Pats/Chiefs: A few final thoughts

[Amnorix]

So a few thoughts on last night's game.

1. Haley's decision to NOT go for it on 4th down and 1 from the Pats ~40 made no sense to me. Even though he punted and the defense held and the Chiefs got the ball back, it seems to me that you're 4-5 and the season is slipping away. Pats defense isn't reminding anyone of the 2000 Ravens or '86 Giants. Go for it.

2. I liked the decision to do the onsides kick. But then you remember they didn't go for it on 4th and 1. Que?

3. Holding call on . . . . errr, that Pope? Whoever it was that wiped out Edelman. Yeah, ticky-tack.

4. Endless bitching about refs in the game thread -- pathetic. Just pathetic, endless "the refs SCREWED us!!!111 giggity giggity". Just stop it. Make the complaint and move on. EVERY team in the NFL thinks the refs are out to get them. My Dad spent 50 years bitching about refs and umpires in every inning, quarter and period of every sport he ever watched. It was stupid then for him, and it's stupid now for you.

5. Palko doesn't seem like the real deal. He's young yet, so maybe, but...

6. Don't worry about the Chiefs seeming inability to cover Gronk. Nobody can. He's just a beast.

7. Chiefs defense seemed pretty good, overall. I imagine ti will be much better when Berry is back.

8. Pats came out really flat in the first half, but credit to the Chiefs also. They showed spirit for a good while.

9. Running up the score -- I don't mind Belichick going for it on 4th down late near the end zone. Punting isn't an option, and kicking a FG is stupid, but I'd much rather just man up and run it up the middle rather than what we did. At least this proves that BB does it to everybody, even his buddy Pioli. He's consistent, I'll say that. Pats have no right, ever, to bitch about anybody rolling up the score on them though.

10. Alot of very sad posts in the game thread about trying to hurt Patriots players now that the score is out of control. WTF kind of Raiders-esque thinking is that by Chiefs fans? And if any of them is a parent, WTF kind of sportsmanship is that?

11. Nobody will know if the Patriots really have a good team until the playoffs. The rest of it's schedule is a cake-walk. They may really be pretty good, especially once some of the injured bodies come back, or another one-and-done.

12. Patriots' "lowest ranked defense". I'm hearing that alot, on TV and around here. Yes, BY YARDS. But the Pats defense is middle of the pack by points, the only thing that matters. Not that the defense is all that good -- it isn't, but this "NFL's worst defense" is a tad misleading.

[frankotank]

Originally Posted by bwisnasky

Never meant to be a troll.... can't stand the guys that do.... Just pointing out the irony of complaining about a pro team running up the score... that's what they get paid to do. Personally, I had no problems with KC trying to score in the last 2 minutes against Oakland.. and as such, I had no problems with Belichek doing the same last night..... In any case, I love reading CP as you guys are always intelligent, and quite humorous and entertaining. I thank all of you for your wisdom and appreciate your points of view...

hey! WTF? are you now......un-trolling? are you....llort-ing?
ALL of us aren't intelligent, humorous & entertaining......I am....but not all of us....

I didn't have a problem with the cheatriots scoring again either.
and you didn't have a problem with us doing same to the faders because you hate them. doesn't everybody?

[R8RFAN]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Like Parker said, we know what you are up to. 2 1/2 years of Cassel was enough of a sample, we know he is not capable.

Look man, when I Troll I Troll but I am not trolling today, I am not kicking you guys when you are down, as a matter of fact I hate it when this site is like this because trolling is not fun at these times...

I watch the Chiefs play anytime they are not on at the same time the Raiders are so I can say as a fan of the game I am only pointing out what I see and I think you do need a better QB but Cassel is by far the best on this team

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by R8ers

Look man, when I Troll I Troll but I am not trolling today, I am not kicking you guys when you are down, as a matter of fact I hate it when this site is like this because trolling is not fun at these times...

I watch the Chiefs play anytime they are not on at the same time the Raiders are so I can say as a fan of the game I am only pointing out what I see and I think you do need a better QB but Cassel is by far the best on this team

And that's why this team needs a ****ing enema in the worst way...

[R8RFAN]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

And that's why this team needs a ****ing enema in the worst way...

This team has looked entirely different since Weiss left... Is that the problem maybe?

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by R8ers

This team has looked entirely different since Weiss left... Is that the problem maybe?

No more than the decrease of typewriter purchases have led to a sharp increase in teenage pregnancy

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Pope's holding call was the only thing that pissed me off last night officiating wise. He got flagged for completely owning a guy...and it was a late flag at that.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by PGM

Pope's holding call was the only thing that pissed me off last night officiating wise. He got flagged for completely owning a guy...and it was a late flag at that.

