by any stretch.

The major issue for your defense is your pass-rush has been sub standard and you can't get home with just four...therefore Pat is likely to have time unless you blitz..and if you blitz it's a very bad idea. Your secondary has not faced an offense like ours either. Last time we played we had no Tyreek, Fisher or Williams..whereas we've faced Lamar twice already. We've also faced other teams who run the ball a lot like the Titans and Niners. The Ravens D got diced up the last time they faced Pat and even Peters has been great for yall he was on the field when Pat put 50 on the Rams. It should be a great game though.

[Coochie liquor]

You must be one of those fans that only watch your team, which is obvious by your comments. Lamar goes through his progressions pretty well actually, especially given his age and the fact that he knows how dynamic he can be with his legs. The Ravens have made a point to spread the ball much more this season and not force feed their TE's.

This isn't 100% directed at you but, Ravens fans do not think Lamar is better than Mahomes, lets be clear on that to people on here. This narrative that our Defense isn't good is pretty funny though. The Tavon injury was pretty big but not something that is so catostrophic that we can't come back from it. Wink will scheme up ways to hide or deficiencies. The O-line is a concern but without an extended training camp we knew it would take some games for that to come together. This is a very good Ravens team. Not unbeatable by any stretch.

I guess I meant more as going through his progressions under duress is more like it. Admittedly I haven’t watched one second of Baltimore this season. But I know the 2 teams you’ve played have had pretty bad defenses. Texans we saw firsthand, Browns are still the Browns. Here’s hoping we both come away with no injuries, and a Chiefs victory.

[duncan_idaho]

You must be one of those fans that only watch your team, which is obvious by your comments. Lamar goes through his progressions pretty well actually, especially given his age and the fact that he knows how dynamic he can be with his legs. The Ravens have made a point to spread the ball much more this season and not force feed their TE's.

This isn't 100% directed at you but, Ravens fans do not think Lamar is better than Mahomes, lets be clear on that to people on here. This narrative that our Defense isn't good is pretty funny though. The Tavon injury was pretty big but not something that is so catostrophic that we can't come back from it. Wink will scheme up ways to hide or deficiencies. The O-line is a concern but without an extended training camp we knew it would take some games for that to come together. This is a very good Ravens team. Not unbeatable by any stretch.


Ravens have a good D. It doesn’t match up great against the Chiefs because the Ravens pass rush is just OK and requires sending extra men to get pressure. Mahomes is efficient and dangerous against the blitz. Teams that can rush four and drop seven and still create quick pressure are the ones that give Mahomes the most trouble, especially if it’s paired with disciplined zone D and good tackling in the back 7.

[Best22]

As much as each game is important with only one playoff bye spot I almost feel like we are playing with house money with this one. What I mean is even if we lose this away game to a monster opponent, playoff Mahomes will run the table again like no one this league has seen. Maybe a spanking would humble them a bit and provide fuel for the rest of the season given how shaky they have started.

Shaky? We had one close game after dealing with a lot of defensive attrition

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Ravens have a good D. It doesn’t match up great against the Chiefs because the Ravens pass rush is just OK and requires sending extra men to get pressure. Mahomes is efficient and dangerous against the blitz. Teams that can rush four and drop seven and still create quick pressure are the ones that give Mahomes the most trouble, especially if it’s paired with disciplined zone D and good tackling in the back 7.

Don’t you have to try that Chargers/49ers style of approach though if you’re Martindale?

They’ve tried the blitz heavy stuff the last two years and it hasn’t worked well enough. Now they have Peters, who maybe can steal one in a deep zone with his eyes on Mahomes.

I know, they’d still give up points cause the talent isn’t on par with LAC, but it’s the only scheme that really has given Mahomes and Reid much trouble beyond a half of football.

[ModSocks]

Don’t you have to try that Chargers/49ers style of approach though if you’re Martindale?



Exactly, and that's my concern. I think they will try the Seattle Scheme approach and do it in their own flavor.

I expect 4 man rushes with a crowded secondary. It's proven to be the only thing to effectively slow down the Chiefs and the Chiefs still struggle with it.

CEH was brought in to help address that, but Reid forgot he existed on Sunday and had Mahomes drop back 47 times.

I'm reminded of the Colts last year, and Mahomes talking about how they came out and ran a defense that they've never ran, and thus the Chiefs weren't prepared. The Colts flipped their script and started doing the things the Chiefs struggled against.

I'm reminded of NFL Hardkocks, where seemingly everytime we caught a Chargers coach watching game film they were watching the Chiefs....

And to think the Ravens haven't been working on a Chiefs specific approach is silly. They've had all offseason to think about how they'll attack Mahomes.

[duncan_idaho]

Exactly, and that's my concern. I think they will try the Seattle Scheme approach and do it in their own flavor.

I expect 4 man rushes with a crowded secondary. It's proven to be the only thing to effectively slow down the Chiefs and the Chiefs still struggle with it.

CEH was brought in to help address that, but Reid forgot he existed on Sunday and had Mahomes drop back 47 times.

I'm reminded of the Colts last year, and Mahomes talking about how they came out and ran a defense that they've never ran, and thus the Chiefs weren't prepared. The Colts flipped their script and started doing the things the Chiefs struggled against.

I'm reminded of NFL Hardkocks, where seemingly everytime we caught a Chargers coach watching game film they were watching the Chiefs....

And to think the Ravens haven't been working on a Chiefs specific approach is silly. They've had all offseason to think about how they'll attack Mahomes.


But if you don’t get home against Mahomes with a 4-man rush the Chiefs will carve you up.

It’s a risky strategy.

Healthy Mahomes + all weapons eats zones up. If you’re not getting home, the Chiefs have time to run all their routes, and the Chiefs can use their crazy skill personnel to make you pay.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Exactly, and that's my concern. I think they will try the Seattle Scheme approach and do it in their own flavor.

I expect 4 man rushes with a crowded secondary. It's proven to be the only thing to effectively slow down the Chiefs and the Chiefs still struggle with it.

CEH was brought in to help address that, but Reid forgot he existed on Sunday and had Mahomes drop back 47 times.

I'm reminded of the Colts last year, and Mahomes talking about how they came out and ran a defense that they've never ran, and thus the Chiefs weren't prepared. The Colts flipped their script and started doing the things the Chiefs struggled against.

I'm reminded of NFL Hardkocks, where seemingly everytime we caught a Chargers coach watching game film they were watching the Chiefs....

And to think the Ravens haven't been working on a Chiefs specific approach is silly. They've had all offseason to think about how they'll attack Mahomes.

Well if we’re sitting here talking about this possibility, by God Reid and his staff had better be considering it too.

The good news again is I think we can run the football better early against Baltimore without a doubt and that might allow us to stay in comfortable down and distances that don’t tip run or pass.

But there’s no excuse to not have a plan ready for any and all defensive approaches in a game as big as this.

[RunKC]

Uh it’s gonna be tough as hell to run the ball. Calais Campbell, Derek Wolfe and Brandon Williams is an elite run defending front and Queen is a nice LB.

We’re gonna have to do those outside zone runs if we want to have success

[smithandrew051]

Well if we’re sitting here talking about this possibility, by God Reid and his staff had better be considering it too.

The good news again is I think we can run the football better early against Baltimore without a doubt and that might allow us to stay in comfortable down and distances that don’t tip run or pass.

But there’s no excuse to not have a plan ready for any and all defensive approaches in a game as big as this.

Staylor is Veach, so we know they have an eye on this board

[MMXcalibur]

I'm hoping the return of Mike Pennel is our savior on run defense, otherwise this is going to be a looooooong night...


....until Mahomes comes back and wins it after trailing by 21 points with :48 left in regulation.

[htismaqe]

If they run a blitz-heavy scheme, that would be a way to take advantage of what Gay does well currently without overwhelming him with responsibilities.

I don't think we'll see a lot of outside blitzes. That's a good way to lose containment and let him run wild.

They'll probably zone blitz and keep the DE's back to keep Jackson from running outside.

They played a lot of read and react last year and it worked.

[staylor26]

Uh it’s gonna be tough as hell to run the ball. Calais Campbell, Derek Wolfe and Brandon Williams is an elite run defending front and Queen is a nice LB.

We’re gonna have to do those outside zone runs if we want to have success

Queen is not very good against the run...

[htismaqe]

You must be one of those fans that only watch your team, which is obvious by your comments. Lamar goes through his progressions pretty well actually, especially given his age and the fact that he knows how dynamic he can be with his legs. The Ravens have made a point to spread the ball much more this season and not force feed their TE's.

This isn't 100% directed at you but, Ravens fans do not think Lamar is better than Mahomes, lets be clear on that to people on here. This narrative that our Defense isn't good is pretty funny though. The Tavon injury was pretty big but not something that is so catostrophic that we can't come back from it. Wink will scheme up ways to hide or deficiencies. The O-line is a concern but without an extended training camp we knew it would take some games for that to come together. This is a very good Ravens team. Not unbeatable by any stretch.

Nobody said your defense isn't good. It isn't as good as last year. Through 3 quarters last year, the Chiefs basically did whatever they wanted.

[staylor26]

Uh it’s gonna be tough as hell to run the ball. Calais Campbell, Derek Wolfe and Brandon Williams is an elite run defending front and Queen is a nice LB.

We’re gonna have to do those outside zone runs if we want to have success

Also, Kareem Hunt had 5.5 YPC and Chubb had 6 week 1...

[smithandrew051]

Also, Kareem Hunt had 5.5 YPC and Chubb had 6 week 1...

Our running backs averaged almost 7 yards per carry against them last year without Damien Williams and Eric Fisher. Also didn’t have Tyreek keeping them honest.

[DelaWhere?]

Nobody said your defense isn't good. It isn't as good as last year. Through 3 quarters last year, the Chiefs basically did whatever they wanted.

Bold statement. We upgraded our D-Line with Calais and Wolfe. Upgraded our Linebackers Corps with the additions of Queen and Harrison. Still have two All-pro caliber CB’s (if not the best duo) in Humphrey and Peters. The only question mark is how big of a loss was Earl Thomas. If you ask most Ravens fans it wasn’t a big one. He was a locker room cancer and the team seemed to want him gone.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Uh it’s gonna be tough as hell to run the ball. Calais Campbell, Derek Wolfe and Brandon Williams is an elite run defending front and Queen is a nice LB.

We’re gonna have to do those outside zone runs if we want to have success

Ok, let’s pretend that is 3 of their front 4, including Judon too.

Then we’ll just pass the damn ball since that group leaves a bit to be desired there, and hopefully execute the simple plays early in doing so.

[staylor26]

Ok, let’s pretend that is 3 of their front 4, including Judon too.

Then we’ll just pass the damn ball since that group leaves a bit to be desired there, and hopefully execute the simple plays early in doing so.

His point is pretty much baseless anyways. The Browns ran the football very well week 1, and that’s without the real threat of a passing game.

[DaneMcCloud]

If we all simultaneously put JakeF on 'ignore,' CP could achieve herd immunity and rid ourselves of his pestilience.

His Neg Reps are even dumber than his posts, something I didn't think was even possible.

[Coochie liquor]

Damn I’m ready for Monday night. Our offense is gonna have that defense wore out. Only pumped in crowd noise, no fans. The only thing we have going against us is we got a little beat up against LA, and we gotta go across the country between games. Aside from that I don’t think there’s much of an advantage for Baltimore. If Sammy can play it might get ugly. Gonna see Andy go full ham with playcalling. Our defense is gonna get some pressure on that banged up line, and Jones, Clark, Taco, and Nnadi are gonna have Lamar spooked. Chiefs got punched in the mouth last week and responded by punching back. I think they’re gonna be focused and loose. Just another game to KC, they’ve got nothing to prove. Baltimore has some pressure coming in, haven’t beaten Mahomes yet, and have had this game circled. Start to fall behind again, and those old feelings are gonna start creeping in, and you’ll see Lamar sitting on the bench looking like Keenan Allen was at the end of the game last week.

[Coochie liquor]

Bold statement. We upgraded our D-Line with Calais and Wolfe. Upgraded our Linebackers Corps with the additions of Queen and Harrison. Still have two All-pro caliber CB’s (if not the best duo) in Humphrey and Peters. The only question mark is how big of a loss was Earl Thomas. If you ask most Ravens fans it wasn’t a big one. He was a locker room cancer and the team seemed to want him gone.

Derek Wolfe?? The Chiefs own that guy, especially Mahomes. Don’t believe me? Straight from the horses mouth.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ravenswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/02/derek-wolfe-excited-to-not-have-to-play-against-patrick-mahomes-twice-a-season/amp/

“I mean I’m glad I don’t have to play against (Mahomes) twice a year now,” Wolfe said, per Mike Klis of 9News. “Because he was such a huge pain in the ass. You’d get a lead on him and they’d still find a way to come back. They have such a good team all around. I’m excited to be part of another team that’s looking just like that.”

Derek Wolfe and Lamar = 0 for....

[htismaqe]

Bold statement. We upgraded our D-Line with Calais and Wolfe. Upgraded our Linebackers Corps with the additions of Queen and Harrison. Still have two All-pro caliber CB’s (if not the best duo) in Humphrey and Peters. The only question mark is how big of a loss was Earl Thomas. If you ask most Ravens fans it wasn’t a big one. He was a locker room cancer and the team seemed to want him gone.

Campbell, at his age, might be a slight upgrade.

You'll find out how much of an upgrade Derek Wolfe is soon enough. The guy disappears in big games and usually spend 2 or 3 games a year sitting on the bench nursing injuries.

We know all about Marcus Peters. The risk with him is equal to the reward.

EDIT: Our offense is upgraded as well. Damien Williams, Eric Fisher, and Tyreek Hill did not play. We had 2 non-starters playing on the offensive line, one of which was so bad, he's now on IR in Dallas. You're going to get a completely different offense this year with an improved Patirck Mahomes and a significantly improved running game.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Derek Wolfe?? The Chiefs own that guy, especially Mahomes. Don’t believe me? Straight from the horses mouth.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/ravenswire.usatoday.com/2020/04/02/derek-wolfe-excited-to-not-have-to-play-against-patrick-mahomes-twice-a-season/amp/

“I mean I’m glad I don’t have to play against (Mahomes) twice a year now,” Wolfe said, per Mike Klis of 9News. “Because he was such a huge pain in the ass. You’d get a lead on him and they’d still find a way to come back. They have such a good team all around. I’m excited to be part of another team that’s looking just like that.”

