QBs: Dickhead vs. Douchebag - Page 3

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-25-2010, 10:07 AM

I've been thinking about the Clausen debate a good deal recently. I'm not totally sold on Clausen in light of next year's class, but I'm not sure we'll be in position to take one of those guys either. Obviously, Clausen's personality has rubbed people the wrong way at times. But how so?

Mecca made a point the other day that it wasn't a big deal, because a lot of QBs were douches. That's definitely true, but perhaps taken more literally, how successful have the true douchebags been? I'm talking about me-first, aloof assholes who have a bizarre air of entitlement about them.

Conversely, how has their success compared to that of dickheads? Essentially a dickhead is someone who acts like an ass to a lot of people, is incredibly demanding, but may not have the aloof attitude of the douchebag.

Looking at a lot of QBs across history, I think that you could break them down along the following lines:

Dickheads:

Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady.

All of them bitched out their WRs for very small mistakes, got on their line for blown coverages, or snapped on a back for missing a block. But one could argue that it was due to their insane competitive drive.

Douchebags:

Jeff George, Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf.

These guys were all (seemingly) despised by both fans and teammates. They didn't always get into it with players, but they never seemed to have a problem mixing it up with either fans or coaches.

Here is the crux. Obviously, the dickheads in the above example are "winners" while the douchebags are "losers". Is the only differentiation between the two the fact that the dickheads won? Or, do the dickheads have something within their dickhead personality that makes them win, something the douchebags never had?

If we are to believe this rather primitive theory, do you think that Clausen's actions are the actions of a dickhead or a douchebag, and how might that affect your view on drafting him?

**Note that I've exempted guys like Drew Brees and Joe Montana, who seem universally loved by their teammates

****Grbac was a douche and Gannon was a dickhead.

bowener · 02-25-2010, 02:14 PM

I really can't find a place to ask this question, and I don't want to start a thread for it, but do you think there is a chance the Chiefs sign Willie Parker as a RB to share carries with Charles? Is he pretty much permanently busted up or what? There are the obvious "Steelers ties" that may be required for the Chiefs to look his way, and the Steelers apparently do not want to resign him.

ToxSocks · 02-25-2010, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener

I really can't find a place to ask this question, and I don't want to start a thread for it, but do you think there is a chance the Chiefs sign Willie Parker as a RB to share carries with Charles? Is he pretty much permanently busted up or what? There are the obvious "Steelers ties" that may be required for the Chiefs to look his way, and the Steelers apparently do not want to resign him.

Very good question. If he is healthy, Charles+Parker seems like a damn good combo. Im not sure why everyone wants a power back, especially if the offense is tailored to suit a particular running style.

I'd rather the Chiefs picked up another scat back than a Power back.

KCrockaholic · 02-25-2010, 02:54 PM

The only Power back that I would like to see in a Chiefs uniform is Blount. But I don't see it happening.

ToxSocks · 02-25-2010, 02:54 PM

And this probably would have been a better thread to ask that question:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=223948

Fish · 02-26-2010, 01:09 PM

per Pest's post in the Lounge......

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...&postcount=681

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Posted by: chris steuber, scout.com
at 02/26/2010 01:20 PM ET

Tate Lauds Clausen's Leadership

A lot has been made about Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen's leadership qualities and off the field attitude and when Clausen's go-to-guy, wide receiver Golden Tate, stepped to the podium this afternoon, I specifically asked him about the signal caller's ability to lead a team.

"I think he was a great leader," Tate said. "He was very consistent. Every day he showed up to work whether he was sick or hurt, you got the same Jimmy. He did a great job of keeping the team together. I'm very pleased about what he did for the program. Obviously, we wanted to win more games, but you can't blame that all on the quarterback. I feel like I should have made more plays to put us in a better situation. Overall, he did a great job."

As far as Clausen's demeanor in the huddle...

"You knew he was there," Tate said. "He's a leader. When he entered the huddle, we listened. He made great speeches to help us out and he would motivate us. I think he was great."

Tate considers Clausen a close friend and he said, "I'm lucky to have been able to play with him."

