Gretz: Fins caved when the King put his foot down - Page 5

shaneo69 · 06-10-2007, 08:18 AM

GRETZ: Finally
Jun 06, 2007, 2:49:52 PM by Bob Gretz

So finally it’s done.

The Chiefs and Dolphins agreed to terms on a deal for Trent Green on Tuesday morning, sending the team’s former starting quarterback to south Florida for a fifth-round draft choice.

That compensation will rise to a fourth-round pick if Green plays more than 70 percent of the offensive snaps for Miami. Only injury will keep that from happening, so the Chiefs will get a fourth-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft.

Green passed a physical in Miami on Wednesday and he’ll be on the field for the team’s mini-camp this weekend.

In the end, the Dolphins blinked. They had been stuck for months on their position of offering only a sixth-round choice for Green. No matter what offer the Chiefs put on the table over the last six weeks, and there were many different packages suggested, the Dolphins said no, just a sixth rounder. The Chiefs made conditional offers, straight offers, they submitted a list of veteran players on the Dolphins roster. Always the ‘Fins said no deal.

Miami could have had Green for a sixth-round choice on the first day of the NFL Draft, but they wouldn’t swap positions in the third round. That 11-spot movement along with the sixth rounder would have given the Chiefs fourth-round value, while the Dolphins could have said they gave up only a sixth. It was a win-win and they said no.

In reality, the Chiefs did everything they could to get a deal done with Miami with one exception: they were not going to give Green away. A sixth-round pick for a starting NFL quarterback is giving the guy away. That’s trading the triggerman of your offense for Jimmy Wilkerson, or Will Svitek, or Khari Long, or Tre Stallings, or Jeff Webb … all recent sixth round picks.

The Dolphins thought the Chiefs were bluffing. They learned otherwise. Ultimately it came down to this: the Chiefs told the Dolphins the deal was going to happen on Tuesday, or there would be no deal. They were prepared, as Carl Peterson had said all along, to take Green into training camp and the 2007 season. Had the deal not been consummated, discussions would have ended and the matter closed.

Green was not at Arrowhead Stadium on Tuesday, despite an on-field OTA session; he’s made all of those practices before that one. It’s a good guess that he was at home, working the phone to his agent and telling him to get the Dolphins off the sixth-round pick, because this was make or break time. Green has made it very plain that he wanted no part of the quarterback competition that Herm Edwards has set up for this season. Why he was reluctant to compete for the job is something Green hasn’t fully explained, other than to say he thought the situation was weighted in favor of Brodie Croyle.

In meeting with Chiefs brass over the weekend, Green came to understand that Arrowhead’s patience with the Dolphins and him were dramatically fading. His public campaigning to get out of town had only solidified the Chiefs stance on this deal: they were not going to give him away. It was time for the Dolphins to put up and Green to shut up.

If Green holds up physically, the Chiefs will get a fourth-round pick, which in recent years has brought players like Jared Allen and Donnie Edwards. Not every fourth rounder works out, but the odds are greatly increased that they have enough ability to make a contribution.

In the end, here’s what the Dolphins and Green learned: despite the analysis of pundits and even Green’s own agent, the Chiefs had all the leverage in this situation. They had Green, had him under contract, and were willing to carry his price tag. They were not going to give him away.

They stuck to their guns, the Dolphins blinked and now everybody gets to move on.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/06/06/gretz_finally/

Eleazar · 06-11-2007, 09:46 AM

I don't understand why anyone reads the crap on the Chiefs' official site, let alone takes time out of their lives to read it and then become pissed off at it and rant about it on a message board.

Who cares? If it pisses you off don't read it. I can't remember ever reading a column from there that wasn't posted here.

It's hilarious to me that people waste time and energy worrying about what Carl's mouthpiece is writing. Utterly hilarious.

Just do what I do, show up on Sundays during the season and watch the game.

stevieray · 06-11-2007, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Not unhappy... Actually I find it very commical that they think the fans of the Chiefs are so nieve that we would believe anything that Gretz writes...

so now you've switched to reading their minds?

Reerun_KC · 06-11-2007, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray

so now you've switched to reading their minds?

Do what?

This is like having a conversation with the nieghbors dog... Just doesnt make sense...

htismaqe · 06-11-2007, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise

I don't understand why anyone reads the crap on the Chiefs' official site, let alone takes time out of their lives to read it and then become pissed off at it and rant about it on a message board.

Who cares? If it pisses you off don't read it. I can't remember ever reading a column from there that wasn't posted here.

It's hilarious to me that people waste time and energy worrying about what Carl's mouthpiece is writing. Utterly hilarious.