Derek Wolfe and Lamar = 0 for....

Oof. That quote after this past Sunday is gold.

[RunKC]

His point is pretty much baseless anyways. The Browns ran the football very well week 1, and that’s without the real threat of a passing game.

It was 24-6 in the 2nd quarter and Baker was a disaster. I don’t think the Ravens really cared that they ran the ball to eat time.

Chubb and Kareem had some good runs though. Then again that’s the best RB duo in the league IMO

[RunKC]

Ok, let’s pretend that is 3 of their front 4, including Judon too.

Then we’ll just pass the damn ball since that group leaves a bit to be desired there, and hopefully execute the simple plays early in doing so.

I’d like to see us come out in 11 personnel early and force the issue to set up passes early. It just depends on what Martindale has up his sleeve.

When the time comes for us and we struggle, be it against the Chargers, Patriots or whatever defense gives us some issues, I would love to see 21 personnel. Get Tyreek in the back field with Clyde and set up some screens, passes to the flat or even misdirection.

[staylor26]

It was 24-6 in the 2nd quarter and Baker was a disaster. I don’t think the Ravens really cared that they ran the ball to eat time.

Chubb and Kareem had some good runs though. Then again that’s the best RB duo in the league IMO

They ran the ball well early too...

With no threat of a passing game...

[htismaqe]

They ran the ball well early too...

With no threat of a passing game...

The first 5 runs of the game were 11, 0, 29, 22, and -2.

They had a running game but an early INT and a fumble on a gadget play screwed them.

[Coochie liquor]

For anyone interested, the gif wars on Reddit Chiefs and Ravens pages are top notch.

[staylor26]

The first 5 runs of the game were 11, 0, 29, 22, and -2.

They had a running game but an early INT and a fumble on a gadget play screwed them.

When RunKC pushes a narrative, he will ignore all evidence to the contrary.

Never mind the fact that we had no problem running the ball last year with LeSean fucking McCoy and Erving at LT.

[Coochie liquor]

For anyone interested, the gif wars on Reddit Chiefs and Ravens pages are top notch.

[RunKC]

They ran the ball well early too...

With no threat of a passing game...

Pro bowl RB backed up by OROTY. That’s a pretty damn good duo.

I wouldn’t take a small sample size for the majority here considering the Ravens were 5th in run defense last year and still gave up 165 rush yards to Chubb in their loss to them in 2019.

They shut down the Texans for 51 rush yards last Sunday, who they coincidentally had 7 YPC on us from Johnson.

I love Clyde, but he hasn’t proven to be consistent between the tackles against good defenses. Texans are ass on defense minus Watt and Cunningham. Clyde had one good run against the Chargers, but the other 9 were for barely over 2 YPC.

The key here is going to be the OL and passing game setting up Clyde for success IMO

[TLO]

Harrison Butker hits a 69 yard FG to win it at the end of regulation.

Chiefs 31
Ravens 28

[staylor26]

Pro bowl RB backed up by OROTY. That’s a pretty damn good duo.

I wouldn’t take a small sample size for the majority here considering the Ravens were 5th in run defense last year and still gave up 165 rush yards to Chubb in their loss to them in 2019.

They shut down the Texans for 51 rush yards last Sunday, who they coincidentally had 7 YPC on us from Johnson.

I love Clyde, but he hasn’t proven to be consistent between the tackles against good defenses. Texans are ass on defense minus Watt and Cunningham. Clyde had one good run against the Chargers, but the other 9 were for barely over 2 YPC.

The key here is going to be the OL and passing game setting up Clyde for success IMO

Lol small sample size that you’re comparing to another small sample size LMAO

LeSean McCoy had 6.8 YPC against the Ravens last year with Cameron Erving at LT.

Will you stop with this stupid shit?

[MMXcalibur]

Harrison Butker hits a 69 yard FG to win it at the end of regulation.

Chiefs 31
Ravens 28

Nice.

[TEX]

FWIW, The Ravens leaped over Chiefs in the week 3 NFL Power Rankings to take over the top spot.

[Megatron96]

The key to this game will be very simple: can the Ravens get consistent pressure with just their four down DLs, or do they have to bring a 5th player to get to Mahomes?

Whether the Ravens D is better or not is irrelevant. The Chiefs have faced and beaten the best defenses in the league in the biggest games, and the only way any team has consistently put the brakes on Mahomes is by being able to get home with just 4 DLs.

Last year BAL couldn't. Is the addition of Calais and that other guy I'm drawing a blank on right now enough? We really don't know. Their performance against the Browns bottom-feeding OL or the Texans nearly equally inept OL doesn't really tell us anything.

Maybe they are better than last year. But are they as good as that Chargers front? Or the 49ers front?

[RunKC]

Lol small sample size that you’re comparing to another small sample size LMAO

You clearly didn’t read my post bc it said they were 5th in run defense last year, as in a full 16 game sample size. They also added Campbell who was damn good at Jacksonville as well as Wolfe who was good when he was healthy.

LeSean McCoy had 6.8 YPC against the Ravens last year with Cameron Erving at LT.

Will you stop with this stupid shit?

Again read my post and comprehend it dude LMAO

Here let me help:

The key here is going to be the OL and passing game setting up Clyde for success IMO

Translation: the passing game will open up the running game and help the OL like it did last year, which is why I said I want us to come out in 11 personnel and throw the ball.

They have a very good run defense despite you falsely stating otherwise. We can run the ball on even the best run defense if Pat is destroying them passing the ball. Ravens got ran on last year bc they were getting torched through the air and had to start putting more DB’s on the field and play the pass full time

[burt]

FWIW, The Ravens leaped over Chiefs in the week 3 NFL Power Rankings to take over the top spot.

I can't wait for this game! Bet we don't come out flat....and Pennel.

[smithandrew051]

Andy is going to open up the playbook this week.

Have we even thrown a screen to CEH yet? I don’t remember much pre-snap motion so far yet either.

Andy knows this game likely decides HFA. He’s whipping it out this week.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Hitchens has to go. He is ass

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Great position by Clark here on the pitch. Unfortunately Hitchens couldn’t flow down the line quick enough to cut off the back. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/AChOOAiMEa">pic.twitter.com/AChOOAiMEa</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1308456000962400259?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> have both backers carry to the safeties in their zones. Hitchens carries rather far then gets turned around. Back has a ton of free real estate out of the flats. Team missing Breeland &amp; Ward both would get off the block and make the tackle. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/SnrpJEiYwT">pic.twitter.com/SnrpJEiYwT</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1308455310143750145?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">First play. Hitchens fills the right spot with Jones crashing down. The offensive lineman helped keep the back up after he absorbed the blow and gain about 7 extra yards. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JacobsEyeInTheSky?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JacobsEyeInTheSky</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://t.co/fBfEI7dzqA">pic.twitter.com/fBfEI7dzqA</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1308452006122659842?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[flock]

Yeah, better up front (significantly), better in the secondary (even without James), and better at LB.

There is no statistical evidence to support this ridiculous statement.

[Mecca]

There is no statistical evidence to support this ridiculous statement.

Take a look at what the Chargers put on the field, that defense is ultra talented.

[UChieffyBugger]

FWIW, The Ravens leaped over Chiefs in the week 3 NFL Power Rankings to take over the top spot.

Not on the ranking i saw.

[staylor26]

You clearly didn’t read my post bc it said they were 5th in run defense last year, as in a full 16 game sample size. They also added Campbell who was damn good at Jacksonville as well as Wolfe who was good when he was healthy.



Again read my post and comprehend it dude LMAO

Here let me help:



Translation: the passing game will open up the running game and help the OL like it did last year, which is why I said I want us to come out in 11 personnel and throw the ball.

They have a very good run defense despite you falsely stating otherwise. We can run the ball on even the best run defense if Pat is destroying them passing the ball. Ravens got ran on last year bc they were getting torched through the air and had to start putting more DB’s on the field and play the pass full time

I was clearly referring to comparing week 2 to week 1.

I don’t care what they finished in run D last year. I care about what we did with an old brokedick RB and one of the worst OT’s in football.

We ran the ball fine last year and that was without CEH, Fisher, and the threat of Tyreek.

Also, you continue to throw Wolfe’s name around like he’s not an old brokedick. Campbell is no spring chicken either. They lost Wormley, who’s a better player than Wolfe at this point. They might’ve upgraded their interior pass rush with Campbell, but other than that it’s not a huge difference from last years DL.

[Megatron96]

Don’t you have to try that Chargers/49ers style of approach though if you’re Martindale?

They’ve tried the blitz heavy stuff the last two years and it hasn’t worked well enough. Now they have Peters, who maybe can steal one in a deep zone with his eyes on Mahomes.

I know, they’d still give up points cause the talent isn’t on par with LAC, but it’s the only scheme that really has given Mahomes and Reid much trouble beyond a half of football.

Not on the ranking i saw.

Well someone thinks so. Vegas seems to think Baltimore is going to win by at least three points.

[duncan_idaho]

There is no statistical evidence to support this ridiculous statement.

It's not ridiculous if you aren't a Ravens fan.

Statistical evidence? Let's compare units:

"Front" players (not a 1x1 since we're comparing a 43 to a 34 base scheme)
Bosa, Ingram, Tillery, Joseph vs. Campbell, Wolfe, Judon, Williams

This is a nod to the Chargers at this point, and it really wasn't close. Joseph is still a run-plugging machine, and he and Williams are similar. Bosa is better than Campbell at this point in their careers, Judon and Ingram are equivalent, with perhaps a slight edge to Judon, and Tillery is better than Derek Wolfe is, was, or ever will be.

LB
Again, we're comparing different fronts, but let's use this grouping:

Murray, Perryman, Kyzir White vs. Queen, McPhee, Fort

I give Murray the edge here over Queen (bigger, drafted higher), and rest are equivalent... good scheme fits who execute well.

Secondary
Peters and Humphrey are an outstanding CB duo and better than the Chargers' best 2 CB (Chris Harris and Heyward), but the Chargers have major advantages beyond their top two corners. Their 3rd CB is much better than the Ravens' current options, and they're stronger at safety with Adderly and/or Desmond King back there.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

And to build onto your point Duncan, while I think Peters and Humphrey are a better duo too, they are not as reliable when it comes to staying assignment sound as LA’s corners. In that stagnant scheme where preventing big plays is the #1 goal, you can count on Harris and Hayward more to do that IMO.

If we’re assuming the Ravens try to replicate a zone heavy game plan.

[staylor26]

I find it hard to believe the Ravens are going to drastically change what they do.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

The Ravens really just don’t match up well with the Chiefs. Watching them and I don’t see any difference from last year on both sides of the ball. If the Chiefs don’t make stupid mistakes they’ll win. The Chargers match up better with us than the Ravens.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

I find it hard to believe the Ravens are going to drastically change what they do.

I’m not really sure what they’ve been doing so far TBH. We’ve never played them since acquiring Peters, it would make sense if his addition resulted in more zone coverages.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Sneed is keeping this defense alive

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">L&#39;Jarius Sneed is saving the Chiefs while Bashaud Breeland is suspended and Charvarius Ward is dealing with a fractured hand. <br><br>He&#39;s been tremendous. <a href="https://t.co/hC4QfSUM7M">https://t.co/hC4QfSUM7M</a></p>&mdash; Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattVerderame/status/1308421021393969152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[smithandrew051]

I really think our secondary is going to be lethal by mid-season.

Breeland, Ward, Fenton, and Sneed at CB. Mathieu and a healthy in-shape Thornhill at safety. That’s gotta be a top 5-10 group.

[RunKC]

I actually think Fenton has been okay out there so far. Yeah he technically gave up that TD but Sorenson left his man and totally fucked him there.

I like him against possession type receivers. Great value for a late round pick

[smithandrew051]

I actually think Fenton has been okay out there so far. Yeah he technically gave up that TD but Sorenson left his man and totally fucked him there.

I like him against possession type receivers. Great value for a late round pick

I especially like him as our 4th best corner. We’ve had PLENTY of teams in the past where he would’ve been our best.

[St. Patty's Fire]

I actually think Fenton has been okay out there so far. Yeah he technically gave up that TD but Sorenson left his man and totally fucked him there.

I like him against possession type receivers. Great value for a late round pick

Fenton did his job there. That’s also a ridiculous throw that I’m sure Fenton just didn’t expect Herbert to attempt.

[htismaqe]

Fenton did his job there. That’s also a ridiculous throw that I’m sure Fenton just didn’t expect Herbert to attempt.

No, sorry. Fenton's job was to maintain the deep 3rd zone. He screwed up by vacating the zone and biting on the up man.

[St. Patty's Fire]

No, sorry. Fenton's job was to maintain the deep 3rd zone. He screwed up by vacating the zone and biting on the up man.

Jt O’Sullivan broke the play down in this video. I recommend everyone watches it.

https://youtu.be/wykXPqN7JCI

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

We have 29 missed tackles in the league so far. Second worst. Only team worse than us is the Jets with 40

[RunKC]

Also, you continue to throw Wolfe’s name around like he’s not an old brokedick. They lost Wormley, who’s a better player than Wolfe at this point.

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[htismaqe]

Nothing he said refutes my post.

The Chiefs were in a 3-deep zone. The slot WR got separation in his zone and Fenton bit up instead of staying in his zone.

EDIT: Nevermind. Later in the analysis he said the DB is definitely trying to hedge. So he absolutely agrees with me.

[staylor26]

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I’m not pimping Wormley to be anything more than a run stuffer (a key part of that 2019 Ravens run D you’re sucking off), but Wolfe is an old brokedick at this point. He just gives you significantly more of a pass rush than a guy like Wormley, but he’s not a better run stuffer. We’re talking about run defense here specifically.

Why do you think Derek Wolfe is still a really good player? He’s not. There’s a reason the Broncos let him walk.

[St. Patty's Fire]

Nothing he said refutes my post.

The Chiefs were in a 3-deep zone. The slot WR got separation in his zone and Fenton bit up instead of staying in his zone.

EDIT: Nevermind. Later in the analysis he said the DB is definitely trying to hedge. So he absolutely agrees with me.