**The Franchise** · 02-26-2010, 01:12 PM

I was just about to post that here. Thanks.

Chiefnj2 · 02-26-2010, 08:30 PM

Does anyone think Tate would say something negative about Clausen? He'd come off as a dick if he did.

Mecca · 02-26-2010, 08:36 PM

No not in public but scouts will ask basically all of the OU and ND guys what they think of the QB's as leaders and personalities etc etc.

Hammock Parties · 02-26-2010, 09:06 PM

Consider that two of three douchebags were not in very good playing shape.

I know Manning and Brady have always kept in great shape. Marino was always in pretty good shape.

milkman · 02-27-2010, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

This is definitely it for me. I don't care whether the guy has a solid gold statue of himself in his house that he masturbates to daily.

Well, if he does, he shouldn't be on his receivers about drops, cause the ball might be slippery.

milkman · 02-27-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

It's gotten to the point that everything you say about any QB should be taken with about the biggest ****ing grain of salt ever.

According to you a few months ago, Cassel would yell at teammates and he was too big of a hothead to play the position (whatever the ****ing hell that means).

Now, he sulks on the sidelines.

Which is it?

I'm no Cassel fan, but your inconsistency is ridiculous. If you hate the guy, just come out and say you ****ing hate him instead of trying to analyze something you obviously have no ****ing clue about what you're talking about.

It's typical Tribal Warfare bullshit.

melbar · 02-27-2010, 10:52 PM

I have to say that guys like Manning do the work and expect the same out of the guys around them. So when they bitch, you have to respect them. Leaf, Cutler, and George, never did the same work so they didnt garner the same respect that leads teammates to follow them. You'll take BS off someone who is willing to do the same thing they ask of you.

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-27-2010, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

just come out and say you ****ing hate him instead of trying to analyze something you obviously have no ****ing clue about what you're talking about.

Have you played the position before? I have in, and you ever been in a situation where your temperament will dictate how something that makes you transcend the moment or possible make you pile of shit on the street.

The guy doesn't have it period.

milkman · 02-27-2010, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Have you played the position before? I have in, and you ever been in a situation where your temperament will dictate how something that makes you transcend the moment or possible make you pile of shit on the street.

The guy doesn't have it period.

You are a ****ing joke.

**Tribal Warfare** · 02-27-2010, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

You are a ****ing joke.

really, thank you for the interjection

02-25-2010, 10:07 AM
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	QBs: Dickhead vs. Douchebag I've been thinking about the Clausen debate a good deal recently. I'm not totally sold on Clausen in light of next year's class, but I'm not sure we'll be in position to take one of those guys either. Obviously, Clausen's personality has rubbed people the wrong way at times. But how so? Mecca made a point the other day that it wasn't a big deal, because a lot of QBs were douches. That's definitely true, but perhaps taken more literally, how successful have the true douchebags been? I'm talking about me-first, aloof assholes who have a bizarre air of entitlement about them. Conversely, how has their success compared to that of dickheads? Essentially a dickhead is someone who acts like an ass to a lot of people, is incredibly demanding, but may not have the aloof attitude of the douchebag. Looking at a lot of QBs across history, I think that you could break them down along the following lines: Dickheads: Dan Marino, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady. All of them bitched out their WRs for very small mistakes, got on their line for blown coverages, or snapped on a back for missing a block. But one could argue that it was due to their insane competitive drive. Douchebags: Jeff George, Jay Cutler, Ryan Leaf. These guys were all (seemingly) despised by both fans and teammates. They didn't always get into it with players, but they never seemed to have a problem mixing it up with either fans or coaches. Here is the crux. Obviously, the dickheads in the above example are "winners" while the douchebags are "losers". Is the only differentiation between the two the fact that the dickheads won? Or, do the dickheads have something within their dickhead personality that makes them win, something the douchebags never had? If we are to believe this rather primitive theory, do you think that Clausen's actions are the actions of a dickhead or a douchebag, and how might that affect your view on drafting him? Note that I've exempted guys like Drew Brees and Joe Montana, who seem universally loved by their teammates **Grbac was a douche and Gannon was a dickhead.
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