Just do what I do, show up on Sundays during the season and watch the game.

Exactly.

In fact, I think the last time I actually visited KCChiefs.com was last spring after the draft to see some video on Hali.

stevieray · 06-11-2007, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Do what?

This is like having a conversation with the nieghbors dog... Just doesnt make sense...

Did you or did you not just proclaim to know what they think about Chiefs fans?

not unhappy? I suggest revisiting your posts since Herm arrived.

Reerun_KC · 06-11-2007, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray

Did you or did you not just proclaim to know what they think about Chiefs fans?

not unhappy? I suggest revisiting your posts since Herm arrived.

How does calling an article a huge Gretz swallow job of Carl proclaim vast knowledge of how they feel about your money?

Second? Unhappy? Have you been posting or lurking much Stevie?

Wile_E_Coyote · 06-11-2007, 11:53 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2898323

ATLANTA -- Reacting to the ongoing investigation of Michael Vick, and to the perceived fatigue that has set in on fans here as the almost daily news updates surrounding the team's star player continue, Atlanta Falcons officials on Friday dispatched a letter to season-ticket patrons asking for patience, prudence and understanding.

Vick
In addition, Vick announced on a Web site that he is canceling his annual football camp, scheduled for June 30-July 3, because of "scheduling issues."

The letter, signed by Falcons' owner Arthur Blank and team president/general manager Rich McKay, stressed that fans should permit the investigation to play out and not jump to any conclusions. It is essentially in line with a message Falcons management has publicly urged since the investigation, which is focusing on potential dogfighting on property that Vick owns in Virginia, but on which he does not reside, began in late April.

In part, the letter reads:

"Any time a player in our league -- and especially a Falcons player -- shows up in a negative light for any act, it is disappointing to us. While unsubstantiated to date, the current public situation concerning Michael Vick puts us in a particularly difficult spot because of the daily attention it is receiving in the media, and our inability to respond because we don't yet have all the facts with which to deal.

"We hope you understand it would be inappropriate and premature to make any definitive statements or take any action until we know the facts. Therefore, we are awaiting the outcome of the investigation just as you are. For the benefit of our fans, the Falcons and Michael, we hope there will be a quick and clear resolution to this matter so that we all can move forward.

"In the meantime, we want you to realize there are many examples of our organization impacting our community in a very positive manner."

The letter then delineates the many charitable functions in which Atlanta players participate, and points out that the Atlanta Falcons Youth Foundation has to date provided more than $10 million in grants to Georgia-based nonprofit organizations.

"Over the past five years," the letter finishes, "we have worked hard to build a winning team and a respected franchise for our fans and the Atlanta community. You have responded in a positive manner, and we thank you for your support and loyalty. We respectfully ask for your understanding as we work through our current situation."

Vick's annual camp, which he has held for the past several years, was to have taken place at the Christopher Newport University in Newport News, Va. On the Web site, which was shut down late in the afternoon, the cancellation of the camp was announced, with a statement that deposits and refunds would be processed immediately.

"To all campers, Michael Vick and his staff apologize for any inconvenience," the short announcement said.

Calls to Vick's private attorney, Larry Woodward, were not returned.

Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.