It was kind of like, "Ehhh..... better to be safe than sorry, I guess" *throw*

[Backwards Masking]

Originally Posted by Amnorix

So a few thoughts on last night's game.

3. Holding call on . . . . errr, that Pope? Whoever it was that wiped out Edelman. Yeah, ticky-tack.

4. Endless bitching about refs in the game thread -- pathetic. Just pathetic, endless "the refs SCREWED us!!!111 giggity giggity". Just stop it. Make the complaint and move on. EVERY team in the NFL thinks the refs are out to get them. My Dad spent 50 years bitching about refs and umpires in every inning, quarter and period of every sport he ever watched. It was stupid then for him, and it's stupid now for you.

Completely hypocritical to point at a bad call and then tell everyone else they're pathetic for doing the same thing, and to "Just Stop It:.

You were spot on on the 4th and 1 though, Haley is a moron for not going for it, that's a competely stupid coaching move against a low ranked defense (or was before last night). And to think, he's coaching with his job on the line, makes it even worse. Perfect example of why he should get canned.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

You're in Calcutta in an alleyway eating filet mignon and drinking 30 year-old scotch, and we're all street urchins who are very interested in your complaints about the lack of richness of the bernaise sauce.

Look here, chap! The Patriots have underachieved greatly! Why, I've celebrated Red Sox, Celtics, AND Bruins parades since they've last won a Super Bowl all the way back in 2004! That was seven years, you know!

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by R8ers

This team has looked entirely different since Weiss left... Is that the problem maybe?

It really hasnt, its looked pretty much the same. Only difference is, we are playing good teams now. Look how Cassel played against the Ravens in the play off game?

It has nothing to do with Weiss. Any half assed knowledgeable Chiefs fan will point that out. Imo, thats the reason why Weiss left, he said **** Cassel he's terrible. He said he was brought in to fix the qb. When he realized there can be no fixing, he ****ing split.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Look here, chap! The Patriots have underachieved greatly! Why, I've celebrated Red Sox, Celtics, AND Bruins parades since they've last won a Super Bowl all the way back in 2004! That was seven years, you know!

Just a morsel, sir? Perhaps a crumb of bread or a wildcard round win? We're very hungry.

[KCTitus]

I certainly understand not liking to listen to the whining about bad calls. Surely you remember back in the day NE was very similar to KC and one bad/borderline call was a killer. This KC team is no different than those before it, unable to overcome borderline bad calls. That holding call against Pope was horrible and it was right as KC was driving for the potential to go up 10-0.

I realize that it would probably wind up as another FG, but they had the potential. Whether or not that changes the game chemistry will remain a mystery.

What did it for me, however, was on the subsequent drive, NE runs a screen pass to the near side and the OLman did the same thing to KCs' CB that Pope did against the WR/DB -- grasping inside the frame on the shoulders, the DB couldnt get away to make the tackle and he was struggling right in front of a linesman.

I turned the game off after that -- it appears KC got the message and laid down after that. The final score was actually closer than I had anticipated. I figured 40+ for NE and a doughnut for KC.

In this league the 'good' teams get a benefit of the doubt on close calls where the bad teams are not afforded that luxury. It's a mindset similar to the reason why Oakland is typically the team with the most penalties every year -- they're the bad boys of the league.

[GloryDayz]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

I certainly understand not liking to listen to the whining about bad calls. Surely you remember back in the day NE was very similar to KC and one bad/borderline call was a killer. This KC team is no different than those before it, unable to overcome borderline bad calls. That holding call against Pope was horrible and it was right as KC was driving for the potential to go up 10-0.

I realize that it would probably wind up as another FG, but they had the potential. Whether or not that changes the game chemistry will remain a mystery.

What did it for me, however, was on the subsequent drive, NE runs a screen pass to the near side and the OLman did the same thing to KCs' CB that Pope did against the WR/DB -- grasping inside the frame on the shoulders, the DB couldnt get away to make the tackle and he was struggling right in front of a linesman.

I turned the game off after that -- it appears KC got the message and laid down after that. The final score was actually closer than I had anticipated. I figured 40+ for NE and a doughnut for KC.

In this league the 'good' teams get a benefit of the doubt on close calls where the bad teams are not afforded that luxury. It's a mindset similar to the reason why Oakland is typically the team with the most penalties every year -- they're the bad boys of the league.

What bad calls? They we're perfectly scripted calls. Flawlessly executed by the professionals making them...