News TWA Flight 800 - What really happened? - Page 3

DenverChief · 03-25-2016, 06:29 PM

Lets hear the theories. Just watched a documentary on the subject. I have to admit I ws pretty ignorant of the whole situation. Seems like a lot of former NTSB and ATF investigators are upset they way the investigation was handled - that it was more of a FBI strong-arm investigation than it was a cooperative investigation.

Anyway what does CP say?

keg in kc · 03-26-2016, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

I was 19 when this happened and I remember all the news stories just abruptly ended after a few weeks. Weird shit for sure.

The thing I remember is seeing (iirc) multiple witnesses reporting (on camera) a missile immediately after the event, but then nothing at all like that from day two onward in the coverage. It always felt off to me. At least if that's really how the coverage was and it's not just my memory twisting things over time...

LiveSteam · 03-26-2016, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

The thing I remember is seeing (iirc) multiple witnesses reporting (on camera) a missile immediately after the event, but then nothing at all like that from day two onward in the coverage. It always felt off to me. At least if that's really how the coverage was and it's not just my memory twisting things over time...

I remember seeing an interview of a couple people that were on a boat out in the ocean, claiming they seen what looked like a surface to air missile being launched.

**Dave Lane** · 03-26-2016, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf

I just assumed somebody on the plane was perusing CP on their phone and they clicked on a BEP thread. When they then blew their brains out the bullet went through the plane causing a loss of cabin pressure and the plane crashed in the ocean.

This is actually quite funny, and true. She's the only person I've ever put on ignore in 16 years. I'm safe

Chiefshrink · 03-26-2016, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

The thing I remember is seeing (iirc) multiple witnesses reporting (on camera) a missile immediately after the event, but then nothing at all like that from day two onward in the coverage. It always felt off to me. At least if that's really how the coverage was and it's not just my memory twisting things over time...

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam

I remember seeing an interview of a couple people that were on a boat out in the ocean, claiming they seen what looked like a surface to air missile being launched.

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I still believe it was missiles that brought it down.

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

I was 19 when this happened and I remember all the news stories just abruptly ended after a few weeks. Weird shit for sure.

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Originally Posted by srvy

My Father was a TWA maintenance inspector at the KC overhaul base. He was retired when this happened but I remember him saying it hat to be a bomb on board or it was hit by something. He said that airplanes just don't disintegrate in midair without something blowing it apart. I will say that TWA employees were fiercely loyal and prideful. They took it personally when something happened with one their airplanes. I remember it being a story for a couple weeks then just disappearing. But the nature of investigations are like that, we usually dont get the final report for years after the event. By then flight 800 is mushed together with other air disasters.

Yep !

RobBlake · 03-26-2016, 09:32 PM

hate to be a conspiracy theorist but shit like this smells of intentional scattered incomplete information.. gov't is known for that.

Al Bundy · 03-26-2016, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam

I remember seeing an interview of a couple people that were on a boat out in the ocean, claiming they seen what looked like a surface to air missile being launched.

I remember that true. I have always thought it was brought down by a missile.

Squalor2 · 03-26-2016, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

There is a documentary on Amazon about it. I wanted to post that but I can't find it on YouTube. They interviewed several investigators who participated in the investigation. Just sue arch for twa flight 800 if you have Amazon tv.

was it a cooking show?

**Dave Lane** · 03-26-2016, 11:11 PM

Conclusions

The NTSB investigation ended with the adoption of its final report on August 23, 2000. In it the Board determined that the probable cause of the TWA 800 accident was

[An] explosion of the center wing fuel tank (CWT), resulting from ignition of the flammable fuel/air mixture in the tank. The source of ignition energy for the explosion could not be determined with certainty, but, of the sources evaluated by the investigation, the most likely was a short circuit outside of the CWT that allowed excessive voltage to enter it through electrical wiring associated with the fuel quantity indication system.

In addition to the probable cause, the NTSB found the following contributing factors to the accident

The design and certification concept that fuel tank explosions could be prevented solely by precluding all ignition sources.
The certification of the Boeing 747 with heat sources located beneath the CWT with no means to reduce the heat transferred into the CWT or to render the fuel tank vapor non-combustible.

Fish · 03-27-2016, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

I still believe it was missiles that brought it down.

Nope. Gravity.

eDave · 03-27-2016, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy

My Father was a TWA maintenance inspector at the KC overhaul base. He was retired when this happened but I remember him saying it hat to be a bomb on board or it was hit by something. He said that airplanes just don't disintegrate in midair without something blowing it apart. I will say that TWA employees were fiercely loyal and prideful. They took it personally when something happened with one their airplanes. I remember it being a story for a couple weeks then just disappearing. But the nature of investigations are like that, we usually dont get the final report for years after the event. By then flight 800 is mushed together with other air disasters.

