Let's put all the QB talk right here

[Mecca]

Seeing how all the draft threads turn into QB talk lets use this thread as the QB draft thread....I'll start by putting up some videos.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Point 1: This board has shown a consistent history of Big XII bias. It's not a non-sequitur, it's an ability to rationalize that people have a fondness for prospects who they are closer to/see more.

As I've pointed out to you already, I haven't lived in Big 12 country for years, I'm not a Kansas State fan, and I have no affiliation at all to Josh Freeman. If anything, I would be naturally inclined to slob all over Stafford like you since I see every single Georgia game here. The fact that you can't get over this is mind-boggling.

The Snead comp you throw up is ridiculous, but I guess since they're both black it makes sense to you. Freeman is bigger, has a better arm, and has played in a pro-style offense since the start of his freshman year. Meanwhile, Snead played sparingly at Texas behind Colt McCoy, sat out all of last season, and is now playing in Houston Nutt's college offense at Ole Miss. Yeah, perfect comps!

Point 2: Stafford's receivers are shite. They can't get separation and he is routinely playing against elite college level talent. But here's the difference--he's shown an ability to read a defense, go through his progressions, check off and audible at the line of scrimmage, and distribute the ball to the correct man in the right spot.

Show me a wideout at KSU that is better than Massaquoi or AJ Green. I'll save you some time - you won't find them. Also, Stafford has Knowshon in the backfield and a defense that keeps the team in games so Stafford doesn't have to go batshit crazy to try and win games. Stafford has shown an ability to read a defense and make accurate decisions, but so has Freeman. Try watching more KSU games when they are on tv.

Freeman is neither as accurate nor as strong armed of a thrower as Stafford, and although Stafford has made some poor decisions, Freeman is not nearly as advanced when it comes to making good choices with the football. Freeman played like absolute crap against the likes of Colorado and Louisville. Stafford played like crap against Alabama, but was literally the only thing that team had going for them that entire night.

The fact that you believe that Stafford is so much more accurate than Freeman is laughable and shows me you've seen too many highlight films instead of actual Georgia games. He has the big arm and the size, but he's still extremely inconsistent. Of course, so is Freeman. That's expected, they're both juniors. However, the point is projecting what they will be like in a year, five years, and ten years down the line. Both players have excellent tools: Stafford has a bazooka for an arm, but Freeman's arm isn't far behind. Freeman is bigger, but Stafford isn't small. Both guys are athletic, but I'd bet decent money that Freeman outshines him at the combine.

The fact of the matter is that Freeman is a horribly inconsistent player, and he needs another year of actually playing the position to work out those kinds.

That's one argument. Another argument would be that he won't gain a fucking thing staying at KSU and getting his ass kicked for another year. There is no talent around him, and that won't change next year. If I were him, I'd go pro now and start working with pro QB coaches to take my game to the next level.

And trading down from a top five pick? Absolutely ****ing reeruned unless someone offers you a Herschel Walker level of compensation.

Depends on who's available. Depends on if we even have a top five pick. Depends on how Freeman and others finish the season and perform in the combine. There are hundreds of factors at play that makes it a waste of time to go that deep into it.

The point remains that Freeman is a legit pro prospect that has been on the NFL's radar screen for awhile, and there are many reason for that. He has pro size, a pro arm, has started in a pro system since his freshman year, and has not had the benefit of hiding behind other star players.

I could honestly care fucking less what you think about him, and will continue to bring him up because any respectable draft thread centered on QBOTFs should have him in the discussion. A player with his combination of tools does not come around often.

[mylittlepony]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Have you watched a single Georgia game this year?

If you took away Stafford's arm and gave him an average one, you still have a QB who is 6'3", 240, who runs a 4.7, and has played in a pro-style offense with almost no weapons on the outside and has started since he was a true freshman in the SEC.

He'd still be a first round pick. He's the best quarterback prospect in the last 3 years.

