Let's put all the QB talk right here

[Mecca]

Seeing how all the draft threads turn into QB talk lets use this thread as the QB draft thread....I'll start by putting up some videos.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

LT: Oher
LG: Waters
C: Niswanger
RG: Albert
RT: Taylor

???

Ooooh,.... Add a quality center to that bunch and we could have the best O-line again in the NFL in a couple of years.

[Mecca]

Colt McCoy and Matt Ryan are nothing alike.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by mylittlepony

Stafford is a highlight real QB. And nobody is denying that. But is he just a big arm? Sure he can make spectacular throws but does he have consistency?

If he had the arm of Colt McCoy where would he be? This league has a hardon for big arms. If you take away Staffords arm would he even get drafted?

Have you watched a single Georgia game this year?

If you took away Stafford's arm and gave him an average one, you still have a QB who is 6'3", 240, who runs a 4.7, and has played in a pro-style offense with almost no weapons on the outside and has started since he was a true freshman in the SEC.

He'd still be a first round pick. He's the best quarterback prospect in the last 3 years.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

He's got Matt Ryan-esq leadership qualities. He can take a hit. Good pocket presence. Pretty good decision making. Accurate on short to medium passses. He's got the intangibles. Sure he's a bit undersized and doesn't have the arm that Stafford, but he's a competitive kid with a good head on his shoulders.

He's also played in a Spread offense, comes from a program with a horrible history of coaching up their players. He's also been injured 3 times as a starter, and he has a Brodie Croyle like build.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Every guy is going to be a major project - name me a non-redshirt junior QB that came out that wasn't a major project.

The Jevan Snead comp Hamas keeps using for Freeman is just as silly as Kyle Boller comps for Stafford by anti-Stafford people.

Everyone has their biases for these guys, but let's focus on what we do know. On Freeman, we know he's huge, has a big arm, is very athletic, has played in a legit pro system, and has improved his numbers every year despite having an extreme lack of talent around him. No, his decision-making is not perfect yet, but if it was he would be the no-brainer pick at #1 due to his physical tools. Stafford's decision-making is hardly pristine, so I think it's a bit ridiculous to keep harping on Freeman.

Bottom line, I'll take Stafford if we have the chance. But if he's gone, I am definitely intrigued by the idea of taking Freeman with a mid-1st round pick, assuming we can trade down or maybe trade back into the 1st.

If Freeman had thrown for 478 yards against Baylor, are we having this discussion?

I don't think that people understand how overrated OU's defense is without Reynolds. They got torched by Kansas FFS.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Colt McCoy and Matt Ryan are nothing alike.

Intangible wise they are.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Intangible wise they are.

...they are called "intangibles" for a reason

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

...they are called "intangibles" for a reason

He's a good leader that finds ways to win and the players rally around him. He's also a non-issue since he's returning to school.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Frankie

Ooooh,.... Add a quality center to that bunch and we could have the best O-line again in the NFL in a couple of years.

We'd probably still need to draft a LG to take over for Waters.

There's also a 50/50 chance Richardson would work out at RG and Taylor would work out at RT. I'm guessing only one of them would pan out at those positions, but that's why you give it a shot.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If Freeman had thrown for 478 yards against Baylor, are we having this discussion?

I don't think that people understand how overrated OU's defense is without Reynolds. They got torched by Kansas FFS.

Of course we are. He's been on the national radar all season. I don't live anywhere close to KC, so don't use the Big 12 bias argument on me. We're not talking about Chase Daniel or Todd Reesing, we're talking about a guy with legit pro size and tools.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Of course we are. He's been on the national radar all season. I don't live anywhere close to KC, so don't use the Big 12 bias argument on me. We're not talking about Chase Daniel or Todd Reesing, we're talking about a guy with legit pro size and tools.

I'm sorry, I don't want to spend a top three pick on Jason Campbell. It's horrible value.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I'm sorry, I don't want to spend a top three pick on Jason Campbell. It's horrible value.