I could have sworn he said the DB did what he could and it’s not really on him but I guess I wasn’t paying enough attention

[htismaqe]

I could have sworn he said the DB did what he could and it’s not really on him but I guess I wasn’t paying enough attention

That 4 vert set is designed to create 2-on-1 situations, as he described. As soon as the underneath WR got behind the zone, Fenton bit up leaving that back 3rd open.

Unfortunately, it was really a no-win situation. If Fenton stayed back, the slot WR probably could have scored (Niemann might have been able to make a play on that pass bu who knows).

The problem with zone defense is you have to do your job and trust the other guys to do theirs. Fenton in this instance tried to cover for someone else and left his zone vacant, so he takes the blame.

Like I said, they might have scored anyway but then it's on someone other than Fenton.

[htismaqe]

Derek Wolfe is not a top-tier player anymore. Arguably, he really never was.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

That’s a no man’s land deal for Fenton — corners are taught to split the difference in that situation, if not lean a little inside because it’s the easier throw.

If you’ve got multiple verticals coming at a cover 3 zone, it puts the deep 1/3 defenders in major binds.

[staylor26]

Derek Wolfe is not a top-tier player anymore. Arguably, he really never was.

RunKC seems to think he’s still in his prime, even though he was pretty much non-existent the last couple years when we played Denver.

Him and Campbell are better overall players than what they had there last year because of their pass rush (should’ve specified that when I was talking Wormley vs. Wolfe initially), but this idea that their top 5 run D got so much better after they lost Wormley and Pierce, just simply isn’t true. The difference is in the pass rush, not the run defense. They actually probably lost a little bit of run D in favor of pass rush.

Campbell is 34 and Wolfe might “only” be 30, but his body has taken an absolute beating throughout his career.

[htismaqe]

That’s a no man’s land deal for Fenton — corners are taught to split the difference in that situation, if not lean a little inside because it’s the easier throw.

If you’ve got multiple verticals coming at a cover 3 zone, it puts the deep 1/3 defenders in major binds.

Correct. The whole offensive play is designed to make guys split the difference. As O'Sullivan said, it creates 2on1 matchups.

[RunKC]

Derek Wolfe is not a top-tier player anymore. Arguably, he really never was.

He’s not and has never been. His peak was in 2015 as a very good support pass rusher which is what the Ravens signed him to do.

Wolfe is an upgrade over Wormley. When he’s heathy (*when) he’s a solid run defender and nice supporting pass rusher. Make no mistake they got Campbell and Wolfe for Pat. They knew they didn’t have an interior rush worth a damn.

So far that duo has done pretty well for them. Campbell has a sack, 3 QB hits, 3 3 passes defended and 1 TFL and Wolfe has 2 QB hits.

We’ll see how they do this weekend. I’m excited for Osemele vs Campbell. That will be an awesome battle.

[staylor26]

You went from talking about run defense to pass rush.

We were talking about run defense. Campbell and Wolfe aren’t a significant upgrade in terms of run defens. Wormley, Pierce, and Williams gave them 3 run stuffers, which is why they were top 5 last year in run defense.

Their interior pass rush was upgraded, yes. That has nothing to do with the run defense being upgraded.

[Megatron96]

Not that it really matters, but it looked like Fenton was kind of left twisting in the wind there. If he stays wide and deep, that slot receiver was going to be open, though the throw would have to be pretty good. If he comes inside, that outside receiver is also going to be open, but again not the easiest throw. In the milliseconds he had to make a decision, he decided to come inside. And I can't say that I would've done any different against a rookie QB. I mean, I'd like to think I'd have stayed wide, but I don't know. I think maybe Fenton decided "this rookie QB is going to throw the ball to the slot because Rookie QBs do that most of the time," and he was wrong this time.

[RunKC]

You went from talking about run defense to pass rush.

We were talking about run defense. Campbell and Wolfe aren’t a significant upgrade in terms of run defens. Wormley, Pierce, and Williams gave them 3 run stuffers, which is why they were top 5 last year in run defense.

Their interior pass rush was upgraded, yes. That has nothing to do with the run defense being upgraded.

Campbell is a really good all around player. Wolfe is a solid run defender, especially next to Campbell.

No offense but DeCosta is an elite GM. It says a lot about Wormley that they willingly traded him to their biggest rival. That’s what they thought of him.

I’m taking DeCosta’s opinion over yours

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Ravens held OBJ to 22 yards in Week 1 and Will Fuller to 0 targets in Week 2. Next up: Tyreek Hill<br><br>Should be an outstanding battle on Monday Night Football</p>&mdash; Mike Clay (@MikeClayNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeClayNFL/status/1308459595594166272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[staylor26]

Campbell is a really good all around player. Wolfe is a solid run defender, especially next to Campbell.

No offense but DeCosta is an elite GM. It says a lot about Wormley that they willingly traded him to their biggest rival. That’s what they thought of him.

I’m taking DeCosta’s opinion over yours

Lol wut?

DeCosta’s opinion over mine? I fully understand why the Ravens chose to upgrade their interior pass rush. I’m agreeing that they upgraded there and they obviously needed to.

But again, I’m talking specifically about run defense because that’s what we were talking about from the beginning.

Just because the Ravens traded Wormley to the Steelers and signed Wolfe doesn’t mean that they upgraded their run defense. Same with Pierce/Campbell. That’s not even necessarily DeCosta’s “opinion” and to say that is baseless. It’s pretty obvious those moves were about pass rush like I said.

[htismaqe]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Ravens held OBJ to 22 yards in Week 1 and Will Fuller to 0 targets in Week 2. Next up: Tyreek Hill<br><br>Should be an outstanding battle on Monday Night Football</p>&mdash; Mike Clay (@MikeClayNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/MikeClayNFL/status/1308459595594166272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sounds great in theory but if you take out Reek, you're gonna get burned by Watkins and Kelce.

The Texans and Browns aren't even close to the Chiefs.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

Sounds great in theory but if you take out Reek, you're gonna get burned by Watkins and Kelce.

The Texans and Browns aren't even close to the Chiefs.

Is Watkins even gonna play?

[ModSocks]

Sounds great in theory but if you take out Reek, you're gonna get burned by Watkins and Kelce.

The Texans and Browns aren't even close to the Chiefs.

Hopefully Watkins is a go. Robinson and Hardman aren't ready to fill those shoes.

Hardman needs to hit the books and Robinson needs to hit the jugs machine.

[htismaqe]

Is Watkins even gonna play?

They haven't said anything to the effect that he won't. Keep in mind, Tyreek didn't play last year and Hardman burned them big.

[Truzzz]

Ravens/Ratbirds/Shitbirds/Crows fan in piece! ��
I was having a look at the forum and wanted to throw my 2 cents in, purely for genuinely well intended chat.

This is easily our Superbowl. Be that a positive or a negative. Mahomes and Reid are living rent free in Harbaughs head. That was proven last year with the ridiculous 4th down and 2pt coaching calls.
I do think we have the advantage in terms of lineup this game though.

Defence
There seems to be a lot of chat about us being unable to generate a pass rush. We hit Watson 13 times last week, the most in his career. We don't have many 1 on 1 great pass rushers, but that's often overemphasized. And not our scheme. We play a 3-4. With Wolfe, Williams and Campbell on the line.
We then often load the LOS with LBs and DBs. Half our sacks have come from "Blitzers" but we often rush four and drop people you wouldn't expect. Judon and Bowser are two of the best coverage SAM LBs in the league. Judon dropped nearly half his snaps last week. Calais had 3 passes defensed and a tip for a pick against the Browns. The pressure scheme is manufactured brilliantly as opposed to singular great talent.
This works excellently against the younger confused. QBs, or the static ones who find it impossible to dissect. However, Mahomes seems the cryptonite to this. And he's agile enough to take a 7 step drop, see who's coming, and arm it over the top.
On the back end Marlon is a top 3 CB in the league, and will probably shadow Hill. Peter's can get some silly picks but gets burned often as a trade off. Losing Tavon in the slot is huge. We have just four healthy corners now. The top two, and Jimmy Smith who's been playing safety this year. Anthony Averett is trash. Every throw at him has been completed this year.
Our safety's are unknown but our biggest strength.
Chuck Clark is a genius. He got the green dot before he'd even started, and Eric Weddle said he was telling him things even he'd missed after all his years. The Ravens just gave him a new contract and binned off Earl Thomas for punching him in training when Chuck called Earl out for getting burned on a play and not being into his tape. Team sided with Chuck and Earls history. DeShon Elliot plays FS. Hes had a huge reputation for years but had a couple of freak injuries. He's a vicious hitter and of pretty good in coverage. Arguably a step up from Early Thomas, but that's not saying much. He didn't care and was shite last year!

Offense
The Ravens offence gets all the plaudits, but I honestly think it trails the defence.
You have to respect what Lamar's doing. He's statistically the best passer of the football by 23 years old ever. He's thrown 1 INT in his last 29 touchdowns. In 9 games. Yes his running makes his passing easier, and I'm not getting into a debate about his long term health, but he's efficient, safe with the football, and scores points.
He can make every throw (despite what Twitter says) and he would be an above average NFL passer if he couldn't run. Mahomes however, is in a different Stratosphere. Lamar can take the offence on a 13 play 9 minute drive and eat up all the clock, and score points. Mahomes can do it in 90seconds. The winner of the game in my opinion, will be who does either of these the most often.
Hollywood brown spent last year with a screw in his foot, and wasn't allowed to take contact or get to full speed just incase. This year he looks a different player, and is a stud. His rookie numbers compared ever so slightly better than those of Hill. However he was a rs 1 pick and inserted straight away as starter.
Mark Andrews is one of the best receiving TEs in the league. But can't block a dot. So if he's in it tells you were passing. So he only plays about 55-65% of snaps.
Our major problem on offence is our line. It's been poor/awful this year.

Stanley is our premier LT, he's come out of the last two games with injuries. Fluker is the back up but is too slow, and we lose all ability to run pistol and alot of the read option with him in.
Bozeman (LG) is fine
Skura (C) he was superb until he blew his knee out last year, has rushed back but looks slow and overmatched.
Phillips (RG) Rookie. College RG, 3rd round pick. Played Tackle in college and going through usual growing pains.
Zeus (RT) Big immobile unit. Looks great but gets beaten by speed too often.

The Ravens line is the teams biggest weakness. Lamar bails them out more often than not by escaping the pocket and making a play, and therefore boosts their stats. But he was under pressure for over half his snaps in week 1.

I think it'll be a close game. Ravens pass rush is better than you seem to give it credit for, we've never just rushed a front four, but always get pressure. Yet the offensive line seems to get a lot more credit than it really deserves.
Lamars Lamar. You seem to be unable to praise him without people thinking you're giving Mahomes shit and vice versa.
I think the game will be won on whether Mahomes can do in 2-3 minutes what Lamar can do in 9. People reference the Titans loss, but Lamar got over 500 yards and had two TDs dropped in the end zone The defense shit the bed that game. He's also never lost in regular season primetime. But he's never beaten Mahomes. I can't call it, but it's gonna be a great game!

(Sorry if noone cares about my long post and purple ramblings!!)

[DaneMcCloud]

Hardman needs to hit the books and Robinson needs to hit the jugs machine.

I still cannot believe that some CP members thought the Chiefs would lose Robinson to a $4-6 million dollar per year deal.

LMAO

Those same people always undervalue the Chiefs current offensive linemen and overrate average skill position players.

It's like they don't understand the NFL in 2020.

[DaneMcCloud]

They haven't said anything to the effect that he won't. Keep in mind, Tyreek didn't play last year and Hardman burned them big.

Watkins posted on Twitter that he was fine and ready to go next week.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Doing well we all know football is a physical sport and we all are playing pretty fast things happen pretty quickly just happy I came out healthy on the next we will not be denied..! Great team win..! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LIMITLESS14?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LIMITLESS14</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SOLAR14?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SOLAR14</a></p>&mdash; King me (@sammywatkins) <a href="https://twitter.com/sammywatkins/status/1307865439507083264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[htismaqe]

Watkins posted on Twitter that he was fine and ready to go next week.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Doing well we all know football is a physical sport and we all are playing pretty fast things happen pretty quickly just happy I came out healthy on the next we will not be denied..! Great team win..! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LIMITLESS14?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LIMITLESS14</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SOLAR14?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SOLAR14</a></p>&mdash; King me (@sammywatkins) <a href="https://twitter.com/sammywatkins/status/1307865439507083264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Exactly. And the team hasn't said anything. My guess is that he's fine.

[Megatron96]

Ravens/Ratbirds/Shitbirds/Crows fan in piece! ��
I was having a look at the forum and wanted to throw my 2 cents in, purely for genuinely well intended chat.

This is easily our Superbowl. Be that a positive or a negative. Mahomes and Reid are living rent free in Harbaughs head. That was proven last year with the ridiculous 4th down and 2pt coaching calls.
I do think we have the advantage in terms of lineup this game though.

Defence
There seems to be a lot of chat about us being unable to generate a pass rush. We hit Watson 13 times last week, the most in his career. We don't have many 1 on 1 great pass rushers, but that's often overemphasized. And not our scheme. We play a 3-4. With Wolfe, Williams and Campbell on the line.
We then often load the LOS with LBs and DBs. Half our sacks have come from "Blitzers" but we often rush four and drop people you wouldn't expect. Judon and Bowser are two of the best coverage SAM LBs in the league. Judon dropped nearly half his snaps last week. Calais had 3 passes defensed and a tip for a pick against the Browns. The pressure scheme is manufactured brilliantly as opposed to singular great talent.
This works excellently against the younger confused. QBs, or the static ones who find it impossible to dissect. However, Mahomes seems the cryptonite to this. And he's agile enough to take a 7 step drop, see who's coming, and arm it over the top.
On the back end Marlon is a top 3 CB in the league, and will probably shadow Hill. Peter's can get some silly picks but gets burned often as a trade off. Losing Tavon in the slot is huge. We have just four healthy corners now. The top two, and Jimmy Smith who's been playing safety this year. Anthony Averett is trash. Every throw at him has been completed this year.
Our safety's are unknown but our biggest strength.
Chuck Clark is a genius. He got the green dot before he'd even started, and Eric Weddle said he was telling him things even he'd missed after all his years. The Ravens just gave him a new contract and binned off Earl Thomas for punching him in training when Chuck called Earl out for getting burned on a play and not being into his tape. Team sided with Chuck and Earls history. DeShon Elliot plays FS. Hes had a huge reputation for years but had a couple of freak injuries. He's a vicious hitter and of pretty good in coverage. Arguably a step up from Early Thomas, but that's not saying much. He didn't care and was shite last year!