06-10-2007, 08:18 AM
shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	Gretz: Fins caved when the King put his foot down GRETZ: Finally Jun 06, 2007, 2:49:52 PM by Bob Gretz So finally it’s done. The Chiefs and Dolphins agreed to terms on a deal for Trent Green on Tuesday morning, sending the team’s former starting quarterback to south Florida for a fifth-round draft choice. That compensation will rise to a fourth-round pick if Green plays more than 70 percent of the offensive snaps for Miami. Only injury will keep that from happening, so the Chiefs will get a fourth-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft. Green passed a physical in Miami on Wednesday and he’ll be on the field for the team’s mini-camp this weekend. In the end, the Dolphins blinked. They had been stuck for months on their position of offering only a sixth-round choice for Green. No matter what offer the Chiefs put on the table over the last six weeks, and there were many different packages suggested, the Dolphins said no, just a sixth rounder. The Chiefs made conditional offers, straight offers, they submitted a list of veteran players on the Dolphins roster. Always the ‘Fins said no deal. Miami could have had Green for a sixth-round choice on the first day of the NFL Draft, but they wouldn’t swap positions in the third round. That 11-spot movement along with the sixth rounder would have given the Chiefs fourth-round value, while the Dolphins could have said they gave up only a sixth. It was a win-win and they said no. In reality, the Chiefs did everything they could to get a deal done with Miami with one exception: they were not going to give Green away. A sixth-round pick for a starting NFL quarterback is giving the guy away. That’s trading the triggerman of your offense for Jimmy Wilkerson, or Will Svitek, or Khari Long, or Tre Stallings, or Jeff Webb … all recent sixth round picks. The Dolphins thought the Chiefs were bluffing. They learned otherwise. Ultimately it came down to this: the Chiefs told the Dolphins the deal was going to happen on Tuesday, or there would be no deal. They were prepared, as Carl Peterson had said all along, to take Green into training camp and the 2007 season. Had the deal not been consummated, discussions would have ended and the matter closed. Green was not at Arrowhead Stadium on Tuesday, despite an on-field OTA session; he’s made all of those practices before that one. It’s a good guess that he was at home, working the phone to his agent and telling him to get the Dolphins off the sixth-round pick, because this was make or break time. Green has made it very plain that he wanted no part of the quarterback competition that Herm Edwards has set up for this season. Why he was reluctant to compete for the job is something Green hasn’t fully explained, other than to say he thought the situation was weighted in favor of Brodie Croyle. In meeting with Chiefs brass over the weekend, Green came to understand that Arrowhead’s patience with the Dolphins and him were dramatically fading. His public campaigning to get out of town had only solidified the Chiefs stance on this deal: they were not going to give him away. It was time for the Dolphins to put up and Green to shut up. If Green holds up physically, the Chiefs will get a fourth-round pick, which in recent years has brought players like Jared Allen and Donnie Edwards. Not every fourth rounder works out, but the odds are greatly increased that they have enough ability to make a contribution. In the end, here’s what the Dolphins and Green learned: despite the analysis of pundits and even Green’s own agent, the Chiefs had all the leverage in this situation. They had Green, had him under contract, and were willing to carry his price tag. They were not going to give him away. They stuck to their guns, the Dolphins blinked and now everybody gets to move on. http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/06/06/gretz_finally/
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Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	I don't understand why anyone reads the crap on the Chiefs' official site, let alone takes time out of their lives to read it and then become pissed off at it and rant about it on a message board. Who cares? If it pisses you off don't read it. I can't remember ever reading a column from there that wasn't posted here. It's hilarious to me that people waste time and energy worrying about what Carl's mouthpiece is writing. Utterly hilarious. Just do what I do, show up on Sundays during the season and watch the game.
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06-11-2007, 11:53 AM	#67
Wile_E_Coyote avatar down for remodel Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	Pastabelly http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2898323 ATLANTA -- Reacting to the ongoing investigation of Michael Vick, and to the perceived fatigue that has set in on fans here as the almost daily news updates surrounding the team's star player continue, Atlanta Falcons officials on Friday dispatched a letter to season-ticket patrons asking for patience, prudence and understanding. Vick In addition, Vick announced on a Web site that he is canceling his annual football camp, scheduled for June 30-July 3, because of "scheduling issues." The letter, signed by Falcons' owner Arthur Blank and team president/general manager Rich McKay, stressed that fans should permit the investigation to play out and not jump to any conclusions. It is essentially in line with a message Falcons management has publicly urged since the investigation, which is focusing on potential dogfighting on property that Vick owns in Virginia, but on which he does not reside, began in late April. In part, the letter reads: "Any time a player in our league -- and especially a Falcons player -- shows up in a negative light for any act, it is disappointing to us. While unsubstantiated to date, the current public situation concerning Michael Vick puts us in a particularly difficult spot because of the daily attention it is receiving in the media, and our inability to respond because we don't yet have all the facts with which to deal. "We hope you understand it would be inappropriate and premature to make any definitive statements or take any action until we know the facts. Therefore, we are awaiting the outcome of the investigation just as you are. For the benefit of our fans, the Falcons and Michael, we hope there will be a quick and clear resolution to this matter so that we all can move forward. "In the meantime, we want you to realize there are many examples of our organization impacting our community in a very positive manner." The letter then delineates the many charitable functions in which Atlanta players participate, and points out that the Atlanta Falcons Youth Foundation has to date provided more than $10 million in grants to Georgia-based nonprofit organizations. "Over the past five years," the letter finishes, "we have worked hard to build a winning team and a respected franchise for our fans and the Atlanta community. You have responded in a positive manner, and we thank you for your support and loyalty. We respectfully ask for your understanding as we work through our current situation." Vick's annual camp, which he has held for the past several years, was to have taken place at the Christopher Newport University in Newport News, Va. On the Web site, which was shut down late in the afternoon, the cancellation of the camp was announced, with a statement that deposits and refunds would be processed immediately. "To all campers, Michael Vick and his staff apologize for any inconvenience," the short announcement said. Calls to Vick's private attorney, Larry Woodward, were not returned. Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.
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