I've watched two. Bama and LSU.

I wouldnt call him a spectacularly athletic quarterback by any standards. He has played in a pro style offence and has experience I'll give him that, he knows how to read defences those are his main skills apart from his arm. But he has also got consistency issues. He misses open throws and makes highlight real ones. I dont understand where you are coming from saying he doesnt have weapons (I can understand the argument that compared to someone like Bradford he doesnt but to say flat out has nobody to throw to isnt fair to Green). Sure Green isnt experienced but he has stepped up in both games I've seen and played very well. Opponents also have to account for a heisman candidate running back.

On the plus side he's got a strong arm, experience and a good understanding of the game. On the minus he is inconsistant, he makes questionable plays and he hasnt really been called upon to win a game (he is more of a game manager like Ben is in PIT relying on his running game then a gamewinnner like Carson in CIN, Drew in NO).

I dont think anyone would argue Bradford and McCoy are better college QBs but what Stafford has that NFL upside. And that has mainly to do with his arm.

Can he be the QBOTF (hell yes), is he the top prospect at QB (in my mind yes), is he overrated because of his arm (sure is).

my 2cent

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Show me a wideout at KSU that is better than Massaquoi or AJ Green. I'll save you some time - you won't find them. Also, Stafford has Knowshon in the backfield and a defense that keeps the team in games so Stafford doesn't have to go batshit crazy to try and win games. Stafford has shown an ability to read a defense and make accurate decisions, but so has Freeman. Try watching more KSU games when they are on tv.



The fact that you believe that Stafford is so much more accurate than Freeman is laughable and shows me you've seen too many highlight films instead of actual Georgia games. He has the big arm and the size, but he's still extremely inconsistent. Of course, so is Freeman. That's expected, they're both juniors. However, the point is projecting what they will be like in a year, five years, and ten years down the line. Both players have excellent tools: Stafford has a bazooka for an arm, but Freeman's arm isn't far behind. Freeman is bigger, but Stafford isn't small. Both guys are athletic, but I'd bet decent money that Freeman outshines him at the combine.



That's one argument. Another argument would be that he won't gain a fucking thing staying at KSU and getting his ass kicked for another year. There is no talent around him, and that won't change next year. If I were him, I'd go pro now and start working with pro QB coaches to take my game to the next level.



Depends on who's available. Depends on if we even have a top five pick. Depends on how Freeman and others finish the season and perform in the combine. There are hundreds of factors at play that makes it a waste of time to go that deep into it.

The point remains that Freeman is a legit pro prospect that has been on the NFL's radar screen for awhile, and there are many reason for that. He has pro size, a pro arm, has started in a pro system since his freshman year, and has not had the benefit of hiding behind other star players.

I could honestly care fucking less what you think about him, and will continue to bring him up because any respectable draft thread centered on QBOTFs should have him in the discussion. A player with his combination of tools does not come around often.

Did, or did he not have Jordy Nelson to throw to for two years? How may this help his development? Why was he throwing for 50% against Colorado, Tech, and Louisville?

Arguments for Stafford:

Experience in a better conference
He has the highest football IQ of any pro-ready prospect
He has the best arm in the draft
He has more than adequate size, he has run a legitimate 4.7 40.
He consistently audibles out of plays at the line of scrimmage

When it comes to this draft, there is Matt Stafford, and there is everyone else.

Freeman is a huge project. I cannot stress this enough. He has good measureables, but so does Chase Holbrook.

I would not spend anything above pick 25-30 on this guy, this year.

Freeman would not be able to meaningfully contribute to an NFL team until 2011-2012. Stafford could come in and start in the latter half of his rookie year, and give you Carson Palmer type trajectory (pre-knee).


Funny, side note. I'm over here perusing through NFLDC forums to see what the room temp is on Freeman, and who do I see but you over there, bumping a three and a half week old thread to pimp him.



http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/...t=25303&page=4

Get off his dick.