CBS Sports Article On KS's 2nd Rd picks

[Cosmos]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...overlist_photo

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(KC's 2nd rd picks)

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by el borracho

The complaint is not that we missed a NT, the complaint is that we took role players who will not spend much time on the field when we could have taken starters. Linebackers, NT, offensive linemen, starting WR all would have made more sense because they would get more time on the field and, therefore, could have made a larger contribution. Hell, even Mays (the safety) would have made more sense than a project slot receiver who weighs less than most high schoolers.

I just don't understand the definition of "starters." Why do Nose Tackles, most of which don't play 3 downs, get labeled as these players that get so much more playing time than say a nickel corner w/return capability, or a Darren Sproles type player? It's maddening.

A lot of these 2nd-to-3rd round d-linemen are going to be average rotational guys at the very best. So would you rather a guy who's really good in a specific role? Or a 33% chance of landing a guy who's very good at the position overall?

[xbarretx]

Originally Posted by GordonGekko

good to read some outside perspective;

everyone is so doom and gloom here it makes me wonder if every team would just be better off picking who ever was at the top of 'mel's best available' list.

exactily! how many king carl drafts did we follow Kipers top guys list only to end up with a crap draft? Most of the time our drafts seemed good at the time b/c they seemed to mirror the various scouting reports ... however, we all know how most our the previous regimes drafts ended up

While it makes no sense to me, its not my job to know everything that needs to be known to conduct a successful draft. As such, when i hear names mentioned that i know little to nothing about...i have a WTF moment. Then however, i remind myself that its Scott and not Carl running the show and i take a deep breath and put my trust in the front office. A change from the past is a welcomed change in my opinion. This draft wasnt gang busters or flashy, but it does appear that Pioli is trying to build us a team here in KC. Which is a contrast to what we are use to here, which was constant stop gaps and slapping duct-tape on problem areas.

Time will tell what a watch wont on this one, but in no shape or form was it a sign that the ship was about to blowup thanks to being bombed by the copter.

[penchief]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Yeah.....I'm so glad that we have these two guys instead of Kindle and Cody....you know....two players that filled voids in our defense and were actually talented.

I'll even accept the McCluster pick if you get Cody at #50....but a ****ing nickle back who returns kicks? **** that shit.

Cody is a huge risk based on his inability to keep himself in shape. An unmotivated lazy ass is the last thing this team needs. It amazes me how enamoured some of you are with a guy like that. The fact that you clamor for such an undisciplined player undermines your own self-proclaimed expertise.

I guess you might as will bitch about Cody because at this point you'd sound foolish bitching about us not taking Clausen at five. How did that work out for you?

[penchief]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I just don't understand the definition of "starters." Why do Nose Tackles, most of which don't play 3 downs, get labeled as these players that get so much more playing time than say a nickel corner w/return capability, or a Darren Sproles type player? It's maddening.

A lot of these 2nd-to-3rd round d-linemen are going to be average rotational guys at the very best. So would you rather a guy who's really good in a specific role? Or a 33% chance of landing a guy who's very good at the position overall?

At Alabama Cody sat out a lot of downs due to his lack of stanima. According to a lot of the draft experts around here that's the type of guy we should have drafted high.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by Laz

the BPA is a great theory but when you have as many draft picks as we did then you need to be able to fill both value and need.

so maybe we don't grab a NT in the 2nd ... maybe we go Linebacker (washington) or even another safety(Nate Allen).

then you go with a slot WR/KR like Jordan Shipley in the 3rd and then grab atkins or Cam Thomas.

there were viable NT's that went in just about every round for you to get value and need

Terrance Cody - 2nd round (good enough for the Ravens)
Torrell Troup - 2nd round (Bills)
Linval Joseph - 2nd round (giants)

3 nose tackles that went in the 2nd after we picked ... to teams that know defense pretty good.

Geno Atkins - 4th round (cincy)

Cam Thomas - 5th round (chargers, this could bite us in the butt)


clearly Pioli is ok with our nose tackle position so no excuses about it this year.

1) As you mention, Pioli just might not think our need at NT is as great as you do.

