Gretz: Fins caved when the King put his foot down

shaneo69 · 06-10-2007, 08:18 AM

GRETZ: Finally
Jun 06, 2007, 2:49:52 PM by Bob Gretz

So finally it’s done.

The Chiefs and Dolphins agreed to terms on a deal for Trent Green on Tuesday morning, sending the team’s former starting quarterback to south Florida for a fifth-round draft choice.

That compensation will rise to a fourth-round pick if Green plays more than 70 percent of the offensive snaps for Miami. Only injury will keep that from happening, so the Chiefs will get a fourth-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft.

Green passed a physical in Miami on Wednesday and he’ll be on the field for the team’s mini-camp this weekend.

In the end, the Dolphins blinked. They had been stuck for months on their position of offering only a sixth-round choice for Green. No matter what offer the Chiefs put on the table over the last six weeks, and there were many different packages suggested, the Dolphins said no, just a sixth rounder. The Chiefs made conditional offers, straight offers, they submitted a list of veteran players on the Dolphins roster. Always the ‘Fins said no deal.

Miami could have had Green for a sixth-round choice on the first day of the NFL Draft, but they wouldn’t swap positions in the third round. That 11-spot movement along with the sixth rounder would have given the Chiefs fourth-round value, while the Dolphins could have said they gave up only a sixth. It was a win-win and they said no.

In reality, the Chiefs did everything they could to get a deal done with Miami with one exception: they were not going to give Green away. A sixth-round pick for a starting NFL quarterback is giving the guy away. That’s trading the triggerman of your offense for Jimmy Wilkerson, or Will Svitek, or Khari Long, or Tre Stallings, or Jeff Webb … all recent sixth round picks.

The Dolphins thought the Chiefs were bluffing. They learned otherwise. Ultimately it came down to this: the Chiefs told the Dolphins the deal was going to happen on Tuesday, or there would be no deal. They were prepared, as Carl Peterson had said all along, to take Green into training camp and the 2007 season. Had the deal not been consummated, discussions would have ended and the matter closed.

Green was not at Arrowhead Stadium on Tuesday, despite an on-field OTA session; he’s made all of those practices before that one. It’s a good guess that he was at home, working the phone to his agent and telling him to get the Dolphins off the sixth-round pick, because this was make or break time. Green has made it very plain that he wanted no part of the quarterback competition that Herm Edwards has set up for this season. Why he was reluctant to compete for the job is something Green hasn’t fully explained, other than to say he thought the situation was weighted in favor of Brodie Croyle.

In meeting with Chiefs brass over the weekend, Green came to understand that Arrowhead’s patience with the Dolphins and him were dramatically fading. His public campaigning to get out of town had only solidified the Chiefs stance on this deal: they were not going to give him away. It was time for the Dolphins to put up and Green to shut up.

If Green holds up physically, the Chiefs will get a fourth-round pick, which in recent years has brought players like Jared Allen and Donnie Edwards. Not every fourth rounder works out, but the odds are greatly increased that they have enough ability to make a contribution.

In the end, here’s what the Dolphins and Green learned: despite the analysis of pundits and even Green’s own agent, the Chiefs had all the leverage in this situation. They had Green, had him under contract, and were willing to carry his price tag. They were not going to give him away.

They stuck to their guns, the Dolphins blinked and now everybody gets to move on.

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/06/06/gretz_finally/

Hammock Parties · 06-10-2007, 08:19 AM

Haha. The King called their bluff. PWNED.

shaneo69 · 06-10-2007, 08:20 AM

The tone of this article pretty much explains why I have no respect whatsoever for Peterson/Gretz.

shaneo69 · 06-10-2007, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gretz

Miami could have had Green for a sixth-round choice on the first day of the NFL Draft, but they wouldn’t swap positions in the third round. That 11-spot movement along with the sixth rounder would have given the Chiefs fourth-round value, while the Dolphins could have said they gave up only a sixth. It was a win-win and they said no.