Offense
The Ravens offence gets all the plaudits, but I honestly think it trails the defence.
You have to respect what Lamar's doing. He's statistically the best passer of the football by 23 years old ever. He's thrown 1 INT in his last 29 touchdowns. In 9 games. Yes his running makes his passing easier, and I'm not getting into a debate about his long term health, but he's efficient, safe with the football, and scores points.
He can make every throw (despite what Twitter says) and he would be an above average NFL passer if he couldn't run. Mahomes however, is in a different Stratosphere. Lamar can take the offence on a 13 play 9 minute drive and eat up all the clock, and score points. Mahomes can do it in 90seconds. The winner of the game in my opinion, will be who does either of these the most often.
Hollywood brown spent last year with a screw in his foot, and wasn't allowed to take contact or get to full speed just incase. This year he looks a different player, and is a stud. His rookie numbers compared ever so slightly better than those of Hill. However he was a rs 1 pick and inserted straight away as starter.
Mark Andrews is one of the best receiving TEs in the league. But can't block a dot. So if he's in it tells you were passing. So he only plays about 55-65% of snaps.
Our major problem on offence is our line. It's been poor/awful this year.

Stanley is our premier LT, he's come out of the last two games with injuries. Fluker is the back up but is too slow, and we lose all ability to run pistol and alot of the read option with him in.
Bozeman (LG) is fine
Skura (C) he was superb until he blew his knee out last year, has rushed back but looks slow and overmatched.
Phillips (RG) Rookie. College RG, 3rd round pick. Played Tackle in college and going through usual growing pains.
Zeus (RT) Big immobile unit. Looks great but gets beaten by speed too often.

The Ravens line is the teams biggest weakness. Lamar bails them out more often than not by escaping the pocket and making a play, and therefore boosts their stats. But he was under pressure for over half his snaps in week 1.

I think it'll be a close game. Ravens pass rush is better than you seem to give it credit for, we've never just rushed a front four, but always get pressure. Yet the offensive line seems to get a lot more credit than it really deserves.
Lamars Lamar. You seem to be unable to praise him without people thinking you're giving Mahomes shit and vice versa.
I think the game will be won on whether Mahomes can do in 2-3 minutes what Lamar can do in 9. People reference the Titans loss, but Lamar got over 500 yards and had two TDs dropped in the end zone The defense shit the bed that game. He's also never lost in regular season primetime. But he's never beaten Mahomes. I can't call it, but it's gonna be a great game!

(Sorry if noone cares about my long post and purple ramblings!!)

Not bad first post. I'll be courteous and welcome you to CP graciously.

The part about the BAL defense's pass rush is simple: with Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce teams are required to double both of them somehow. There's no single CB that can cover Hill solo. Usually this means a safety over the top. Then Kelce can't be covered by a single LB, so he also draws a safety or a DB.

That's four guys to cover two. With four up front (can't rush three, Titans proved that), that leaves 3 DB/LBs/S to cover Watkins, DRob, Hardman, and CEH in some combination. Watkins can't be covered by a single DB3/4. Hardman can be slowed for about three seconds in press man, but then he's gone. And I don't think there's a LB on your team that can cover CEH.

About the most effective scheme we've seen is some kind of double (DB/S) on Hill, a coverage LB and a big safety bracketing Kelce, and put your CB1 on Watkins. Basically what the 49ers did in LIV.

But for that to work your down DLs have to get home in under 4 seconds. If they can't, and Pat can just stand there, or worse, run around back there, your secondary will never cover Hill, Kelce and Watkins for 4 seconds and you're doomed.

It'll be interesting to see how the Ravens attack it this time around.

But I think the fact that Ward may not play and Thornhill is still not 100% might make a bigger difference than how your defense tries to slow down Pat. As of this moment, which might change tomorrow, we are short both our starting CBs, our best run defender hasn't played a snap since Feb., our DE2 might not play, and our second best safety is still not confident in his knee. Our defense is littered with back-ups and rookies at the moment.

[Megatron96]

Watkins posted on Twitter that he was fine and ready to go next week.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Doing well we all know football is a physical sport and we all are playing pretty fast things happen pretty quickly just happy I came out healthy on the next we will not be denied..! Great team win..! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LIMITLESS14?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LIMITLESS14</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SOLAR14?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SOLAR14</a></p>&mdash; King me (@sammywatkins) <a href="https://twitter.com/sammywatkins/status/1307865439507083264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Oh good. At least we're going to have a full complement of weapons on the field. And our two best man-beaters. Just made the BAL DC's job that much harder.

[duncan_idaho]

Ravens/Ratbirds/Shitbirds/Crows fan in piece! ��
I was having a look at the forum and wanted to throw my 2 cents in, purely for genuinely well intended chat.

This is easily our Superbowl. Be that a positive or a negative. Mahomes and Reid are living rent free in Harbaughs head. That was proven last year with the ridiculous 4th down and 2pt coaching calls.
I do think we have the advantage in terms of lineup this game though.

Defence
There seems to be a lot of chat about us being unable to generate a pass rush. We hit Watson 13 times last week, the most in his career. We don't have many 1 on 1 great pass rushers, but that's often overemphasized. And not our scheme. We play a 3-4. With Wolfe, Williams and Campbell on the line.
We then often load the LOS with LBs and DBs. Half our sacks have come from "Blitzers" but we often rush four and drop people you wouldn't expect. Judon and Bowser are two of the best coverage SAM LBs in the league. Judon dropped nearly half his snaps last week. Calais had 3 passes defensed and a tip for a pick against the Browns. The pressure scheme is manufactured brilliantly as opposed to singular great talent.
This works excellently against the younger confused. QBs, or the static ones who find it impossible to dissect. However, Mahomes seems the cryptonite to this. And he's agile enough to take a 7 step drop, see who's coming, and arm it over the top.
On the back end Marlon is a top 3 CB in the league, and will probably shadow Hill. Peter's can get some silly picks but gets burned often as a trade off. Losing Tavon in the slot is huge. We have just four healthy corners now. The top two, and Jimmy Smith who's been playing safety this year. Anthony Averett is trash. Every throw at him has been completed this year.
Our safety's are unknown but our biggest strength.
Chuck Clark is a genius. He got the green dot before he'd even started, and Eric Weddle said he was telling him things even he'd missed after all his years. The Ravens just gave him a new contract and binned off Earl Thomas for punching him in training when Chuck called Earl out for getting burned on a play and not being into his tape. Team sided with Chuck and Earls history. DeShon Elliot plays FS. Hes had a huge reputation for years but had a couple of freak injuries. He's a vicious hitter and of pretty good in coverage. Arguably a step up from Early Thomas, but that's not saying much. He didn't care and was shite last year!

Offense
The Ravens offence gets all the plaudits, but I honestly think it trails the defence.
You have to respect what Lamar's doing. He's statistically the best passer of the football by 23 years old ever. He's thrown 1 INT in his last 29 touchdowns. In 9 games. Yes his running makes his passing easier, and I'm not getting into a debate about his long term health, but he's efficient, safe with the football, and scores points.
He can make every throw (despite what Twitter says) and he would be an above average NFL passer if he couldn't run. Mahomes however, is in a different Stratosphere. Lamar can take the offence on a 13 play 9 minute drive and eat up all the clock, and score points. Mahomes can do it in 90seconds. The winner of the game in my opinion, will be who does either of these the most often.
Hollywood brown spent last year with a screw in his foot, and wasn't allowed to take contact or get to full speed just incase. This year he looks a different player, and is a stud. His rookie numbers compared ever so slightly better than those of Hill. However he was a rs 1 pick and inserted straight away as starter.
Mark Andrews is one of the best receiving TEs in the league. But can't block a dot. So if he's in it tells you were passing. So he only plays about 55-65% of snaps.
Our major problem on offence is our line. It's been poor/awful this year.

Stanley is our premier LT, he's come out of the last two games with injuries. Fluker is the back up but is too slow, and we lose all ability to run pistol and alot of the read option with him in.
Bozeman (LG) is fine
Skura (C) he was superb until he blew his knee out last year, has rushed back but looks slow and overmatched.
Phillips (RG) Rookie. College RG, 3rd round pick. Played Tackle in college and going through usual growing pains.
Zeus (RT) Big immobile unit. Looks great but gets beaten by speed too often.

The Ravens line is the teams biggest weakness. Lamar bails them out more often than not by escaping the pocket and making a play, and therefore boosts their stats. But he was under pressure for over half his snaps in week 1.

I think it'll be a close game. Ravens pass rush is better than you seem to give it credit for, we've never just rushed a front four, but always get pressure. Yet the offensive line seems to get a lot more credit than it really deserves.
Lamars Lamar. You seem to be unable to praise him without people thinking you're giving Mahomes shit and vice versa.
I think the game will be won on whether Mahomes can do in 2-3 minutes what Lamar can do in 9. People reference the Titans loss, but Lamar got over 500 yards and had two TDs dropped in the end zone The defense shit the bed that game. He's also never lost in regular season primetime. But he's never beaten Mahomes. I can't call it, but it's gonna be a great game!

(Sorry if noone cares about my long post and purple ramblings!!)

Re: the Ravens pass rush, it's not that people here think they can't generate pressure. Martendale is good at that. It's that the Ravens can't generate pressure the ONE way that has actually caused trouble for the Chiefs with Mahomes under center - by rushing four and dropping seven into a disciplined zone.

If Humphrey follows Hill, that's going to be a battle of attrition/fitness and chess. Hill is used in tons of motion and "travels" a freakish amount of yards each game, and Reid is willing to use him as a decoy if needed.

I disagree with the concept of Jackson making EVERY throw. I've watched both games this year. He throws the ball really well and accurately over the middle. He throws the ball well down the seams and throws good deep balls.

But man... working outside the hashes? I still don't see it. He can hit the flats, but ask him to drop an intermediate throw outside the hashes between zone coverage and he doesn't have the raw arm strength and accuracy to make that throw consistently.

My goal on defense is to put him in situations where he has to work outside the hashes. Much easier said than done. He presents a lot of problems and will be a handful.

Also think it's going to be a great game.

For the Chiefs, having Mike Pennel back at DT this week is a big factor. He gives them a really powerful anchor against the run and completely changed their run D last year.

Jones is going to be lined up over the two weakest links in the Ravens' OL, it sounds like. That will be a key matchup (as will Campbell if he gets 1x1 on Chiefs' RG Austin Wylie, who is not great against power players.

[Halfcan]

Stop the Ravens from running all over us is priority #1.

Win the toss and take the ball down and score. Make the Ravens play from behind a couple of scores.

Protect Mahomes- he took too many shots and a cheapshot last week.

Go to Kelce early and often. He was a beast last week.

[Hammock Parties]

Odds are the Chiefs lose a game to someone stupid before they lose a game like this.

And remember, we are in that team's head at this point.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Odds are the Chiefs lose a game to someone stupid before they lose a game like this.

And remember, we are in that team's head at this point.

Yeah I kinda wonder if we aren’t becoming to the Ravens what the Steelers became to us those several years there recently.

If KC wins this one, there will be no doubt.

[Truzzz]

Not bad first post. I'll be courteous and welcome you to CP graciously.

The part about the BAL defense's pass rush is simple: with Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce teams are required to double both of them somehow. There's no single CB that can cover Hill solo. Usually this means a safety over the top. Then Kelce can't be covered by a single LB, so he also draws a safety or a DB.

That's four guys to cover two. With four up front (can't rush three, Titans proved that), that leaves 3 DB/LBs/S to cover Watkins, DRob, Hardman, and CEH in some combination. Watkins can't be covered by a single DB3/4. Hardman can be slowed for about three seconds in press man, but then he's gone. And I don't think there's a LB on your team that can cover CEH.

About the most effective scheme we've seen is some kind of double (DB/S) on Hill, a coverage LB and a big safety bracketing Kelce, and put your CB1 on Watkins. Basically what the 49ers did in LIV.

But for that to work your down DLs have to get home in under 4 seconds. If they can't, and Pat can just stand there, or worse, run around back there, your secondary will never cover Hill, Kelce and Watkins for 4 seconds and you're doomed.

It'll be interesting to see how the Ravens attack it this time around.

But I think the fact that Ward may not play and Thornhill is still not 100% might make a bigger difference than how your defense tries to slow down Pat. As of this moment, which might change tomorrow, we are short both our starting CBs, our best run defender hasn't played a snap since Feb., our DE2 might not play, and our second best safety is still not confident in his knee. Our defense is littered with back-ups and rookies at the moment.


I'm honestly not sure how much they'll look to double them. We play alot of Dime and Quarter against 12 personnel, and they are pretty confident with their run defense. Which works. (Averaging under 4 yards per carry in Nickel.)
They'll play 3 safeties, 3 corners, Queen at MLB, 1 DT and 2 OLBs on the line. And blitz any combination of them. I think they'll put Marlon on Hill, Clark/Smith on Kelce and leave Elliot floating deep. But they'll mix coverage on the others and blitz anyone. They'll also throw a large amount of Zero blitzes in there. Even when it seems stupid. Game on the line, you can guarantee there's 8 men coming and it works more often than not.

Our pass rushes will not get home, and you'll year us apart if we rush a vanilla scheme. Our teams just not built to do that. Judon was franchised for his coverage skills as much as his sacks. He's never got more than 10 a year so I wouldn't be too worried about him if I was a chief!

I think Lamar's gonna get his. Like you said your D has been ripped apart.
Outside looking in, Chiefs have got a little bit of a reputation for starting slow, and Mahomes doing Mahomes things and winning it at the death. But the Ravens have broken the hearts of a lot of comebacks, with a 4th Quarter 12-13 minute drive. With 3 straying calibre RBs staying fresh on rotation till the end.
If the Ravens have a two score lead going into the fourth, they can hold the ball and see the game out.
If it's close or the Chiefs have the lead, with all your receivers and quick scoring ability, I don't think Lamar can keep.up with Mahomes in 15 minutes.