Yes, because I'm pounding the drum of drafting him with a top three pick......

Are you incapable of taking the middle ground on an issue, or even a wait and see viewpoint?

You change your argument on Freeman with each post. The bottom line is that Freeman has all the tools to be a great pro pick, and his overall tools are right there with Stafford. We're barely halfway through the year - let's let it play out.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Yes, because I'm pounding the drum of drafting him with a top three pick......

Are you incapable of taking the middle ground on an issue, or even a wait and see viewpoint?

You change your argument on Freeman with each post. The bottom line is that Freeman has all the tools to be a great pro pick, and his overall tools are right there with Stafford. We're barely halfway through the year - let's let it play out.

No, I don't. I've taken a pretty clear stance.

1) If you switched him with Jevan Snead no one gives two shits about him
2) He makes poor decisions with the football
3) He plays against a much lower level of competition than Stafford.

North Texas, Louisville, LA-Lafayette, Tech, OU, Colorado, aTm, Montana State.

That obviously compares to LSU, Alabama, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Arizona State, Tennessee, Georgia Southern, and Central Michigan.

4) I'm really not in favor of us trading future picks in order to move back up to take someone when we are trying to rebuild an entire football team.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, I don't. I've taken a pretty clear stance.

1) If you switched him with Jevan Snead no one gives two shits about him

You keep saying this, and it makes absolutely no sense. Keep throwing out non sequitors though, it really makes you sound like you know what you're talking about.

2) He makes poor decisions with the football

He's just a junior, he's not perfect, and so does Stafford.

3) He plays against a much lower level of competition than Stafford.

Sure. And his surrounding talent is much worse than what Stafford has, and I've pointed this out to you numerous times.

North Texas, Louisville, LA-Lafayette, Tech, OU, Colorado, aTm, Montana State.

That obviously compares to LSU, Alabama, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, Arizona State, Tennessee, Georgia Southern, and Central Michigan.

All he can do is play the teams on his schedule. His tools are still the same whether KSU plays USC or Northern Iowa. This argument is honestly pretty awful, considering the likes of Big Ben, Flacco, Matt Ryan, etc.

4) I'm really not in favor of us trading future picks in order to move back up to take someone when we are trying to rebuild an entire football team.

We could trade back as well. Either way, it's moronic to just exclude a player that could help this team because you currently don't like one potential way to acquire him.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

You keep saying this, and it makes absolutely no sense. Keep throwing out non sequitors though, it really makes you sound like you know what you're talking about.



He's just a junior, he's not perfect, and so does Stafford.



Sure. And his surrounding talent is much worse than what Stafford has, and I've pointed this out to you numerous times.



All he can do is play the teams on his schedule. His tools are still the same whether KSU plays USC or Northern Iowa. This argument is honestly pretty awful, considering the likes of Big Ben, Flacco, Matt Ryan, etc.



We could trade back as well. Either way, it's moronic to just exclude a player that could help this team because you currently don't like one potential way to acquire him.

Point 1: This board has shown a consistent history of Big XII bias. It's not a non-sequitur, it's an ability to rationalize that people have a fondness for prospects who they are closer to/see more.

Point 2: Stafford's receivers are shite. They can't get separation and he is routinely playing against elite college level talent. But here's the difference--he's shown an ability to read a defense, go through his progressions, check off and audible at the line of scrimmage, and distribute the ball to the correct man in the right spot.

Freeman is neither as accurate nor as strong armed of a thrower as Stafford, and although Stafford has made some poor decisions, Freeman is not nearly as advanced when it comes to making good choices with the football. Freeman played like absolute crap against the likes of Colorado and Louisville. Stafford played like crap against Alabama, but was literally the only thing that team had going for them that entire night.

The fact of the matter is that Freeman is a horribly inconsistent player, and he needs another year of actually playing the position to work out those kinds.

And trading down from a top five pick? Absolutely ****ing reeruned unless someone offers you a Herschel Walker level of compensation.