QBs: Dickhead vs. Douchebag - Page 4

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-25-2010, 10:07 AM

I've been thinking about the Clausen debate a good deal recently. I'm not totally sold on Clausen in light of next year's class, but I'm not sure we'll be in position to take one of those guys either. Obviously, Clausen's personality has rubbed people the wrong way at times. But how so?

Mecca made a point the other day that it wasn't a big deal, because a lot of QBs were douches. That's definitely true, but perhaps taken more literally, how successful have the true douchebags been? I'm talking about me-first, aloof assholes who have a bizarre air of entitlement about them.

Conversely, how has their success compared to that of dickheads? Essentially a dickhead is someone who acts like an ass to a lot of people, is incredibly demanding, but may not have the aloof attitude of the douchebag.

Looking at a lot of QBs across history, I think that you could break them down along the following lines:

Dickheads:

Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady.

All of them bitched out their WRs for very small mistakes, got on their line for blown coverages, or snapped on a back for missing a block. But one could argue that it was due to their insane competitive drive.

Douchebags:

Jeff George, Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf.

These guys were all (seemingly) despised by both fans and teammates. They didn't always get into it with players, but they never seemed to have a problem mixing it up with either fans or coaches.

Here is the crux. Obviously, the dickheads in the above example are "winners" while the douchebags are "losers". Is the only differentiation between the two the fact that the dickheads won? Or, do the dickheads have something within their dickhead personality that makes them win, something the douchebags never had?

If we are to believe this rather primitive theory, do you think that Clausen's actions are the actions of a dickhead or a douchebag, and how might that affect your view on drafting him?

**Note that I've exempted guys like Drew Brees and Joe Montana, who seem universally loved by their teammates

****Grbac was a douche and Gannon was a dickhead.

milkman · 02-27-2010, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

really, thank you for the interjection

Learned a new word today, huh?

Good for you.

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-27-2010, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Learned a new word today, huh?

Good for you.

Yes, I have plenty of two dollar words at my disposal.

milkman · 02-27-2010, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Yes, I have plenty of two dollar words at my disposal.

That's great.

Now, with a little work you can learn to use them in sentences that are less disjointed than the one in post #43.

Then, perhaps, you can explain more eloquently how your Pop Warner QB days give you this great insight to QBs have "it".

**The Bad Guy** · 02-28-2010, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Have you played the position before? I have in, and you ever been in a situation where your temperament will dictate how something that makes you transcend the moment or possible make you pile of shit on the street.

The guy doesn't have it period.

So you played QB, and you have these bad of takes on the position?

What exactly is it? Because I'm confused how you can keep flip-flopping on a subject you obviously are so well versed in.

One day you talk about how Cassel is a hot head on the field and will scream at teammates (and this somehow makes him a bad QB, not the physical or mental limitations), the next day you talk about how he'll just sulk on the sideline by himself.

These 2 statements are massive contradictions.

Please forward me the videos of you playing QB in your flag football league so I can analyze your temperment.

Chiefnj2 · 02-28-2010, 11:00 AM

It's usually immaturity, not d-bagness that causes a QB to fail. NFL.COM was doing a bit on the top 10 busts of all time. A frequent word that popped up when speaking with people about Leaf and Mirer was immaturity. I would also say that it is immaturity and laziness that is setting Russel back.

Willie Lanier · 02-28-2010, 10:58 PM

Without intending to be abrasive, (and I am aware whenever someone states their intention not to do something they inevitably wind up doing just that) I find the need to categorize people into specific groups detrimental to the process of evaluation. Saying he's either a "dickhead" or a "douchebag" just limits your parameters of evaluation. I think I grasp the concept you're striving for, but I'm simply trying to point out that a grey area always exists.

02-25-2010, 10:07 AM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	QBs: Dickhead vs. Douchebag I've been thinking about the Clausen debate a good deal recently. I'm not totally sold on Clausen in light of next year's class, but I'm not sure we'll be in position to take one of those guys either. Obviously, Clausen's personality has rubbed people the wrong way at times. But how so? Mecca made a point the other day that it wasn't a big deal, because a lot of QBs were douches. That's definitely true, but perhaps taken more literally, how successful have the true douchebags been? I'm talking about me-first, aloof assholes who have a bizarre air of entitlement about them. Conversely, how has their success compared to that of dickheads? Essentially a dickhead is someone who acts like an ass to a lot of people, is incredibly demanding, but may not have the aloof attitude of the douchebag. Looking at a lot of QBs across history, I think that you could break them down along the following lines: Dickheads: Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady. All of them bitched out their WRs for very small mistakes, got on their line for blown coverages, or snapped on a back for missing a block. But one could argue that it was due to their insane competitive drive. Douchebags: Jeff George, Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf. These guys were all (seemingly) despised by both fans and teammates. They didn't always get into it with players, but they never seemed to have a problem mixing it up with either fans or coaches. Here is the crux. Obviously, the dickheads in the above example are "winners" while the douchebags are "losers". Is the only differentiation between the two the fact that the dickheads won? Or, do the dickheads have something within their dickhead personality that makes them win, something the douchebags never had? If we are to believe this rather primitive theory, do you think that Clausen's actions are the actions of a dickhead or a douchebag, and how might that affect your view on drafting him? Note that I've exempted guys like Drew Brees and Joe Montana, who seem universally loved by their teammates **Grbac was a douche and Gannon was a dickhead.
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	It's usually immaturity, not d-bagness that causes a QB to fail. NFL.COM was doing a bit on the top 10 busts of all time. A frequent word that popped up when speaking with people about Leaf and Mirer was immaturity. I would also say that it is immaturity and laziness that is setting Russel back. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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02-28-2010, 10:58 PM	#51
Willie Lanier Veteran Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Canton Casino cash: $8767261	Without intending to be abrasive, (and I am aware whenever someone states their intention not to do something they inevitably wind up doing just that) I find the need to categorize people into specific groups detrimental to the process of evaluation. Saying he's either a "dickhead" or a "douchebag" just limits your parameters of evaluation. I think I grasp the concept you're striving for, but I'm simply trying to point out that a grey area always exists.
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