[Megatron96]

Overall this might be the toughest game the Chiefs play in the regular season, from a schematic standpoint anyway. They're built to run, basically a modified version of the wishbone practically, and we're not built to stop the run.

That said, we stopped the Titans running game, and then the 49ers running game, two different styles, but both just as effective as the Ravens running game. It took an entire half in both games, but no question Spags slowed both of those running games to a crawl in the second half.

But they are going to get yards on the ground, there's no stopping that. The question really is can they stop Hill, Kelce, Watkins and CEH in the passing game? And the foundation of that is getting home with only 4 pass rushing. If they can't generate consistent pressure only sending 4, Pat will carve their secondary up like Thanksgiving turkey.

[Truzzz]

Re: the Ravens pass rush, it's not that people here think they can't generate pressure. Martendale is good at that. It's that the Ravens can't generate pressure the ONE way that has actually caused trouble for the Chiefs with Mahomes under center - by rushing four and dropping seven into a disciplined zone.

If Humphrey follows Hill, that's going to be a battle of attrition/fitness and chess. Hill is used in tons of motion and "travels" a freakish amount of yards each game, and Reid is willing to use him as a decoy if needed.

I disagree with the concept of Jackson making EVERY throw. I've watched both games this year. He throws the ball really well and accurately over the middle. He throws the ball well down the seams and throws good deep balls.

But man... working outside the hashes? I still don't see it. He can hit the flats, but ask him to drop an intermediate throw outside the hashes between zone coverage and he doesn't have the raw arm strength and accuracy to make that throw consistently.

My goal on defense is to put him in situations where he has to work outside the hashes. Much easier said than done. He presents a lot of problems and will be a handful.

Also think it's going to be a great game.

For the Chiefs, having Mike Pennel back at DT this week is a big factor. He gives them a really powerful anchor against the run and completely changed their run D last year.

Jones is going to be lined up over the two weakest links in the Ravens' OL, it sounds like. That will be a key matchup (as will Campbell if he gets 1x1 on Chiefs' RG Austin Wylie, who is not great against power players.


I really do think they'll put Humphrey on him, it'll be Jimmy and Peters taking a side of the field each. And Humphrey following Hill. Marlon's been susceptible to getting beat deep before, could see him locking down Hill all day, and getting burned for a key TD with about 8 minutes to go in the 4th!

I take you're point on Jackson outside the Hashes. It's his weakest area. But he's thrown some lovely balls 20-30 yards downfield outside the Hashes in key scenarios. The one to ice the Atlanta game last year stands out. He just doesn't hit it with that power or consistency of Mahomes. But that's why he could never be Mahomes.
Does Jones line up left or right? If Stanley's fit, our left side is fantastic. But Zeus made a very broken Watt look like his 2016 prime last week. Phillips is fine for a rookie, but Jones is arguably the most dominant lineman not in LA in the league.

[Megatron96]

I really do think they'll put Humphrey on him, it'll be Jimmy and Peters taking a side of the field each. And Humphrey following Hill. Marlon's been susceptible to getting beat deep before, could see him locking down Hill all day, and getting burned for a key TD with about 8 minutes to go in the 4th!

I take you're point on Jackson outside the Hashes. It's his weakest area. But he's thrown some lovely balls 20-30 yards downfield outside the Hashes in key scenarios. The one to ice the Atlanta game last year stands out. He just doesn't hit it with that power or consistency of Mahomes. But that's why he could never be Mahomes.
Does Jones line up left or right? If Stanley's fit, our left side is fantastic. But Zeus made a very broken Watt look like his 2016 prime last week. Phillips is fine for a rookie, but Jones is arguably the most dominant lineman not in LA in the league.

Since early last season Daly and Spags have lined up Jones all over the place. They've even lined him up at DE. The only guys that seem to stay home are Pennel, Nnadi and Clark. Though I've seen Clark lined up at DT a few times as well. Just not that often.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Ravens/Ratbirds/Shitbirds/Crows fan in piece! ��
I was having a look at the forum and wanted to throw my 2 cents in, purely for genuinely well intended chat.

This is easily our Superbowl. Be that a positive or a negative. Mahomes and Reid are living rent free in Harbaughs head. That was proven last year with the ridiculous 4th down and 2pt coaching calls.
I do think we have the advantage in terms of lineup this game though.

Defence
There seems to be a lot of chat about us being unable to generate a pass rush. We hit Watson 13 times last week, the most in his career. We don't have many 1 on 1 great pass rushers, but that's often overemphasized. And not our scheme. We play a 3-4. With Wolfe, Williams and Campbell on the line.
We then often load the LOS with LBs and DBs. Half our sacks have come from "Blitzers" but we often rush four and drop people you wouldn't expect. Judon and Bowser are two of the best coverage SAM LBs in the league. Judon dropped nearly half his snaps last week. Calais had 3 passes defensed and a tip for a pick against the Browns. The pressure scheme is manufactured brilliantly as opposed to singular great talent.
This works excellently against the younger confused. QBs, or the static ones who find it impossible to dissect. However, Mahomes seems the cryptonite to this. And he's agile enough to take a 7 step drop, see who's coming, and arm it over the top.
On the back end Marlon is a top 3 CB in the league, and will probably shadow Hill. Peter's can get some silly picks but gets burned often as a trade off. Losing Tavon in the slot is huge. We have just four healthy corners now. The top two, and Jimmy Smith who's been playing safety this year. Anthony Averett is trash. Every throw at him has been completed this year.
Our safety's are unknown but our biggest strength.
Chuck Clark is a genius. He got the green dot before he'd even started, and Eric Weddle said he was telling him things even he'd missed after all his years. The Ravens just gave him a new contract and binned off Earl Thomas for punching him in training when Chuck called Earl out for getting burned on a play and not being into his tape. Team sided with Chuck and Earls history. DeShon Elliot plays FS. Hes had a huge reputation for years but had a couple of freak injuries. He's a vicious hitter and of pretty good in coverage. Arguably a step up from Early Thomas, but that's not saying much. He didn't care and was shite last year!

Offense
The Ravens offence gets all the plaudits, but I honestly think it trails the defence.
You have to respect what Lamar's doing. He's statistically the best passer of the football by 23 years old ever. He's thrown 1 INT in his last 29 touchdowns. In 9 games. Yes his running makes his passing easier, and I'm not getting into a debate about his long term health, but he's efficient, safe with the football, and scores points.
He can make every throw (despite what Twitter says) and he would be an above average NFL passer if he couldn't run. Mahomes however, is in a different Stratosphere. Lamar can take the offence on a 13 play 9 minute drive and eat up all the clock, and score points. Mahomes can do it in 90seconds. The winner of the game in my opinion, will be who does either of these the most often.
Hollywood brown spent last year with a screw in his foot, and wasn't allowed to take contact or get to full speed just incase. This year he looks a different player, and is a stud. His rookie numbers compared ever so slightly better than those of Hill. However he was a rs 1 pick and inserted straight away as starter.
Mark Andrews is one of the best receiving TEs in the league. But can't block a dot. So if he's in it tells you were passing. So he only plays about 55-65% of snaps.
Our major problem on offence is our line. It's been poor/awful this year.

Stanley is our premier LT, he's come out of the last two games with injuries. Fluker is the back up but is too slow, and we lose all ability to run pistol and alot of the read option with him in.
Bozeman (LG) is fine
Skura (C) he was superb until he blew his knee out last year, has rushed back but looks slow and overmatched.
Phillips (RG) Rookie. College RG, 3rd round pick. Played Tackle in college and going through usual growing pains.
Zeus (RT) Big immobile unit. Looks great but gets beaten by speed too often.

The Ravens line is the teams biggest weakness. Lamar bails them out more often than not by escaping the pocket and making a play, and therefore boosts their stats. But he was under pressure for over half his snaps in week 1.

I think it'll be a close game. Ravens pass rush is better than you seem to give it credit for, we've never just rushed a front four, but always get pressure. Yet the offensive line seems to get a lot more credit than it really deserves.
Lamars Lamar. You seem to be unable to praise him without people thinking you're giving Mahomes shit and vice versa.
I think the game will be won on whether Mahomes can do in 2-3 minutes what Lamar can do in 9. People reference the Titans loss, but Lamar got over 500 yards and had two TDs dropped in the end zone The defense shit the bed that game. He's also never lost in regular season primetime. But he's never beaten Mahomes. I can't call it, but it's gonna be a great game!

(Sorry if noone cares about my long post and purple ramblings!!)

I didn’t read these long ass posts when I used to frequent this board more often and I’m certainly not now lol.

[Truzzz]

I didn’t read these long ass posts when I used to frequent this board more often and I’m certainly not now lol.


K

Haha

[Chiefs Pantalones]

K

Haha

No offense lol...

But nobody gives a shit

[duncan_idaho]

I really do think they'll put Humphrey on him, it'll be Jimmy and Peters taking a side of the field each. And Humphrey following Hill. Marlon's been susceptible to getting beat deep before, could see him locking down Hill all day, and getting burned for a key TD with about 8 minutes to go in the 4th!

I take you're point on Jackson outside the Hashes. It's his weakest area. But he's thrown some lovely balls 20-30 yards downfield outside the Hashes in key scenarios. The one to ice the Atlanta game last year stands out. He just doesn't hit it with that power or consistency of Mahomes. But that's why he could never be Mahomes.
Does Jones line up left or right? If Stanley's fit, our left side is fantastic. But Zeus made a very broken Watt look like his 2016 prime last week. Phillips is fine for a rookie, but Jones is arguably the most dominant lineman not in LA in the league.

They'll move Jones around. I'd expect to see him lined up over Skura/Phillips a lot, probably with Clark right next to him.

I love the matchups of Hardman/Watkins vs. Peters/Smith. That's a big advantage to KC

[Ravens_Visitor]

I was clearly referring to comparing week 2 to week 1.

I don’t care what they finished in run D last year. I care about what we did with an old brokedick RB and one of the worst OT’s in football.

We ran the ball fine last year and that was without CEH, Fisher, and the threat of Tyreek.

Also, you continue to throw Wolfe’s name around like he’s not an old brokedick. Campbell is no spring chicken either. They lost Wormley, who’s a better player than Wolfe at this point. They might’ve upgraded their interior pass rush with Campbell, but other than that it’s not a huge difference from last years DL.

Ravens fan (obviously) here, but the Ravens thought so little of Wormley that they traded him to their biggest rival, the Steelers, for basically two crab cakes and a case of Natty Bo beer. He was just a guy. Derek Wolfe isn't a flashy guy, but he plays physically and will execute his assignment with sound technique and high football IQ. Last year the Ravens were susceptible to off tackle runs, partly due to players like Wormely not being able to penetrate or set the edge (and also SLOOOW linebackers). It's the reason the Ravens traded for Calais Campbell, attempted to sign Michael Brockers (they backed out and signed Derek Wolfe), then drafted Malik Harrison and Patrick Queen. Other than basically one drive against the Stains, the Ravens have shut down the run. The Ravens defense is built to stop the run first, then get quarterbacks into 3rd and long where Wink Martindale can unleash blitzes behind exotic fronts. This is why the Ravens might not get a lot sacks, but always generate a lot of QB pressure and hits. The team hasn't had truly a dominant pass rusher in years.

[Rukdafaidas]

Everyone keeps talking about the Ravens not having much of a pass rush, but I could swear Judon was all over Mahomes in our last meeting. I also recall some semi-late hits that he put on Mahomes.

[smithandrew051]

Everyone keeps talking about the Ravens not having much of a pass rush, but I could swear Judon was all over Mahomes in our last meeting. I also recall some semi-late hits that he put on Mahomes.

We also had Cam Erving starting at LT

[Rukdafaidas]

We also had Cam Erving starting at LT

Good god, no more explanation needed ROFL

[DRM08]

Everyone keeps talking about the Ravens not having much of a pass rush, but I could swear Judon was all over Mahomes in our last meeting. I also recall some semi-late hits that he put on Mahomes.

There were some cheap shots for sure. But if you are gonna do that, you better knock him out of the game. Otherwise it just fires up Mahomes to play better than he did in the first place.

[Direckshun]

I have a few ideas for how the Chiefs can win this game.

First, I'm assuming Andy Reid and Spags have played it vanilla up to this point. I suspect we'll open up the playbook, so I'm not so much worried about that.

Several ideas, though:

1. Do not put two undertackles on the field at the same time anymore. Jones and Wharton had to play together sometimes against the Chargers because the Chiefs just ran out of bodies at DT. They need to keep the rotation three players strong now that Pennel is back: Jones, Nnadi, and Pennel. I'd only put Wharton on the field when you have to, which is hopefully never. He's played well but we need tried and true run stuffers in there to protect our linebackers.

2. Give Demone Harris the 2nd most snaps at DE. I'm probably the biggest CP booster of Harris at this point but absolutely everybody underestimates what he did for us last season. Adding him, not Suggs, shored up our run defense on the edge. Harris is a tenacious run defender who doesn't provide a ton of passrush, but if you're more worried about the ground game gashing you than Lamar airing it out, then he makes a ton of sense.

3. Keep DOD at spy. We only really seem to trust DOD as a spy on Deshaun but I think the Chiefs should try him out against Jackson. Keep Jackson honest in the pocket, and if the OL part ways, DOD can hit the hole and rush him in a hurry. The strategy: keep Jackson in the pocket and dare him to outthrow Mahomes.

4. Have Sneed travel with the speedsters, smother the intermediate zones and dare Jackson to beat you deep. That does mean you're going to need a ton of dime looks and I hope they push everybody up to eliminate tight ends and RBs from raking us, which they did against the Chargers. That does mean you have to trust your corners more, and I think you just have to ask Sneed to negate any Ravens speedsters and travel pre-snap to match up against them. Fenton will need some help, though.

5. Play more two TE looks. I don't know why the Chiefs have not used Keizer at all, he looked like a really good receiver in the one practice we watched, and of course his presence allows for more muscle for any number of run plays you can design. I think getting Keizer on the field more than, say, Robinson gives you some advantages.

Thoughts?

[notorious]

Teams are pretty even. Coaching, too.

Normally I would take the better QB for the win, but the Chiefs just got done with a physical overtime game on the west coast and have to travel to the east coast.

Even if the Chiefs lose this one, they will still end their season in a better position.