I've seen Gretz mention this several times now. Can someone please explain who the Dolphins would be addressing when saying that they gave up only a 6th rounder in this scenario? Their fans?

Sorry Gretz. When you swap 3rd round picks AND give up a 6th round pick, fans aren't stupid enough to believe that you only gave up a 6th.

shaneo69 · 06-10-2007, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gretz

That compensation will rise to a fourth-round pick if Green plays more than 70 percent of the offensive snaps for Miami. Only injury will keep that from happening, so the Chiefs will get a fourth-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft.

I like how Gretz is so sure of himself here.

This would be true if he still played for the Chiefs. No matter how crappy he played, and how crappy the season was going, the Chiefs would stick with him until a) he got injured, or b) the season ended.

However, I'm willing to bet that when the Dolphins start out 1-6 and Green is having a crappy year, Cameron will hear the screaming of the fan base and switch to Beck.

milkman · 06-10-2007, 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaneo69

Sorry Gretz. When you swap 3rd round picks AND give up a 6th round pick, fans aren't stupid enough to believe that you only gave up a 6th.

You know, I would bet that about 70% of the average fans would believe it.

Not because they are stupid, but because they are uninformed.

Mr. Laz · 06-10-2007, 08:37 AM

congrats to carl ....... it turned out better than it could of.

but he also created much of this mess himself.

personally i would of held on to Trent longer ....... i still think someone will get hurt.

blueballs · 06-10-2007, 08:38 AM

a article on the mess in Miami
comparing how Green was treated
and Culpepper is being treated
would carry more weight

**The Bad Guy** · 06-10-2007, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaneo69

The tone of this article pretty much explains why I have no respect whatsoever for Peterson/Gretz.

Exactly.

They are making it seem they won some huge standoff.

I'll bet a lot of money that if the Dolphins suck come November, Beck will get the snaps and that 70% tag won't happen - meaning the Dolphins then win.

It's nice that teams like the Patriots and Colts beat their chests over winning Super Bowls.

This organization thinks it won the SB by getting a 4th rounder.

Spott · 06-10-2007, 09:08 AM

The only question I have about this article is whether or not Gretz wrote this while he was under CP's desk or if he waited until afterwards.

mikey23545 · 06-10-2007, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaneo69

The tone of this article pretty much explains why I have no respect whatsoever for Peterson/Gretz.

Just burns your ass Carl pulled this off, doesn't it?....

PunkinDrublic · 06-10-2007, 09:18 AM

I think Carl was also able to use Atlanta for leverage as well. If Atlanta comes in and makes a better offer for Green and we take it Miami is left high and dry and wasted all that time negotiating for Green only to get nothing.

**Buehler445** · 06-10-2007, 09:30 AM

I am 9 kinds of happy that the trade got done. I also have to congratulate Peterson for getting it done and for more than a 6th. However, it seems like CP wrote the article, and Gretz published it to his name. This sounded like a CP Press conference.

**Tribal Warfare** · 06-10-2007, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445

it seems like CP wrote the article, and Gretz published it to his name. This sounded like a CP Press conference.

When is this not the case?

**Buehler445** · 06-10-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

When is this not the case?

Point taken.

