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**The Bad Guy** · 04-23-2009, 09:43 PM

So I'm browsing other boards tonight, and I almost choked to death when I saw a thread titled.."I miss Carl Peterson"...

The message inside was "we used to have a GM here."

I'm just completely numb from the complete stupidity I've witnessed on some boards. Chiefs fans have to be some of the dumbest ****ing creatures walking the planet.

Only on a Chiefs board would a ****ing moron say that they miss Carl Peterson. Last year, at this time, if you would have told me that Carl Peterson would resign and we would get Scott Pioli, I would have offered up my first born as collateral.

Now that we've traded the fan favorite, who ironically was a complete asshole to most fans, people are pining for the days of Carl?

Yeah, who needs playoff wins when we can have superstar tight ends and full backs.

****ing a.

htismaqe · 04-24-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Yeah I heard that and KK was right on a few things but then again he thinks Cassel is the franchise QB. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. If Cassel flames out then we are back to square one.

I will say this about Tony I think it is stupid for anyone to stay he was just a "TE". This "TE" was better than 85-90% of NFL #1 WR's.

I don't think Keitz is wrong to think Cassel is a franchise QB. He very well could be. In all fairness, he's LIGHT YEARS better than Thigpen, Huard, and Croyle. So it's easy to see where Keitz is coming from.

You guys should listen now. Petro is basically breaking down what KK said last night (without mentioning his name) and saying every point is stupid. Brian Waters is a team leader. Fans are going to regret that they ever applauded this trade. Todd Haley is on the hotseat now because of what he said to Brian Waters and he doesn't see how the Chiefs win more than 2 or 3 games when they're trading away all their stars.

htismaqe · 04-24-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Yeah I heard that and KK was right on a few things but then again he thinks Cassel is the franchise QB. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. If Cassel flames out then we are back to square one.

I will say this about Tony I think it is stupid for anyone to stay he was just a "TE". This "TE" was better than 85-90% of NFL #1 WR's.

KK wasn't saying he was "just" a TE - that carries a far different connotation. Tony had more receptions and TD's than alot of WR's, but Tony, by himself, doesn't break games open. He doesn't have huge YPC. He isn't a WR, he's a TE.

kc rush · 04-24-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't think Keitz is wrong to think Cassel is a franchise QB. He very well could be. In all fairness, he's LIGHT YEARS better than Thigpen, Huard, and Croyle. So it's easy to see where Keitz is coming from.

You guys should listen now. Petro is basically breaking down what KK said last night (without mentioning his name) and saying every point is stupid. Brian Waters is a team leader. Fans are going to regret that they ever applauded this trade. Todd Haley is on the hotseat now because of what he said to Brian Waters and he doesn't see how the Chiefs win more than 2 or 3 games when they're trading away all their stars.

I like Petro (think he is the best in KC), but Waters is a big source and regular interview for him. I'm sure he is a bit butt hurt that things are changing.

I personally think that its awesome that the media will actually have to work now to get info.

**Nzoner** · 04-24-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Now that we've traded the fan favorite, who ironically was a complete asshole to most fans

Yep,my encounter with him at the HOF game was something that left a very bad taste in my mouth.Good focking riddance Gonzo,you were great and I'll never deny that but you can still kiss my ass.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 04-24-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't think Keitz is wrong to think Cassel is a franchise QB. He very well could be. In all fairness, he's LIGHT YEARS better than Thigpen, Huard, and Croyle. So it's easy to see where Keitz is coming from.

You guys should listen now. Petro is basically breaking down what KK said last night (without mentioning his name) and saying every point is stupid. Brian Waters is a team leader. Fans are going to regret that they ever applauded this trade. Todd Haley is on the hotseat now because of what he said to Brian Waters and he doesn't see how the Chiefs win more than 2 or 3 games when they're trading away all their stars.

God damn that ****ing PetroDouche!!!!

Dude needs to stick to baseball.

Keitz got a little overly "Miss Cleo" about Cassel, but I see your point

chiefzilla1501 · 04-24-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

What's really funny is that Kevin Keitzman, for about the last year and a half, has been the VOICE OF REASON when it comes to the Chiefs.

While Petro is saying we should take a tackle at #3, and the morning guys were enjoying Tyler Thigpen, Keitzman was saying we need a franchise QB.

Keitzman spent yesterday afternoon saying that the Chiefs fanbase needs to get over Gonzales - he's a TIGHT END - and it might just be that, because we put too much emphasis on guys like Tony G, Will Shields, and Tony Richardson, THAT is why we haven't won a Super Bowl.

While I can see that point, I don't think it's true. Tony G was a difference maker, especially in Vermeil's scheme. The reason the Chiefs didn't win a Super Bowl under Vermeil is not because they paid too much attention to role players. It's because an arrogant GM settled for second-wave free agents to patch up his defense and was so faithful to his inner network of friends that he refused to fire any of Robinson's assistants and replaced Robinson with one of his friends without opening up the interview process. I still can't help but dream of how far the Chiefs could have gone if Peterson interviewed someone outside the organization to be his defensive coordinator after GRob was fired.

**Nzoner** · 04-24-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

While I can see that point, I don't think it's true. Tony G was a difference maker, especially in Vermeil's scheme. The reason the Chiefs didn't win a Super Bowl under Vermeil is not because they paid too much attention to role players. It's because an arrogant GM settled for second-wave free agents to patch up his defense and was so faithful to his inner network of friends that he refused to fire any of Robinson's assistants and replaced Robinson with one of his friends without opening up the interview process. I still can't help but dream of how far the Chiefs could have gone if Peterson interviewed someone outside the organization to be his defensive coordinator after GRob was fired.