Calm as a Hindu cow with or without the win.

[staylor26]

Wharton should still play on passing downs Direckshun.

I agree that you don’t want him and Jones on the field together any other time, but on obvious passing downs I love it. That’s a lot of athleticism inside.

[KChiefs1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="fr" dir="ltr">Ravens&gt;Chiefs.</p>&mdash; Skip Bayless (@RealSkipBayless) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/1308242028501712898?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Direckshun]

Ravens/Ratbirds/Shitbirds/Crows fan in piece! ��
I was having a look at the forum and wanted to throw my 2 cents in, purely for genuinely well intended chat.

This is easily our Superbowl. Be that a positive or a negative. Mahomes and Reid are living rent free in Harbaughs head. That was proven last year with the ridiculous 4th down and 2pt coaching calls.
I do think we have the advantage in terms of lineup this game though.

Defence
There seems to be a lot of chat about us being unable to generate a pass rush. We hit Watson 13 times last week, the most in his career. We don't have many 1 on 1 great pass rushers, but that's often overemphasized. And not our scheme. We play a 3-4. With Wolfe, Williams and Campbell on the line.
We then often load the LOS with LBs and DBs. Half our sacks have come from "Blitzers" but we often rush four and drop people you wouldn't expect. Judon and Bowser are two of the best coverage SAM LBs in the league. Judon dropped nearly half his snaps last week. Calais had 3 passes defensed and a tip for a pick against the Browns. The pressure scheme is manufactured brilliantly as opposed to singular great talent.
This works excellently against the younger confused. QBs, or the static ones who find it impossible to dissect. However, Mahomes seems the cryptonite to this. And he's agile enough to take a 7 step drop, see who's coming, and arm it over the top.
On the back end Marlon is a top 3 CB in the league, and will probably shadow Hill. Peter's can get some silly picks but gets burned often as a trade off. Losing Tavon in the slot is huge. We have just four healthy corners now. The top two, and Jimmy Smith who's been playing safety this year. Anthony Averett is trash. Every throw at him has been completed this year.
Our safety's are unknown but our biggest strength.
Chuck Clark is a genius. He got the green dot before he'd even started, and Eric Weddle said he was telling him things even he'd missed after all his years. The Ravens just gave him a new contract and binned off Earl Thomas for punching him in training when Chuck called Earl out for getting burned on a play and not being into his tape. Team sided with Chuck and Earls history. DeShon Elliot plays FS. Hes had a huge reputation for years but had a couple of freak injuries. He's a vicious hitter and of pretty good in coverage. Arguably a step up from Early Thomas, but that's not saying much. He didn't care and was shite last year!

Offense
The Ravens offence gets all the plaudits, but I honestly think it trails the defence.
You have to respect what Lamar's doing. He's statistically the best passer of the football by 23 years old ever. He's thrown 1 INT in his last 29 touchdowns. In 9 games. Yes his running makes his passing easier, and I'm not getting into a debate about his long term health, but he's efficient, safe with the football, and scores points.
He can make every throw (despite what Twitter says) and he would be an above average NFL passer if he couldn't run. Mahomes however, is in a different Stratosphere. Lamar can take the offence on a 13 play 9 minute drive and eat up all the clock, and score points. Mahomes can do it in 90seconds. The winner of the game in my opinion, will be who does either of these the most often.
Hollywood brown spent last year with a screw in his foot, and wasn't allowed to take contact or get to full speed just incase. This year he looks a different player, and is a stud. His rookie numbers compared ever so slightly better than those of Hill. However he was a rs 1 pick and inserted straight away as starter.
Mark Andrews is one of the best receiving TEs in the league. But can't block a dot. So if he's in it tells you were passing. So he only plays about 55-65% of snaps.
Our major problem on offence is our line. It's been poor/awful this year.

Stanley is our premier LT, he's come out of the last two games with injuries. Fluker is the back up but is too slow, and we lose all ability to run pistol and alot of the read option with him in.
Bozeman (LG) is fine
Skura (C) he was superb until he blew his knee out last year, has rushed back but looks slow and overmatched.
Phillips (RG) Rookie. College RG, 3rd round pick. Played Tackle in college and going through usual growing pains.
Zeus (RT) Big immobile unit. Looks great but gets beaten by speed too often.

The Ravens line is the teams biggest weakness. Lamar bails them out more often than not by escaping the pocket and making a play, and therefore boosts their stats. But he was under pressure for over half his snaps in week 1.

I think it'll be a close game. Ravens pass rush is better than you seem to give it credit for, we've never just rushed a front four, but always get pressure. Yet the offensive line seems to get a lot more credit than it really deserves.
Lamars Lamar. You seem to be unable to praise him without people thinking you're giving Mahomes shit and vice versa.
I think the game will be won on whether Mahomes can do in 2-3 minutes what Lamar can do in 9. People reference the Titans loss, but Lamar got over 500 yards and had two TDs dropped in the end zone The defense shit the bed that game. He's also never lost in regular season primetime. But he's never beaten Mahomes. I can't call it, but it's gonna be a great game!

(Sorry if noone cares about my long post and purple ramblings!!)

Holy shit this is excellent stuff.

[Direckshun]

Wharton should still play on passing downs Direckshun.

I agree that you don’t want him and Jones on the field together any other time, but on obvious passing downs I love it. That’s a lot of athleticism inside.

That’s fair, but I’d almost rather have the NASCAR package.

[RunKC]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For the Chiefs and Ravens, here&#39;s the entire game:<br><br>The Ravens rank 20th in pressure rate (19.5%) despite blitzing third-most (47.1%). Kansas City is third in sack rate against (2.5%).<br><br>If Baltimore blitzes a ton and doesn&#39;t get home, good night.</p>&mdash; Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattVerderame/status/1308469411997773824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[Coochie liquor]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="fr" dir="ltr">Ravens&gt;Chiefs.</p>&mdash; Skip Bayless (@RealSkipBayless) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealSkipBayless/status/1308242028501712898?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pretty much guarantees a win now. Thanks Thkip!!

[Red Dawg]

Pretty much guarantees a win now. Thanks Thkip!!

He never picks us. He picked them two meetings and picked us to lose all playoff games and the SB. He doesn't like Mahomes. Why? No reason.

[KChiefs1]

Andy has been holding back.

Not this week!

[htismaqe]

Stop the Ravens from running all over us is priority #1.

Win the toss and take the ball down and score. Make the Ravens play from behind a couple of scores.

Protect Mahomes- he took too many shots and a cheapshot last week.

Go to Kelce early and often. He was a beast last week.

Ingram had a monster game last year and they lost. Not only that, it was 30-13 at the end of the 3rd.

The key is stopping Jackson from running, which we already know they can do.

[New World Order]

WERE GOING TO KCIK THERE BUTTS!!!

[Simply Red]

sorry to interrupt you guys.

Does anyone know if Frank Clark is still suffering from nausea, heartburn, indigestion + upset stomach ......Diarrheaaaaaaa?

[staylor26]

Holy shit this is excellent stuff.

Except for the part where he refuses to give Lamar his share of the blame for the Titans playoff loss.

If you can’t see Lamar wasn’t good enough, you’re a homer. Simple as that.

[RunKC]

This was my favorite Lamar moment against us. Blew an open TD. It was hilarious watching the replay ROFL

[lcarus]

I wonder if Gay will get any playing time on defense this week. Our LBs are pretty pedestrian so I really have high hopes for him.

Has Hitchens ever made a good play as a Chiefs player? I was wondering this the other day. I can't recall one play where he made an interception, forced fumble, a pass defended, hell even a good tackle. I even joked with my buddy when they sent him out for the coin toss before overtime that he would get it wrong. And sure as the sun comes up every morning, he got it wrong lol.

[DRM08]

He never picks us. He picked them two meetings and picked us to lose all playoff games and the SB. He doesn't like Mahomes. Why? No reason.

Three reasons:

1. It’s all an act
2. Threat to Brady
3. Stole Mayfield’s spotlight

[htismaqe]

I wonder if Gay will get any playing time on defense this week. Our LBs are pretty pedestrian so I really have high hopes for him.

Has Hitchens ever made a good play as a Chiefs player? I was wondering this the other day. I can't recall one play where he made an interception, forced fumble, a pass defended, hell even a good tackle. I even joked with my buddy when they sent him out for the coin toss before overtime that he would get it wrong. And sure as the sun comes up every morning, he got it wrong lol.

He made plenty of plays down the stretch last year. Plus he calls all the defensive plays for a defense that lead the league in pretty much every statistical category the last 3rd of last season.

[comochiefsfan]

Three reasons:

1. It’s all an act
2. Threat to Brady
3. Stole Mayfield’s spotlight

It’s strictly number one.

He’s the designated “Mahomes hater” on the show and Shannon is the designated Mahomes lover.

[RunKC]

I watched Lamar vs the Texans and he really didn’t do much. Like he basically just did one read quick outs.

I think Spags will be unpacking as much of his tricks as Andy. I think he’s going to make it hard for Lamar to do those quick slants. I see a lot of blitzes with DL holding their gap integrity.

Key to stopping that offense IMO is making Lamar hold the ball and containing Mark Andrews.

[Megatron96]

It’s strictly number one.

He’s the designated “Mahomes hater” on the show and Shannon is the designated Mahomes lover.

Probably this is correct.

When they started that show, you have to remember that Sharpe had no experience with the format. He was the newbie. And I remember watching some of those early shows and Skip ALWAYS took the harder position, while Sharpe always took the popular position. That made sense, because Skip was the veteran talking head and journalist/analyst, while Sharpe was just a talkative athlete.

In the very recent past I've seen Sharpe take the tougher POV on occasion, but still on the most controversial stuff, Skip usually takes the least popular positions.

And on TV they act like they might not be friends sometimes, but I've seen clips of Sharpe, and he speaks about Skip as not only a mentor and a good partner, but as his best friend, someone he truly admires and respects. Heck, they have dinner at each other's homes on a regular basis.

And I've seen Skip absolutely praise Mahomes in behind the scenes clips. But it serves his show for him to criticize Mahomes; it draws a lot of attention. That translates into dollars.

[smithandrew051]

Probably this is correct.

When they started that show, you have to remember that Sharpe had no experience with the format. He was the newbie. And I remember watching some of those early shows and Skip ALWAYS took the harder position, while Sharpe always took the popular position. That made sense, because Skip was the veteran talking head and journalist/analyst, while Sharpe was just a talkative athlete.

In the very recent past I've seen Sharpe take the tougher POV on occasion, but still on the most controversial stuff, Skip usually takes the least popular positions.

And on TV they act like they might not be friends sometimes, but I've seen clips of Sharpe, and he speaks about Skip as not only a mentor and a good partner, but as his best friend, someone he truly admires and respects. Heck, they have dinner at each other's homes on a regular basis.

And I've seen Skip absolutely praise Mahomes in behind the scenes clips. But it serves his show for him to criticize Mahomes; it draws a lot of attention. That translates into dollars.

Absolutely. It’s a debate show, people. The entire premise of the show is that they don’t agree. That’s literally what the show is. Not sure why anyone believes anything on those shows.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Ingram had a monster game last year and they lost. Not only that, it was 30-13 at the end of the 3rd.

The key is stopping Jackson from running, which we already know they can do.

The media is making this more of a game than it’ll be IMO. The Ravens just don’t match up well with the Chiefs. It’ll take a lot of self inflicted errors for this to end in a loss for KC.

[MahiMike]

34-28 ravens. They are due. Sorry.

[smithandrew051]

34-28 ravens. They are due. Sorry.

Close, but you got the numbers jumbled and the wrong team: 84-23 chiefs.

[Halfcan]

34-28 ravens. They are due. Sorry.

Kind of like the Chargers were "due" after losing 6 straight times to the Chiefs at home. :doh!:

Donks must be really really really due!

[Chris Meck]

I think, if it were me, I'd just keep blitzing the hell out of Jackson....the guy is going to run anyways, and he is dreadful in throwing the ball when he's forced from his spot and not comfortable.

I don't think Jackson "processes" things very well when the play breaks down and he has to make quick decisions. That's likely why he runs most of the time, because he knows it's the only opportunity to pick up yards when he's not comfortable. Honestly, we all know he's plenty good enough to do that, but I think I'd just keep over-whelming them with pressure and make him beat you over the top with dudes in his face.....

Unless we are just putting up points left and right, I think it would be a mistake to sit back and let the Ravens dictate their game plan. I don't think Jackson could do anything close to what Pat just did against the Chargers: Get constantly pounded by pressure, down by 11, and lead a comeback.

just my two cents for what it's worth and probably much easier said than done of course....

This is the way as long as your d-linemen maintain their lanes. If you're going to blitz, blitz up the middle, and have the tackles and ends maintain their lanes.

[DelaWhere?]

You went from talking about run defense to pass rush.

We were talking about run defense. Campbell and Wolfe aren’t a significant upgrade in terms of run defens. Wormley, Pierce, and Williams gave them 3 run stuffers, which is why they were top 5 last year in run defense.

Their interior pass rush was upgraded, yes. That has nothing to do with the run defense being upgraded.

You are flat out wrong. All of the off season changes was because of what happened against Derrick Henry and the Titans loss. They got ran over. That’s why they went out and signed Calais and Wolfe (tried for Brockers).

[lcarus]

Chiefs are currently 3 point underdogs. I love being the underdog. Gets me so damn fired up during the game. We don't get to be underdogs too often these days.

[TribalElder]

Hopefully we beat the brakes off these dirty crows

I'm guessing we spent last week prepping for the ravens based on our chargers game performance

[htismaqe]

This is the way as long as your d-linemen maintain their lanes. If you're going to blitz, blitz up the middle, and have the tackles and ends maintain their lanes.

Yep. Spags knows how to defend them. He already did it last year.

[htismaqe]

You are flat out wrong. All of the off season changes was because of what happened against Derrick Henry and the Titans lose. They got ran over. That’s why they went out and signed Calais and Wolfe (tried for Brockers).

If you would have gotten Brockers that would have been bigger.

Wolfe is just a bit above JAG at this point. He's not that good.

[htismaqe]

Chiefs are currently 3 point underdogs. I love being the underdog. Gets me so damn fired up during the game. We don't get to be underdogs too often these days.

It's at Baltimore, that's where the 3 points is coming from.

