Chiefs My completely uninformed take on the Ravens game that will surely waste your time. - Page 3

Direckshun · 01-06-2011, 11:46 PM

Hi.

So I've watched over a few Ravens games from the past three weeks and a couple of the primetime games from earlier in the year, and I've watched the Chiefs religiously all season. I've scoured the turnover ratios and compared both teams in the trenches. I've checked the weather forecast for Arrowhead for Sunday.

My completely unimportant conclusion is that this game is much closer to being a pure tossup than people make it out to be. Primarily because the scoring total between both teams won't surpass 20 points.

My prediction is that this game will end up with a silly, SportsCenter-defying 10-9 score.

The Ravens have a ton of talent on the offensive side on the ball, but it's been far more common this season that they simply haven't been able to put it together, rather than times where they have.

Rice is the only thing that's consistent on that offense. Everything on that offense is on again, off again. Flacco has had as many iffy games as he had good games this year. He can be had. His receivers, and that includes Derrick Mason, Boldin, and Hoosyermama, struggle to get open and match up pretty well with our secondary in terms of physicality. (Heap is a good player but he's not a world-beater.) Their offensive line falters quite a bit as well, and can get spanked if we put the right line-ups in (my vote is a Dorsey-Smith-Jackson DL for most of the game).

Rice, however, is an absolute beast that you MUST account for. Here's the thing, though -- the Ravens treat Ray Rice a lot like the Chiefs treat Jamaal Charles. They almost never give him the ball as much as he deserves. There have been as many games this season where he walks out with 10 carries as there are when he gets 20. He is a receiving threat out of the backfield, but the Chiefs don't really get smoked with RBs out of the backfield...

The Ravens will be able to move the ball occasionally, but the conditions in this game may make it impossible for them to sustain any kind of drive with our defensive weapons. Especially if the Chiefs can consistently get into the backfield, we have a chance to pitch a near shutout on this offense.

This is all necessary because our offense will be facing almost insurmountable odds against a front seven, especially a DL, that will crush the interior of our OL. But we've spent tons of time talking about the troubles the offense will have, although I think a good recovery by Bowe and a quick incorporation of Kevin Curtis may finally give us a complete-enough offense to put up a few field goals.

In this game, field goals can be enough.

In the end, I think the score will be so low that this game will come down to one or two MAJOR errors by one team to give the other a fatal opportunity take the win.

Both teams have been mistake prone all season. Neither are the epitome of disciplined, mistake-free squad, though both have had their flashes.

So this game, IMO, is basically a tossup. I won't pretend to know which side of the coin will land.

Warrior5 · 01-07-2011, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

...We have a good chance at winning this one, but we MUST have a GREAT gameplan to do so.

...and a defense or ST score.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-07-2011, 09:06 AM

I tend to agree.

The Chiefs have actually been successful shutting down the run against run-heavy teams. They get killed when they start playing balanced teams like the Chargers.

It's the offense that worries me. I think Reed will eat Cassel for lunch and the Ravens are going to stack the line to stop the run.

Chief Henry · 01-07-2011, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I tend to agree.

The Chiefs have actually been successful shutting down the run against run-heavy teams. They get killed when they start playing balanced teams like the Chargers.

It's the offense that worries me. I think Reed will eat Cassel for lunch and the Ravens are going to stack the line to stop the run.

Its been said before, but one of the best weapons against baltimore will be the play action pass. I would love to drop a few screen passes on them with
Charles or McCluster.

**Buehler445** · 01-07-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

To me, the single most important thing the Chiefs must do to win is to make Thomas Jones an afterthought.

If we come out running Jones up the gut on first and second down, the Chiefs will be in a lot of 3rd and long situations, and teh Ravens will piss pound Cassel.

This is unequivocally WRONG.

The first play from scrimmage on offense: TJ up the middle. Flea Flicker back to Cassel to Bowe for 80 yards and a TD.

Then TJ can ride the pine.

patteeu · 01-07-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think they can hang 300 on them even with him back there. The trick is, it needs to start early. They have something they haven't had in years, and that's speed. Use it. Work screens off playaction to Charles and McCluster, get the line out to the second level and put some hits on Lewis to demoralize him the way we all remember from 6 years ago, then add Bowe and Moeaki into the mix and then, finally, start to work in the traditional run game. Establish the pass to open the run, get Cassel into a rhythm early, and don't allow the Baltimore defense to get into a position where they can get comfortable and dictate what the Chiefs do. Start fast on Sunday and stay aggressive. Try and get the bulk of the carries in the second half.

Add in a Haley-trademarked fake punt or double-reverse flea flicker and I'm on board.