06-10-2007, 08:18 AM
shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	Gretz: Fins caved when the King put his foot down GRETZ: Finally Jun 06, 2007, 2:49:52 PM by Bob Gretz So finally it’s done. The Chiefs and Dolphins agreed to terms on a deal for Trent Green on Tuesday morning, sending the team’s former starting quarterback to south Florida for a fifth-round draft choice. That compensation will rise to a fourth-round pick if Green plays more than 70 percent of the offensive snaps for Miami. Only injury will keep that from happening, so the Chiefs will get a fourth-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft. Green passed a physical in Miami on Wednesday and he’ll be on the field for the team’s mini-camp this weekend. In the end, the Dolphins blinked. They had been stuck for months on their position of offering only a sixth-round choice for Green. No matter what offer the Chiefs put on the table over the last six weeks, and there were many different packages suggested, the Dolphins said no, just a sixth rounder. The Chiefs made conditional offers, straight offers, they submitted a list of veteran players on the Dolphins roster. Always the ‘Fins said no deal. Miami could have had Green for a sixth-round choice on the first day of the NFL Draft, but they wouldn’t swap positions in the third round. That 11-spot movement along with the sixth rounder would have given the Chiefs fourth-round value, while the Dolphins could have said they gave up only a sixth. It was a win-win and they said no. In reality, the Chiefs did everything they could to get a deal done with Miami with one exception: they were not going to give Green away. A sixth-round pick for a starting NFL quarterback is giving the guy away. That’s trading the triggerman of your offense for Jimmy Wilkerson, or Will Svitek, or Khari Long, or Tre Stallings, or Jeff Webb … all recent sixth round picks. The Dolphins thought the Chiefs were bluffing. They learned otherwise. Ultimately it came down to this: the Chiefs told the Dolphins the deal was going to happen on Tuesday, or there would be no deal. They were prepared, as Carl Peterson had said all along, to take Green into training camp and the 2007 season. Had the deal not been consummated, discussions would have ended and the matter closed. Green was not at Arrowhead Stadium on Tuesday, despite an on-field OTA session; he’s made all of those practices before that one. It’s a good guess that he was at home, working the phone to his agent and telling him to get the Dolphins off the sixth-round pick, because this was make or break time. Green has made it very plain that he wanted no part of the quarterback competition that Herm Edwards has set up for this season. Why he was reluctant to compete for the job is something Green hasn’t fully explained, other than to say he thought the situation was weighted in favor of Brodie Croyle. In meeting with Chiefs brass over the weekend, Green came to understand that Arrowhead’s patience with the Dolphins and him were dramatically fading. His public campaigning to get out of town had only solidified the Chiefs stance on this deal: they were not going to give him away. It was time for the Dolphins to put up and Green to shut up. If Green holds up physically, the Chiefs will get a fourth-round pick, which in recent years has brought players like Jared Allen and Donnie Edwards. Not every fourth rounder works out, but the odds are greatly increased that they have enough ability to make a contribution. In the end, here’s what the Dolphins and Green learned: despite the analysis of pundits and even Green’s own agent, the Chiefs had all the leverage in this situation. They had Green, had him under contract, and were willing to carry his price tag. They were not going to give him away. They stuck to their guns, the Dolphins blinked and now everybody gets to move on. http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/06/06/gretz_finally/
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06-10-2007, 08:19 AM	#2
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4440478	Haha. The King called their bluff. PWNED. __________________ Chiefs game films
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06-10-2007, 08:20 AM	#3
shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	The tone of this article pretty much explains why I have no respect whatsoever for Peterson/Gretz. __________________ "I like Chiefs president Carl Peterson. I respect his business savvy. I envy his management skills and his penchant never to be driven by the whims of popularity. I admire his willingness to take responsibility for decisions that don’t work out the way he would have wanted." - Rufus, from KCChiefs.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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06-10-2007, 08:37 AM	#7
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	congrats to carl ....... it turned out better than it could of. but he also created much of this mess himself. personally i would of held on to Trent longer ....... i still think someone will get hurt. __________________
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06-10-2007, 08:38 AM	#8
blueballs Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $10004900	a article on the mess in Miami comparing how Green was treated and Culpepper is being treated would carry more weight
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06-10-2007, 09:08 AM	#10
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06-10-2007, 09:18 AM	#12
PunkinDrublic Stay down bitch! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Plano, TX Casino cash: $6320670	I think Carl was also able to use Atlanta for leverage as well. If Atlanta comes in and makes a better offer for Green and we take it Miami is left high and dry and wasted all that time negotiating for Green only to get nothing. __________________ Disappointing my parents since 1976
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06-10-2007, 09:30 AM	#13
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $2044734	I am 9 kinds of happy that the trade got done. I also have to congratulate Peterson for getting it done and for more than a 6th. However, it seems like CP wrote the article, and Gretz published it to his name. This sounded like a CP Press conference.
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