[Megatron96]

It's at Baltimore, that's where the 3 points is coming from.

Technically in a normal season this would be correct. However, Vegas knows that there won't be any fans in BAL, so there's really no HFA. Of course, I don't know if they are taking this into account either. But Vegas is well-aware that the normal "give the home team 3 points" thing is out the window this season, in Baltimore.

[htismaqe]

There's more to it than just the crowd though. There's the lack of travel, sleeping in your own bed, stuff like that. It's just easier for the home team.

[UChieffyBugger]

Skip is a fraud!!...just look back to when Pat was drafted and hear what he had to say then...

https://youtu.be/M4Mm63ZLNxU

[ljmhawk]

There's more to it than just the crowd though. There's the lack of travel, sleeping in your own bed, stuff like that. It's just easier for the home team.

if it was their first time every in their lives playing in the road sure...ok. but these are pros who have slept in hotels and traveled their whole lives. i think people make this bigger than it really is.

[KChiefs1]

Chiefs are currently 3 point underdogs. I love being the underdog. Gets me so damn fired up during the game. We don't get to be underdogs too often these days.

I love it too! :thumb:

Hope the team loves it as much as I do! ROFL

[lcarus]

if it was their first time every in their lives playing in the road sure...ok. but these are pros who have slept in hotels and traveled their whole lives. i think people make this bigger than it really is.

Some people do make too much of it, but like htismaqe said, Vegas gives 2.5-3 to the home team just based off history.

[Megatron96]

There's more to it than just the crowd though. There's the lack of travel, sleeping in your own bed, stuff like that. It's just easier for the home team.

You think Vegas finds 3 points in a hotel bed? Against the Chiefs?

[htismaqe]

You think Vegas finds 3 points in a hotel bed? Against the Chiefs?

I haven't seen anything this year to suggest they're adjusting lines based on lack of people in the stands, have you?

This looks like your standard line for a home team.

[DRM08]

You think Vegas finds 3 points in a hotel bed? Against the Chiefs?

Maybe more like the mileage traveled over these two weeks. West coast and east coast games back to back.

[Megatron96]

I haven't seen anything this year to suggest they're adjusting lines based on lack of people in the stands, have you?

This looks like your standard line for a home team.

Yeah, I agree. It's like they just decided to leave their normal algorithm regardless of whether there are fans or not.

it actually made betting on the Chiefs this time easier. The Chiefs getting 3.5 points is like stealing.

[Simply Red]

You are flat out wrong. All of the off season changes was because of what happened against Derrick Henry and the Titans loss. They got ran over. That’s why they went out and signed Calais and Wolfe (tried for Brockers).

Wolfe ROFL

Yeah good luck - isn't he like 48 yrs. old?

[Simply Red]

Wolfe will become a little more a turd each game.

[cdcox]

As much as each game is important with only one playoff bye spot I almost feel like we are playing with house money with this one. What I mean is even if we lose this away game to a monster opponent, playoff Mahomes will run the table again like no one this league has seen. Maybe a spanking would humble them a bit and provide fuel for the rest of the season given how shaky they have started.

Good take. Super Bowls are not won or lost in September. During the playoffs, I’d rather meet the Ravens on the road while the team was peaking than playing them at home during a “meh” stretch. We’re off to a mediocre start based on play on the field. A loss now, even if it ultimately costs us the #1 seed, isn’t critical as long as we are healthy and playing to our potential come January. If we are clicking, I will be happy to take my chances against any opponent in any venue. Win or lose, this game isn’t likely to be a significant factor in the story of the 2020 Chiefs.

[htismaqe]

Good take. Super Bowls are not won or lost in September. During the playoffs, I’d rather meet the Ravens on the road while the team was peaking than playing them at home during a “meh” stretch. We’re off to a mediocre start based on play on the field. A loss now, even if it ultimately costs us the #1 seed, isn’t critical as long as we are healthy and playing to our potential come January. If we are clicking, I will be happy to take my chances against any opponent in any venue. Win or lose, this game isn’t likely to be a significant factor in the story of the 2020 Chiefs.

The worst thing that happens is the Ravens get the #1 seed and get pounded in the divisional round again. This is the only time we're going to have to play them, no matter what happens the rest of the season.

[Halfcan]

Chiefs win by 10 plus- bank on it!

[Truzzz]

Except for the part where he refuses to give Lamar his share of the blame for the Titans playoff loss.

If you can’t see Lamar wasn’t good enough, you’re a homer. Simple as that.

Lamar deserves as much of the blame as anyone for that loss. He wasn't good enough for the first three quarters and out us in a hole. My point is his still put us in a position to be competitive going into the 4th quarter, much like Mahomes did every playoff game last year.
The defence gave up a TD to a running back pass, let Henry run all over them and his WRs dropped a TD and a 4th down conversion when he hit them in their hands.

[Truzzz]

Maybe more like the mileage traveled over these two weeks. West coast and east coast games back to back.

I think the fact it's 3 points involves the kickers aswell. It's not a coincidence it's a field goal. Kickers know their stadium, the wind, the type of turf etc. Could make a difference on a key field goal.

[carcosa]

CHIEFS WILL WIN BY 69+ AND IF UOU DISAGREW YOU SHOULD BE SJOT

[Simply Red]

GO CHFESI,,,,,,,!

[carcosa]

GO CHFESI,,,,,,,!

Yes!

[Titty Meat]

You are flat out wrong. All of the off season changes was because of what happened against Derrick Henry and the Titans loss. They got ran over. That’s why they went out and signed Calais and Wolfe (tried for Brockers).

Baltimore is a shithole

[Simply Red]

Baltimore is a shithole

No it's not it's a fascinating town.

[Chieftain]

I expect CEH to have a big game. He looked great in the passing game against the Chargers. Wasn't utilized much in the run game. He is made for big games like this.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

7 nation army chanting shit birds

[Coochie liquor]

7 nation army chanting shit birds

Won’t have to hear that dumb shit Monday. I call that a win in itself.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Won’t have to hear that dumb shit Monday. I call that a win in itself.

Probably the most pathetic current thing at a sporting event. Don't the Orioles do it too ROFL Fucking original

[Why Not?]

Chiefs are currently 3 point underdogs. I love being the underdog. Gets me so damn fired up during the game. We don't get to be underdogs too often these days.

Unless something goes seriously wrong, this is probably the only game all season where we’ll be the underdog. Maybe, maybe Tampa but if so probably only as a -1 or so.

[Why Not?]

I think the fact it's 3 points involves the kickers aswell. It's not a coincidence it's a field goal. Kickers know their stadium, the wind, the type of turf etc. Could make a difference on a key field goal.

Nah. Kickers, even the best ones, aren’t worth anywhere near 3 points from a line set perspective. The 3 points is standard for a home game between two (on paper, in the media, etc) evenly matched teams. Now, this year is weird because there is no real home field advantage (I don’t think Baltimore is letting in any fans) but nothing about the Ravens play through the first two weeks would dictate a line move off of the -3. In other words, Vegas is saying “this is a pick ‘em but the game is in Baltimore so they get the standard 3 points for home field). Unless heavy money starts coming in one way or another, this should stay at about 3.

[MahomesMagic]

In Lamar's playoff losses he looked like he was trying to aim the ball and instead misfiring. His mechanics were off and his elbow was dropping.

Huge game on MNF..wonder if this creeps in again.

[ThaVirus]

Probably the most pathetic current thing at a sporting event. Don't the Orioles do it too ROFL Fucking original

Didn't we steal the chop from FSU?

[CoMoChief]

Gonna be a tough game.

Chiefs need to bring the heat on D. I fear that stopping the run will be a problem. Even with Pennel back. Hitchens is really playing like shit...time to move on from him next yr. Dude just looks slower than shit..not sure what happened there.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Didn't we steal the chop from FSU?

That's not the point. It's stupid as fuck done by all Baltimore sport teams...the chop isn't

[InChiefsHeaven]

I used to work for the Omaha Beef Indoor football team as the PA guy. I stole the first down thing from the Chiefs (That's good for an Omaha Beef...FIRST DOWN). The team owners wanted me to also do the stupid Donkey IN-COM-PLETE thing...I just refused.

Some things are cool (the chop) and some are dumb (everybody else's shit). :D

[Chris Meck]

We're not in real good shape healthwise to meet Baltimore right now. I'm a little concerned.

Danna and Wharton have played well for a 5th rounder and an UDFA, but against that big Baltimore line?

We'll get Pennel back, but is he ready to pull a ton of snaps?

I'm not feeling great about our front 7 (or 6 most of the time) matching up physically. I'd feel better if we'd seen more of Gay and he was up to speed schematically.

I'm kind of wishing we'd start D'OD and GAY, have one spy Lamar every down and the other just play man on the RB. Surely that's simple enough for them to process.

[staylor26]

We're not in real good shape healthwise to meet Baltimore right now. I'm a little concerned.

Danna and Wharton have played well for a 5th rounder and an UDFA, but against that big Baltimore line?

We'll get Pennel back, but is he ready to pull a ton of snaps?

I'm not feeling great about our front 7 (or 6 most of the time) matching up physically. I'd feel better if we'd seen more of Gay and he was up to speed schematically.

I'm kind of wishing we'd start D'OD and GAY, have one spy Lamar every down and the other just play man on the RB. Surely that's simple enough for them to process.

Pennel will be back and possibly Okafor and Ward too.

I wouldn’t expect Wharton and Danna to play as much this week.

Either way, we’re better off than we were last year when we played them.

Also, I think you’re severely overrating that Baltimore OL. They haven’t been playing that well at all.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

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[Chris Meck]

Pennel will be back and possibly Okafor and Ward too.

I wouldn’t expect Wharton and Danna to play as much this week.

Either way, we’re better off than we were last year when we played them.

Also, I think you’re severely overrating that Baltimore OL. They haven’t been playing that well at all.

Pennel is a big plus, I'm just not sure how many snaps he's gonna go. He's a big man and not likely in 'game shape'.

Ward I don't know that I'd play even if he could go; against Lamar and co., 1) with a cast on his hand he's not going to get any picks, so that gives Lamar an easy read and low risk target and 2) how well is he going to tackle with a broken hand? I mean you'd think he'd be less than great in that situation. I'd feel better about it against a more traditional QB.

as for Baltimore's line not playing well; I admit I have not watched either of their games, but they have outscored their opponents what, 71-22? That doesn't sound like they're struggling. Last year, and in recent years, they've had a big, mauling type line and those types of teams have always given us problems.

It's true, we've had their number in the Mahomes era, and I'm not saying we're fucked or anything like that, just that I have concerns.

[Funkstown]

This will be the AFC championship game right here. I live in Maryland, you can feel them chomping at the bit. They feel as if it’s their time to shine. No more mistakes on prime time. For them Lamar is better than Patrick, yet they know we live inside their heads. It’s cute. It’s going to be a brutal game. Pennel coming back for us is huge. I think we burn their asses 34-24.

[staylor26]

Pennel is a big plus, I'm just not sure how many snaps he's gonna go. He's a big man and not likely in 'game shape'.

Ward I don't know that I'd play even if he could go; against Lamar and co., 1) with a cast on his hand he's not going to get any picks, so that gives Lamar an easy read and low risk target and 2) how well is he going to tackle with a broken hand? I mean you'd think he'd be less than great in that situation. I'd feel better about it against a more traditional QB.

as for Baltimore's line not playing well; I admit I have not watched either of their games, but they have outscored their opponents what, 71-22? That doesn't sound like they're struggling. Last year, and in recent years, they've had a big, mauling type line and those types of teams have always given us problems.

It's true, we've had their number in the Mahomes era, and I'm not saying we're fucked or anything like that, just that I have concerns.

Pennel wasn’t injured, so I don’t see him being incapable of playing close to his usual snap count.

If Ward can play, cast or not, he needs to play. Fenton on the outside is not ideal, and I’d rather have Ward out there regardless.

As for the Ravens OL, I wouldn’t look at the box score to determine how well they’re playing. Even Ravens fans will tell you they mis Yanda and aren’t playing great up front.

[RunKC]

I actually would like Danna to start. He has a bigger body frame and is as athletic. Doesn’t matter though bc Taco is there as well if Okafor can’t go.

Goddamn man. CEH, Sneed, Danna and Wharton. All rookies. All ready to go from the first snap. What a job by Veach and this staff.

We’re going to keep getting better and better as the season plays out. Gay will join the lineup, Osemele will gel with the OL, Breeland back, Pennel back.

Goddamn we’re loaded AF

[staylor26]

I actually would like Danna to start. He has a bigger body frame and is as athletic. Doesn’t matter though bc Taco is there as well if Okafor can’t go.

Goddamn man. CEH, Sneed, Danna and Wharton. All rookies. All ready to go from the first snap. What a job by Veach and this staff.

We’re going to keep getting better and better as the season plays out. Gay will join the lineup, Osemele will gel with the OL, Breeland back, Pennel back.

Goddamn we’re loaded AF

Is there any doubt that Danna would be the best edge rusher on a team like the Seahawks today?

LMAO

[Mecca]

Taco played really well the other day.

[smithandrew051]

Before someone says it, this is only through 2 weeks.

Buuuuuuttttt.....

The vaunted Ravens offensive line currently ranks 31st in pass protection (10.7% adjusted sack rate, which is fucking terrible) and 17th in run blocking (4.3 adjusted line yards).

Having played the Texans also and a much better second opponent defense, the Chiefs offensive line ranks 2nd in pass protection (2.8% adjusted sack rate) and 7th in run blocking (4.7 adjusted line yards).

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Before someone says it, this is only through 2 weeks.

Buuuuuuttttt.....

The vaunted Ravens offensive line currently ranks 31st in pass protection (10.7% adjusted sack rate, which is ****ing terrible) and 17th in run blocking (4.3 adjusted line yards).

Having played the Texans also and a much better second opponent defense, the Chiefs offensive line ranks 2nd in pass protection (2.8% adjusted sack rate) and 7th in run blocking (4.7 adjusted line yards).

Their line really isn’t that special at this point from a talent POV. Ronnie Stanley is the only star of the bunch.

Orlando Brown looks good when they’re running with a lead, but I think we see his real abilities in pass pro if they’re having to throw a lot.

On the interior, it’s pretty meh.