2) The Ravens, Bills, and Giants might have taken McCluster if he had been available to them in the 2nd. The Chiefs might have taken Troupe at 2b if he was still available. The Ravens might have taken Arenas over Cody if they'd have had the chance. We'll probably never know how any of these teams' draft boards looked.

You're welcome to disagree with their choices, of course, but there isn't an argument that you can make that proves your way is objectively better than theirs.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by el borracho

The complaint is not that we missed a NT, the complaint is that we took role players who will not spend much time on the field when we could have taken starters. Linebackers, NT, offensive linemen, starting WR all would have made more sense because they would get more time on the field and, therefore, could have made a larger contribution. Hell, even Mays (the safety) would have made more sense than a project slot receiver who weighs less than most high schoolers.

Someone on the radio mentioned that the Chiefs see Arenas as a 50 snap per game guy. That's not a role player. If McCluster pans out, he's not really a role player either. And to the extent that either of them ends up improving our return game, that's a pretty important role.

How often does Arizona's 3rd WR see the field? Who's more of a role player, the home run hitting slot receiver or the run-stuffing 2-down DT?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by TEX

I completely agree. More unbelievable when you consider how Pioli ignored the OL last year. No way in hell to justify ignoring the front 7 this year - especially with two 2nd round picks. It doesn't matter the GM - it all seems exactly lke the past...

First, your O-line lovin' true fan tears are oh-so yummy to me, that I instantly felt better reading your post, so thanks.

Second, I APPLAUD Pioli for ignoring the O-line with our first three picks because it will hopefully spell Cassel's early demise and departure from this team so that we may move forward with the selection of a legitimate QB next year, and put this utter New England-trade foolishness behind us just like the vomit-inducing, horrendous experiment gone "Jykll" that it is.

Peace be with you.

[KurtCobain]

i love our second round
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[Bootlegged]

what a collection of GM wannabe's - proven absoultely wrong. Laz...ha.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by ROR

First, your O-line lovin' true fan tears are oh-so yummy to me, that I instantly felt better reading your post, so thanks.

Second, I APPLAUD Pioli for ignoring the O-line with our first three picks because it will hopefully spell Cassel's early demise and departure from this team so that we may move forward with the selection of a legitimate QB next year, and put this utter New England-trade foolishness behind us just like the vomit-inducing, horrendous experiment gone "Jykll" that it is.

Peace be with you.

You want to be Hamas so badly that it's laughable. You're doing a good job in this regard when it comes to your complete lack of talent evaluation. That said, even Hamas knows that the front 7 is your defensive linemen and linebackers and not the offensive line. What a joke you are. Maybe if we had 7 offensive linemen blocking, we could invent the non-existent 40 yard out that you always talk about a QB needing to throw well.

[Chiefnj2]

Pioli did a much, much better job evaluating talent this year as compared to last year.

That being said, maybe I'm just stubborn, but I'm still not thrilled with day 2 of the draft. I know RDMC bailed KC out last night. But in the long run, are you going to rely on 94 yard punt returns in every game, or would it be better to have a QB that your OC has some faith in? A returner/nickle CB or a WR that get separation and catch the ball so that the team can put the game away and not play scaredy cat football the entire 2nd half?

I want the draft picks to work out since they are Chiefs, and I'm happy as hell they did so well. I defended RDMC last week when Clayton wrote the asinine article about RDMC being a failure if he doesn't put up 700 or more receiving yards, but in the long run my gut is still telling me build the core first. Hopefully my gut will be wrong.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

You want to be Hamas so badly that it's laughable. You're doing a good job in this regard when it comes to your complete lack of talent evaluation. That said, even Hamas knows that the front 7 is your defensive linemen and linebackers and not the offensive line. What a joke you are. Maybe if we had 7 offensive linemen blocking, we could invent the non-existent 40 yard out that you always talk about a QB needing to throw well.

Where the **** do you see "front 7" in that post, douchewaffle? And yeah, we BETTER get a ****ing QB because I'm here to tell you that when Cassel hits the field, you can literally FEEL the energy draining out of Arrowhead.