My dad was a TWA Maintenance Inspector as well. They most likely worked together.

**srvy** · 03-27-2016, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by eDave

My dad was a TWA Maintenance Inspector as well. They most likely worked together.

Most likely so. Those were the days free airline travel. Sadly I didn't take advantage like my brother did.

eDave · 03-27-2016, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy

Most likely so. Those were the days free airline travel. Sadly I didn't take advantage like my brother did.

We did a lot. But I was so glad when I could afford to buy my own ticket. Can't tell you how many hours we spent trying to fly somewhere. /shudder

**srvy** · 03-27-2016, 03:08 PM

Yes the standby was brutal at times. At the time my dad was like in top 5 TWA wide in seniority so that helped. Dad mad us wear a suit and tie to fly lol since we were representing the airline.

eDave · 03-27-2016, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy

Yes the standby was brutal at times. At the time my dad was like in top 5 TWA wide in seniority so that helped. Dad mad us wear a suit and tie to fly lol since we were representing the airline.

Yea that was one of the rules. At least a tie. My dad was pretty high too I think. And a traveling family of four helped, ironically.

**srvy** · 03-27-2016, 03:26 PM

Dad retired in 1982 then pretty much took another job as head of the Sav a Connie restoration. He did all the paper work getting FAA air worthiness approval for commercial flight for the only flying Constellation at the time left. He did the inspections and wrote the job procedures for routine maintenance on it. Up till his Death in 2006 he pretty much lived at the KC Airline History Museum. He is one of these dudes below.
http://www.amtausa.com/honor2.html

03-25-2016, 06:29 PM
DenverChief MVP Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rocky Ford Casino cash: $5629867	TWA Flight 800 - What really happened? Lets hear the theories. Just watched a documentary on the subject. I have to admit I ws pretty ignorant of the whole situation. Seems like a lot of former NTSB and ATF investigators are upset they way the investigation was handled - that it was more of a FBI strong-arm investigation than it was a cooperative investigation. Anyway what does CP say?
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03-26-2016, 09:32 PM	#35
RobBlake Banned Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $10011127	hate to be a conspiracy theorist but shit like this smells of intentional scattered incomplete information.. gov't is known for that.
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03-26-2016, 11:11 PM	#38
Dave Lane Space Cadet and Aczabel Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kanab, UT, USA Casino cash: $9333275 VARSITY	Conclusions The NTSB investigation ended with the adoption of its final report on August 23, 2000. In it the Board determined that the probable cause of the TWA 800 accident was [An] explosion of the center wing fuel tank (CWT), resulting from ignition of the flammable fuel/air mixture in the tank. The source of ignition energy for the explosion could not be determined with certainty, but, of the sources evaluated by the investigation, the most likely was a short circuit outside of the CWT that allowed excessive voltage to enter it through electrical wiring associated with the fuel quantity indication system. In addition to the probable cause, the NTSB found the following contributing factors to the accident The design and certification concept that fuel tank explosions could be prevented solely by precluding all ignition sources. The certification of the Boeing 747 with heat sources located beneath the CWT with no means to reduce the heat transferred into the CWT or to render the fuel tank vapor non-combustible. __________________ Thanks, Trump for the civics lesson. We are learning so much about RICO, espionage, sedition, impeachment, the 25th Amendment, order of succession, nepotism, separation of powers, 1st Amendment, obstruction of justice, the emoluments clause, conflicts of interest, collusion, sanctions, oligarchs, money laundering and so much more.
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03-27-2016, 03:08 PM	#43
srvy Fight, build, win! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: KC Casino cash: $1341250	Yes the standby was brutal at times. At the time my dad was like in top 5 TWA wide in seniority so that helped. Dad mad us wear a suit and tie to fly lol since we were representing the airline. __________________ "The victim stance is a powerful one. The victim is always morally right, neither responsible nor accountable, and forever entitled to sympathy."
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03-27-2016, 03:26 PM	#45
srvy Fight, build, win! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: KC Casino cash: $1341250	Dad retired in 1982 then pretty much took another job as head of the Sav a Connie restoration. He did all the paper work getting FAA air worthiness approval for commercial flight for the only flying Constellation at the time left. He did the inspections and wrote the job procedures for routine maintenance on it. Up till his Death in 2006 he pretty much lived at the KC Airline History Museum. He is one of these dudes below. http://www.amtausa.com/honor2.html
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