[ModSocks]

Pennel is a big plus, I'm just not sure how many snaps he's gonna go. He's a big man and not likely in 'game shape'.

Dude has only been gone two weeks, and i sincerely doubt he was sitting on his ass this whole time eating hotpockets.

Ward I don't know that I'd play even if he could go; against Lamar and co., 1) with a cast on his hand he's not going to get any picks, so that gives Lamar an easy read and low risk target and 2) how well is he going to tackle with a broken hand? I mean you'd think he'd be less than great in that situation. I'd feel better about it against a more traditional QB.

Well, Hamilton and Fenton probably won't tackle him with two good hands, so go ahead and give me the coverage ability.

as for Baltimore's line not playing well; I admit I have not watched either of their games, but they have outscored their opponents what, 71-22? That doesn't sound like they're struggling.

They're struggling about as much as the Chiefs are struggling (psssst they're not)

Teams finding smidgets of success against them here and there does not equal struggling.

I think people are just trying to point out that they, like us, have holes that can be exposed, and there's areas there where plays can be had.

[ModSocks]

This will be the AFC championship game right here. I live in Maryland, you can feel them chomping at the bit. They feel as if it’s their time to shine. No more mistakes on prime time. For them Lamar is better than Patrick, yet they know we live inside their heads. It’s cute. It’s going to be a brutal game. Pennel coming back for us is huge. I think we burn their asses 34-24.

Well, they're catching us at the right time, TBH.

They're hot and full strength, we're hot but still figuring shit out defensively and offensively we haven't really hit our stride yet either.

They may win this, and all year the media will claim we're the #2 team in the AFC blah blah blah.

But the post season is all i give a shit about, the Ravens and Lamar are chokers until proven otherwise.

And by the time the Post Season rolls around, the defense will have figured it out and Mahomes will be slicing and dicing.

[htismaqe]

Well, they're catching us at the right time, TBH.

They're hot and full strength, we're hot but still figuring shit out defensively and offensively we haven't really hit our stride yet either.

They may win this, and all year the media will claim we're the #2 team in the AFC blah blah blah.

But the post season is all i give a shit about, the Ravens and Lamar are chokers until proven otherwise.

And by the time the Post Season rolls around, the defense will have figured it out and Mahomes will be slicing and dicing.

The situation was much the same last year and the Chiefs basically blew their doors off in the first half.

The only real difference is the venue so I expect it to be a lot tougher than last year's game.

[staylor26]

The situation was much the same last year and the Chiefs basically blew their doors off in the first half.

The only real difference is the venue so I expect it to be a lot tougher than last year's game.

Last year was actually significantly worse.

The defense was learning a new scheme, Fisher was out (which means Erving was starting), Tyreek was out, Mahomes was playing on a bum ankle, we had no running game whatsoever etc.

[ModSocks]

The situation was much the same last year and the Chiefs basically blew their doors off in the first half.

The only real difference is the venue so I expect it to be a lot tougher than last year's game.

Yeah, you're right.

Though i think the Ravens are a little further along this time this year compared to last year.

But i don't anticipate the Ravens D giving our O too hard a time, unless they junk their whole scheme and copy what SD and SF do, and even then they don't have the horses to consistently pressure Mahomes.

[smithandrew051]

Yeah, you're right.

Though i think the Ravens are a little further along this time this year compared to last year.

But i don't anticipate the Ravens D giving our O too hard a time, unless they junk their whole scheme and copy what SD and SF do, and even then they don't have the horses to consistently pressure Mahomes.

Statistically, the Ravens OL is significantly worse this year so far. They were the 3rd best run blocking line and 8th best pass protection line last year. So far this year, they’re 17th and 31st respectively. Granted, this is just though 2 games.

[Mecca]

Yeah, you're right.

Though i think the Ravens are a little further along this time this year compared to last year.

But i don't anticipate the Ravens D giving our O too hard a time, unless they junk their whole scheme and copy what SD and SF do, and even then they don't have the horses to consistently pressure Mahomes.

Unless you think they're gonna pull a bunch of elite level pass rushers out of their ass it isn't the scheme.

[smithandrew051]

The Browns hit Jackson 8 times and sacked him twice. The Browns hit Burrow 8 times and sacked him three times. Also, keep in mind that Burrow dropped back to pass 64 times and Jackson dropped back to pass 27 times.

The Texans hit Jackson 13 times and sacked him 4 times. The Texans hit Mahomes 3 times and sacked him once.

The Chiefs should absolutely be able to get pressure on Jackson. Any less than 12 QB hits and 3 sacks would be disappointing.

[BlackOp]

The defense was learning a new scheme, Fisher was out (which means Erving was starting), Tyreek was out, Mahomes was playing on a bum ankle, we had no running game whatsoever etc.

No Pennel...which against the Ravens is a huge improvement. I think Clark was playing hurt too...

Ravens fans gloss over that Hill didn't play...and Mahomes was gimpy.

Hill forces teams to change how they defend the Chiefs..

[Truzzz]

Before someone says it, this is only through 2 weeks.

Buuuuuuttttt.....

The vaunted Ravens offensive line currently ranks 31st in pass protection (10.7% adjusted sack rate, which is ****ing terrible) and 17th in run blocking (4.3 adjusted line yards).

Having played the Texans also and a much better second opponent defense, the Chiefs offensive line ranks 2nd in pass protection (2.8% adjusted sack rate) and 7th in run blocking (4.7 adjusted line yards).

Our line is Dogs**t. I said this yesterday, it's getting all the praise for Lamar making plays under pressure. Lamars saving the line 2-4 sacks minimum a game.
We've had no real push when running the ball outside of gadget plays. There's a podcast that tracks a stat called ample time and space. It's basically percentage of snaps they have a clean pocket for 3 seconds. Ravens are around 20%.

The line is crap.

[Coochie liquor]

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This is their Super Bowl, it’s fucking week 3. They’re desperate, gonna lead to heartbreak for them AGAIN!!

[New World Order]

No Pennel...which against the Ravens is a huge improvement. I think Clark was playing hurt too...

Ravens fans gloss over that Hill didn't play...and Mahomes was gimpy.

Hill forces teams to change how they defend the Chiefs..

We also didn't have Fisher. Cam fucking Erving was protecting Mahomes' blind side.

[Hydrae]

I have not read all the posts in this thread but wanted to say that I think we finally see some screens in this game. I am excited to see what CEH brings with this option!

[Megatron96]

After just watching NFL'com's GamePass Coaches film I'm feeling a little better about our defense and in particular our LBs, so I deleted my earlier post/rant about Hitchens and Wilson.

I posted a more specific analysis over in the "Hitchens" issue thread, but the bottom line is that after watching that, and putting on an extra nic patch so I could think straight, I think our run defense is going to be fine.

There's definitely some issues, and I think Pennel is going to make up some of the difference, but overall our guys aren't playing nearly as badly as I thought during the game.

The lack of preseason games is really showing among our LBs, but towards the end of even the first half of the Chargers game you can see that they were beginning to get right. I think they'll play much better on Monday.

That's not to say that we'll stuff the Ravens running game, because I don't think that's possible. But I don't think our defense won't give up 200 yards on the ground either.

On a different tack, have we heard anything about Ward's availability today?

[keg in kc]

We may actually see an actual offensive gameplan this week. Because I thought weeks 1 and 2 looked like what you'd normally see them roll out for preseason weeks 1 and 2.

[ThaVirus]

Taco played really well the other day.

I didn't notice him much while I was watching the game, but now I see that he forced the pressure that led to Herbert bailing from the pocket and throwing that game changing INT. I also noticed on the box score that he notched a sack. I don't remember that at all.

[staylor26]

I didn't notice him much while I was watching the game, but now I see that he forced the pressure that led to Herbert bailing from the pocket and throwing that game changing INT. I also noticed on the box score that he notched a sack. I don't remember that at all.

He had several pressures as well I believe.

[Megatron96]

Wharton played fairly well also in his limited snaps.

[TribalElder]

Black jerseys for their funeral

[Halfcan]

We may actually see an actual offensive gameplan this week. Because I thought weeks 1 and 2 looked like what you'd normally see them roll out for preseason weeks 1 and 2.

:clap:

[lcarus]

After just watching NFL'com's GamePass Coaches film I'm feeling a little better about our defense and in particular our LBs, so I deleted my earlier post/rant about Hitchens and Wilson.

I posted a more specific analysis over in the "Hitchens" issue thread, but the bottom line is that after watching that, and putting on an extra nic patch so I could think straight, I think our run defense is going to be fine.

There's definitely some issues, and I think Pennel is going to make up some of the difference, but overall our guys aren't playing nearly as badly as I thought during the game.

The lack of preseason games is really showing among our LBs, but towards the end of even the first half of the Chargers game you can see that they were beginning to get right. I think they'll play much better on Monday.

That's not to say that we'll stuff the Ravens running game, because I don't think that's possible. But I don't think our defense won't give up 200 yards on the ground either.

On a different tack, have we heard anything about Ward's availability today?

I've been living off the nic patch since I quit smoking. I sleep with them on sometimes and they truly do give you lucid dreams. I mean holy shit they can be pretty crazy.

[Megatron96]

I've been living off the nic patch since I quit smoking. I sleep with them on sometimes and they truly do give you lucid dreams. I mean holy shit they can be pretty crazy.

Haven't tried that yet. I usually take them off right before I take a shower and go to bed. But nicotine helps me think properly and without a cigarette it's usually a patch. Some thinking requires two or three patches. Never go over three though. Afraid I might start thinking about world domination.

[Hammock Parties]

Baltimore isn't a scary place to play with no fans.

Their D isn't even that great.

We're going to bomb them out of their own stadium.

This game will be pitch and catch for Mahomes with Tyreek and Kelce.

Lamar will scurry around and fuck up a few passes and that'll be all we need.

Chiefs 34, Ravens 24

[smithandrew051]

Ravens can’t pressure Mahomes with 4. Chiefs have a top 3 pass protection OL in adjusted sack rate.

Ravens can’t protect Jackson. Chiefs have a top 10 DL in adjusted sack rate.

That tells me all I need to know.

[Mahomes_Is_God]

Anybody else think that squaring off against that tough Chargers defence is going to give us a huge advantage over the Ravens? Those guys have played nothing but pusscakes thus far. The Texans and Browns are a joke. We're actually battle-tested. I truly believe we're gonna punch them in the mouth.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Ravens can’t pressure Mahomes with 4. Chiefs have a top 3 pass protection OL in adjusted sack rate.

Ravens can’t protect Jackson. Chiefs have a top 10 DL in adjusted sack rate.

That tells me all I need to know.

This is quality information, just have to execute early... can’t dig a hole against this kind of team.

Although it’s kinda fascinating because right now nobody is better playing ahead than Baltimore, and no one is better playing from behind than Kansas City.

[lcarus]

Haven't tried that yet. I usually take them off right before I take a shower and go to bed. But nicotine helps me think properly and without a cigarette it's usually a patch. Some thinking requires two or three patches. Never go over three though. Afraid I might start thinking about world domination.

I've never worn more than 2 and I smoked 3 packs a day. I feel like 3 would put me in a coma lol

[Hammock Parties]

Might be time for a Highlander parody.

There can be only one.

[Simply Red]

Might be time for a Highlander parody.

There can be only one.


anything Chiefs related about to drop on RTC?

[Hammock Parties]

anything Chiefs related about to drop on RTC?

maybe try following me on FB or Twitter or Youtube LMAO

[UChieffyBugger]

This is quality information, just have to execute early... can’t dig a hole against this kind of team.

Although it’s kinda fascinating because right now nobody is better playing ahead than Baltimore, and no one is better playing from behind than Kansas City.

They were ahead at arrowhead in the last two years and still lost. Imo San Fran were set up much better to defend a lead considering the d-line and run game they had. The ravens are used to bullying teams but when a team punches back they've not responded very well. If we go behind on monday our guys won't be phased...they've seen it all before. But if we go ahead though how will the ravens react? It remains to be seen. I like hearing talking heads doubt us and pick the Ravens...i want the guys to feel like the world is against them this week.

[Funkstown]

I see us rolling these fuckers 41 - 21 in their house. They’re playing without fans, and it’s going to be a bloodbath.

[Hammock Parties]

Ya'll will fucking love this. He showed it to me already.

It must live.

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[htismaqe]

They were ahead at arrowhead in the last two years and still lost. Imo San Fran were set up much better to defend a lead considering the d-line and run game they had. The ravens are used to bullying teams but when a team punches back they've not responded very well. If we go behind on monday our guys won't be phased...they've seen it all before. But if we go ahead though how will the ravens react? It remains to be seen. I like hearing talking heads doubt us and pick the Ravens...i want the guys to feel like the world is against them this week.

The Ravens were ahead for like 4 minutes last year. They had one long drive and then Pat had one of his patented 2nd quarter explosions.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Jackson is supreme athlete Tyrod Taylor/Andy Dalton. I’m not sure why the NFL has chosen to hype the fuck out of him. It’s weird. He can’t play the position unless he has a lead. I don’t get it.

[Megatron96]

Jackson is supreme athlete Tyrod Taylor/Andy Dalton. I’m not sure why the NFL has chosen to hype the **** out of him. It’s weird. He can’t play the position unless he has a lead. I don’t get it.

Seriously? Seems simple to me. The same reason a lot of people became fans of Mahomes; Lamar puts butts in seats.

Say whatever you want about the guy, he is electric on the screen. Pat blows people away with his arm talent/strength and Lamar gets people excited with his running ability.

You have to remember that the vast majority of people that watch football don't really know much about the game beyond whatever gets them excited. Like my ex-wife; she was a Bears fan, but really didn't understand the game very well, she just liked the speed and power, the energy of the fans, etc.

Just like Mahomes, Lamar draws people to watch the game that might not ordinarily be that interested. Kind of like how Tiger Woods brought more fans to golf. He was able to do that because of his incredible play, dramatic finishes, and his personal charisma. Lamar is doing the same thing.

[Red Dawg]

Ravens are really rolling. Lamar looks different in the passing game and we are not 100% well. Going to be antough one to win.

[staylor26]

Ravens are really rolling. Lamar looks different in the passing game and we are not 100% well. Going to be antough one to win.

Lol wtf? :facepalm:

How does Lamar “look different in the passing game”?

He looks exactly like he did last year.