Scout.com's Mock Draft - 04-03-2009

[The Franchise]

Complete with a trade.

http://profootball.scout.com/2/853317.html

KC receives: #12 and #18

Denver receives: #3

Sanchez goes #1 to the Lions
Monroe goes #2 to the Rams
Stafford goes #3 to the Broncos
Jason Smith goes #4 to the Rams
Jesus Christ goes #5 to the Broncos



The Chiefs get:

#12 - Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
#18 - Andre Smith, OT, Alabama

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

For the **** of it, we'll drop some more evidence down the pike:

Unfortunately, when Long is on the left side, protecting Pennington, he doesn't look so natural.

Pennington was never sacked on Sunday, but there were a few plays when Long left him vulnerable. On one Pennington pass in the first quarter, Long was at left tackle with Seymour to his inside and Vrabel to his outside. He gave a quick shove to Seymour and then turned toward Vrabel, but it was too late: Vrabel was already past him. Fortunately for the Dolphins, Brown stayed in for pass protection and kept Vrabel from getting to Pennington, with Long eventually coming over to help Brown. I can't say for sure what the Dolphins' protection assignments were on the play, but it looked like Brown bailed Long out by blocking Vrabel when Long should have.

On another pass play, a second-and-12 in the third quarter, Long was at left tackle with Patriots outside linebacker Adalius Thomas to his outside. At the snap, Patriots safety Rodney Harrison blitzed to Long's inside, and Long let him go to block Thomas. That was a mistake; if Long had to let someone go it should have been Thomas, who had a longer route to get to Pennington. Fortunately for the Dolphins, Pennington got his pass off just before Harrison hit him, and it was complete for a 12-yard gain to Williams.

Two plays later Long made a similar mistake: When Thomas looped to the inside to blitz, Long got caught flat-footed and let Thomas go when he should have followed him. But, again, Pennington escaped the pressure and passed for a first down. Any of those plays could have resulted in Pennington getting sacked, but since Pennington got the passes away despite the pressure, no one will remember how Long screwed up.

One of the good things about having a weak-armed quarterback like Pennington is that the Dolphins are going to throw mostly short passes, meaning they don't need the offensive line to hold its blocks quite as long as they would if Pennington were throwing downfield more often. And most of the time, Long at least got in the way of the guy he was pass-blocking for long enough that Pennington could get a short pass away. On the first play of the Dolphins' second offensive series, for instance, Long was matched one-on-one with Vrabel, who blitzed as Pennington dropped back to pass. Vrabel got a fairly good first step and appeared to have Long off balance for a moment, but Long quickly recovered and stayed in front of Vrabel long enough to allow Pennington to get the pass off.

Of all the Patriots who rushed Pennington with Long blocking them, the one who was the most effective was probably defensive end Jarvis Green, who almost disrupted one of Pennington's first quarter passes simply by pushing Long straight back toward Pennington. The knock on Long coming out of college was that he would struggle with speed rushers, as he did with former Ohio State defensive end and current Jets linebacker Vernon Gholston. But on Sunday it was the bull rush that seemed more effective against Long.

When I was at the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis, I talked to several NFL people who thought Long, a left tackle at Michigan, should move to the right in the NFL. Based on the way he played Sunday, I'd have to concur. He's as good as they come at opening holes in the running game, but I'd be worried if I were a quarterback counting on Long to protect my blind side.

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JFC back at ya... you still don't understand that your argument requires more data than JUST Jake Long.. even if I were to say YES he gets help on occasion... YOUR argument requires showing that other tackles DON'T... You have yet to show that side of it....

Reading comprehension.. try it out.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by RustShack

If I were on a power rushing team with mauling Olinemen and rarely passed the ball, I'd take big Phil... otherwise, no thanks.

AGREED.. but that is IF someone tries to put him at LT.. at RT he will be fine on almost any team.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

What a preposterous amount of hypocrisy. That's just staggering, and that's not mentioning the obvious proof that you showed in not having read the article, when it precisely points out when, where, and by whom he was helped while you claimed that nothing of the sort was implied or said.

OK hypocrisy? I don't think that word means what you think it means....

Seriously dude, other than your attitude over draft opinions.. you come across as reasonably intelligent... PLEASE reread my posts and try to understand the point I am making.

YOU made a statement that you have yet to back up. Your statement requires proof that he is NOT a franchise LT... which YOU stated is someone who never needs help... prove that OTHER.. let me make this perfectly clear.. OTHER franchise LTs don't get help... you have YET to touch on that half of the argument. hence your assertion is far from fact... it is nothing but hot air.

Christ I am tired of trying to teach a logic class and am going to bed.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

AGREED.. but that is IF someone tries to put him at LT.. at RT he will be fine on almost any team.

You'd think so from looking at him, but I've payed alot of attention to him when I watched OU and I don't see how he'll ever make it in the NFL. He's SO slow...

[htismaqe]

Holy shit.

Was Kyle drinking last night?

[luv]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Holy shit.

Was Kyle drinking last night?

I hope he didn't have to get up early this morning.

I must admit that I love to read conversations like this (minus name calling and insults). It's a good way to learn a thing or two.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

#1 every LT gets help on occasion... LONG didn't get an inordinate amount.. and the BURDEN OF PROOF for your inane statement rests on you... show me a factual account of all his plays and compare him against other LTs and how much help was given as a percentage based on type of play (run or pass) Otherwise, it seems you are making this up to support a previously failed argument.

The only proof he could provide is showing all of his games, which isn't all that practical.
Jake Long did get an inordinate amout of help, but I apologize that I can not prove it.
I can only tell you that I watched a lot of the Dolphins, and that's how I saw.

#2 How many MORE ProBowls does Long need to go to before you admit being wrong?

I have always argued that pro bowls are overrated, and just just learned something recently that supports that opinion.

Sammy Winder went to two pro bowls.
Are you kidding me?
Sammy Winder?
What a ****ing joke.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

You'd think so from looking at him, but I've payed alot of attention to him when I watched OU and I don't see how he'll ever make it in the NFL. He's SO slow...

Exactly, which is why I called him a plodder, and thought that that description would be self explanatory.