Give me your true dark horse pick at 31

[staylor26]

Mine is Bryan Bresee.

- a lot of upside for an end of the 1st round pick

- only 21 years old (Veach loves younger prospects)

- flexibility with Chris Jones

- injury concerns, but these are the kinds of swings you have to take if you want a blue chipper

[Tribal Warfare]

Darnell Washington

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

In the 1st?

Ignoring the fact that we drafted 3 CBs last year. dude is like 160 soaking wet. No ****ing thanks.

Forbes isn't coming here but he'll go higher than people think because he has ball skills.

He has to be in a certain scheme and all but but he has 13 ints and honestly Gonzalez, Porter, Witherspoon don't have that combined. Someone is gonna dig Forbes because he makes plays on the ball.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Forbes isn't coming here but he'll go higher than people think because he has ball skills.

He has to be in a certain scheme and all but but he has 13 ints and honestly Gonzalez, Porter, Witherspoon don't have that combined. Someone is gonna dig Forbes because he makes plays on the ball.

Yeah but that also makes him more of a zone CB and teams don't tend to draft zone corners terribly high.

[Mecca]

I'll go Jordan Addison since he seems to be the afterthought receiver.

[Jamie]

Originally Posted by CupidStunt

The discourse on DT is wild. We are just awful at that position outside of Jones. It should be the consensus top need.

On paper maybe, but you have to take into account that Omenihu and Danna are arguably better rushing from the interior. We need another run stuffer for sure, but in the first round I'd rather have a guy who can play on the edge.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I'll go Jordan Addison since he seems to be the afterthought receiver.

I dont consider him an after thought i just assume hes gone before 31.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

I dont consider him an after thought i just assume hes gone before 31.

Njigba and Flowers are the 2 I think are locks to be gone, I think any of the rest could be in play.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Njigba and Flowers are the 2 I think are locks to be gone, I think any of the rest could be in play.

I think all three could be justified as first round picks.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Just my opinion on a few videos I have watched on him. What do you see Crow?

What do I got? A whole bunch of people are paralyzed by overanalysis. LOL. That's my first opinion.

What I really have is a guy that has an excellent release. That's step one of running a good route. He's got great stop-start quickness. He has great long speed. He's got an outstanding stick and go on his posts and slants. He has a great double move.He beat Brents hard twice on it. He's shown to run a good curl/comeback. He high points the football when that option is available. Problem is, Duggan sucks total dick and throws the ball behind him alot so he ends up having to adjust in ways that don't really let you "pluck it" and more have to body catch like I've seen him knocked for. It's bullshit. He catches the ball with his hands when the throw is where it should be. I'd say he does a really great job of adjusting to the never-ending mystery of where the ball might end up from Duggan. He makes YAC. He's got a great vertical too and he has a good frame.

I dunno, sure he's got some drops at times but I'm going to give Duggan some to blame on a few. He doesn't muscle guys around alot with the size he does have but he also isn't the thickest guy to just do that. He's a bit thinner on his frame than people think because he's 203 pounds or whatever. He's not 6'0" 225 or some shit here.

Anyhow, yeah, I think people are really trying to nitpick the **** out of this kid. He's going to grow in the pros as much as anyone and he's really going to benefit from a more accurate QB. I'd love to have him in KC.

[Nightfyre]

I dunno man. Have you watched the Oklahoma state game? I feel like that game is a microcosm of the good and the bad on him, minus the press coverage knock. In the game, He does well on short inbreaking routes and uses the threat of the double move to come wide open on those plays. But then he fails to elevate a couple of times to catch balls against weak competition. He makes a critical play to get them into OT then drops a game winner hitting him in the numbers iirc.
He mushes through intermediate routes I think because he takes several steps to change direction. I feel like he telegraphs plays with his body language run v pass v designed play where he is not getting the ball.

In the K state game, he definitely abused Brents with the release step and demonstrated his acceleration. In the Kansas game, he breaks big plays exclusively with that spin move that I don't think NFL DBs will be fooled by. Those were my three games I watched him on and my off the top of my head takeaways.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

I dunno man. Have you watched the Oklahoma state game? I feel like that game is a microcosm of the good and the bad on him, minus the press coverage knock. In the game, He does well on short inbreaking routes and uses the threat of the double move to come wide open on those plays. But then he fails to elevate a couple of times to catch balls against weak competition. He makes a critical play to get them into OT then drops a game winner hitting him in the numbers iirc.
He mushes through intermediate routes I think because he takes several steps to change direction. I feel like he telegraphs plays with his body language run v pass v designed play where he is not getting the ball.

In the K state game, he definitely abused Brents with the release step and demonstrated his acceleration. In the Kansas game, he breaks big plays exclusively with that spin move that I don't think NFL DBs will be fooled by. Those were my three games I watched him on and my off the top of my head takeaways.

Yeah, I've watched it. None of these kids are perfect though. There is a significant knock on any of them. Flowers drops balls far more than Johnston. Hyatt doesn't run a great route tree. Addison lacks the deep speed you'd want for his size. Right? It goes on and on the further you go. What's the moral of the story? They all have warts. They all will learn in the pros. They will all gain valuable experience that some are lacking more than others (Hyatt vs Flowers for example). You're going to see these guys grow and get coached up. Who has a high ceiling? I'd say Johnston and Hyatt are much higher-ceiling guys than Flowers, Addison, or JSN. So, you gotta decide what you can live with and where you think guys will grow. I'd take the shot on Johnston over every other WR in this class outside of JSN (who is probably going top 12). That's my opinion. I think he has the most tools and a floor that's acceptable.

I'm not getting too hung up on overanalyzing the flaws. Johnston doesn't have an overwhelming flaw that's a deal breaker for me.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Yeah, I've watched it. None of these kids are perfect though. There is a significant knock on any of them. Flowers drops balls far more than Johnston. Hyatt doesn't run a great route tree. Addison lacks the deep speed you'd want for his size. Right? It goes on and on the further you go. What's the moral of the story? They all have warts. They all will learn in the pros. They will all gain valuable experience that some are lacking more than others (Hyatt vs Flowers for example). You're going to see these guys grow and get coached up. Who has a high ceiling? I'd say Johnston and Hyatt are much higher-ceiling guys than Flowers, Addison, or JSN. So, you gotta decide what you can live with and where you think guys will grow. I'd take the shot on Johnston over every other WR in this class outside of JSN (who is probably going top 12). That's my opinion. I think he has the most tools and a floor that's acceptable.

I'm not getting too hung up on overanalyzing the flaws. Johnston doesn't have an overwhelming flaw that's a deal breaker for me.

The only guys I think I like in the 1st are JSN for his floor and Johnston for his ceiling.