We may never know for sure but I believe it was Carl's final say that enabled Grbac to come back for the '97 playoffs,based on comments I heard on 101 the Fox and then later from Marty on NFL Live I think he wanted to stay with Gannon but the King overruled him.

**dirk digler** · 04-24-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I don't think Keitz is wrong to think Cassel is a franchise QB. He very well could be. In all fairness, he's LIGHT YEARS better than Thigpen, Huard, and Croyle. So it's easy to see where Keitz is coming from.

You guys should listen now. Petro is basically breaking down what KK said last night (without mentioning his name) and saying every point is stupid. Brian Waters is a team leader. Fans are going to regret that they ever applauded this trade. Todd Haley is on the hotseat now because of what he said to Brian Waters and he doesn't see how the Chiefs win more than 2 or 3 games when they're trading away all their stars.

I don't think KK is wrong to think that because it is his opinion and I hope Cassel ends up being the franchise QB. Maybe it was just the way he was saying things yesterday that struck me wrong like when he said he would have gotten rid of Tony a few years ago.

I think Petro is wrong that people are overwhelming applauding this trade I see the opposite plus he seems upset since he lost access.

**dirk digler** · 04-24-2009, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

KK wasn't saying he was "just" a TE - that carries a far different connotation. Tony had more receptions and TD's than alot of WR's, but Tony, by himself, doesn't break games open. He doesn't have huge YPC. He isn't a WR, he's a TE.

I disagree because I remember several games Tony just took over and opened up the game offensively.

Plus teams really didn't treat Tony as a TE. Denver stuck Champ Bailey on him alot of times.

htismaqe · 04-24-2009, 10:45 AM

Petro just said that Chase Coffman is the #1 tight end in this draft.

He also said we'll never trade for Boldin because of his personality conflict with Todd Haley (apparently he missed the Boldin interview where he said he'd love to play for Haley again).

I think Petro has lost it. Either that, or 810 demands some kind of polar balance and if Keitzman is being the voice of reason, they need Petro to be the other end of that...

htismaqe · 04-24-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

While I can see that point, I don't think it's true. Tony G was a difference maker, especially in Vermeil's scheme. The reason the Chiefs didn't win a Super Bowl under Vermeil is not because they paid too much attention to role players. It's because an arrogant GM settled for second-wave free agents to patch up his defense and was so faithful to his inner network of friends that he refused to fire any of Robinson's assistants and replaced Robinson with one of his friends without opening up the interview process. I still can't help but dream of how far the Chiefs could have gone if Peterson interviewed someone outside the organization to be his defensive coordinator after GRob was fired.

I'm not BLAMING Tony Gonzales.

But you have to acknowledge the POSSIBILITY that we spent too much money on positions that shouldn't have warranted the money, thus preventing us from winning it all.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 04-24-2009, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Nzoner

We may never know for sure but I believe it was Carl's final say that enabled Grbac to come back for the '97 playoffs,based on comments I heard on 101 the Fox and then later from Marty on NFL Live I think he wanted to stay with Gannon but the King overruled him.

I'd sure love to get that mystery cleared up once and for all.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Petro just said that Chase Coffman is the #1 tight end in this draft.

He also said we'll never trade for Boldin because of his personality conflict with Todd Haley (apparently he missed the Boldin interview where he said he'd love to play for Haley again).

I think Petro has lost it. Either that, or 810 demands some kind of polar balance and if Keitzman is being the voice of reason, they need Petro to be the other end of that...

GoodGodHeSucks!!!

Annoying mother****er.

Nixhex · 04-24-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Petro just said that Chase Coffman is the #1 tight end in this draft.

I think he's the best pass catching TE in the draft. He wasn't really asked to block at MU but that doesn't mean he can't. I bet if Coffman stays healthy he has a very solid NFL career.

htismaqe · 04-24-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nixhex

I think he's the best pass catching TE in the draft. He wasn't really asked to block at MU but that doesn't mean he can't. I bet if Coffman stays healthy he has a very solid NFL career.

I'm not convinced he's even the best pass-catching TE in the draft. Because of the offense, he's more of a bigger, slower WR than a real TE. The spread offense really makes these kind of players hard to evaluate because they're not put into NFL-like matchups and situations.

04-23-2009, 09:43 PM
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9363645	Some fans deserve to have their eyes ripped out with a pitchfork So I'm browsing other boards tonight, and I almost choked to death when I saw a thread titled.."I miss Carl Peterson"... The message inside was "we used to have a GM here." I'm just completely numb from the complete stupidity I've witnessed on some boards. Chiefs fans have to be some of the dumbest **ing creatures walking the planet. Only on a Chiefs board would a ing moron say that they miss Carl Peterson. Last year, at this time, if you would have told me that Carl Peterson would resign and we would get Scott Pioli, I would have offered up my first born as collateral. Now that we've traded the fan favorite, who ironically was a complete asshole to most fans, people are pining for the days of Carl? Yeah, who needs playoff wins when we can have superstar tight ends and full backs. **ing a.
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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $10269900	Petro just said that Chase Coffman is the #1 tight end in this draft. He also said we'll never trade for Boldin because of his personality conflict with Todd Haley (apparently he missed the Boldin interview where he said he'd love to play for Haley again). I think Petro has lost it. Either that, or 810 demands some kind of polar balance and if Keitzman is being the voice of reason, they need Petro to be the other end of that...
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