Chief Henry · 01-07-2011, 10:33 AM

[QUOTE=keg in kc;7327983]I think they can hang 300 on them even with him back there. The trick is, it needs to start early. They have something they haven't had in years, and that's speed. Use it. Work screens off playaction to Charles and McCluster, get the line out to the second level and put some hits on Lewis to demoralize him the way we all remember from 6 years ago, then add Bowe and Moeaki into the mix and then, finally, start to work in the traditional run game. Establish the pass to open the run, get Cassel into a rhythm early, and don't allow the Baltimore defense to get into a position where they can get comfortable and dictate what the Chiefs do. Start fast on Sunday and stay aggressive. Try and get the bulk of the carries in the second half.

QUOTE]

Absolutley...it has to start early right from our first offensive series.

01-06-2011, 11:46 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	My completely uninformed take on the Ravens game that will surely waste your time. Hi. So I've watched over a few Ravens games from the past three weeks and a couple of the primetime games from earlier in the year, and I've watched the Chiefs religiously all season. I've scoured the turnover ratios and compared both teams in the trenches. I've checked the weather forecast for Arrowhead for Sunday. My completely unimportant conclusion is that this game is much closer to being a pure tossup than people make it out to be. Primarily because the scoring total between both teams won't surpass 20 points. My prediction is that this game will end up with a silly, SportsCenter-defying 10-9 score. The Ravens have a ton of talent on the offensive side on the ball, but it's been far more common this season that they simply haven't been able to put it together, rather than times where they have. Rice is the only thing that's consistent on that offense. Everything on that offense is on again, off again. Flacco has had as many iffy games as he had good games this year. He can be had. His receivers, and that includes Derrick Mason, Boldin, and Hoosyermama, struggle to get open and match up pretty well with our secondary in terms of physicality. (Heap is a good player but he's not a world-beater.) Their offensive line falters quite a bit as well, and can get spanked if we put the right line-ups in (my vote is a Dorsey-Smith-Jackson DL for most of the game). Rice, however, is an absolute beast that you MUST account for. Here's the thing, though -- the Ravens treat Ray Rice a lot like the Chiefs treat Jamaal Charles. They almost never give him the ball as much as he deserves. There have been as many games this season where he walks out with 10 carries as there are when he gets 20. He is a receiving threat out of the backfield, but the Chiefs don't really get smoked with RBs out of the backfield... The Ravens will be able to move the ball occasionally, but the conditions in this game may make it impossible for them to sustain any kind of drive with our defensive weapons. Especially if the Chiefs can consistently get into the backfield, we have a chance to pitch a near shutout on this offense. This is all necessary because our offense will be facing almost insurmountable odds against a front seven, especially a DL, that will crush the interior of our OL. But we've spent tons of time talking about the troubles the offense will have, although I think a good recovery by Bowe and a quick incorporation of Kevin Curtis may finally give us a complete-enough offense to put up a few field goals. In this game, field goals can be enough. In the end, I think the score will be so low that this game will come down to one or two MAJOR errors by one team to give the other a fatal opportunity take the win. Both teams have been mistake prone all season. Neither are the epitome of disciplined, mistake-free squad, though both have had their flashes. So this game, IMO, is basically a tossup. I won't pretend to know which side of the coin will land.
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01-07-2011, 09:06 AM	#32
chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1785503	I tend to agree. The Chiefs have actually been successful shutting down the run against run-heavy teams. They get killed when they start playing balanced teams like the Chargers. It's the offense that worries me. I think Reed will eat Cassel for lunch and the Ravens are going to stack the line to stop the run.
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01-07-2011, 10:33 AM	#36
Chief Henry MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: IOWA Casino cash: $10005088	[QUOTE=keg in kc;7327983]I think they can hang 300 on them even with him back there. The trick is, it needs to start early. They have something they haven't had in years, and that's speed. Use it. Work screens off playaction to Charles and McCluster, get the line out to the second level and put some hits on Lewis to demoralize him the way we all remember from 6 years ago, then add Bowe and Moeaki into the mix and then, finally, start to work in the traditional run game. Establish the pass to open the run, get Cassel into a rhythm early, and don't allow the Baltimore defense to get into a position where they can get comfortable and dictate what the Chiefs do. Start fast on Sunday and stay aggressive. Try and get the bulk of the carries in the second half. QUOTE] Absolutley...it has to start early right from our first offensive series. __________________ Patrick Mahomes...The only QB to ever play in the NFL with at least 5,000 passing yards in a single season and 5,000 passing yards in a single college season.
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