AV calcs are out: is Mitchell Schwartz best FA signing in NFL history?

[Prison Bitch]

ProFootballReference.com has an “AV” value assigned to every player in history. Scale 0-26, with the highest ever being Ladanian Tomlinson 2006. It was matched this year. The top 10:

Approximate Value
1. Lamar Jackson • BAL 26
2. Stephon Gilmore • NWE 21
Marcus Peters • 2TM 21
4. Minkah Fitzpatrick • 2TM 20
5. Ronnie Stanley • BAL 19
Tre'Davious White • BUF 19
7. Cameron Heyward • PIT 18
Michael Thomas • NOR 18
9. Dont'a Hightower • NWE 17
Patrick Mahomes • KAN 17
Ryan Ramczyk • NOR 17
10 (tie) Mitchell Schwartz * KAN 16

Yes our old friend Peters is 2 (tie). Sir Patrick led the league last year at 22. And if he played 16 games he’d be AV 19. But let’s talk Schwartz.



Mitch The Bitch signed a 5/$33m FA contract after four years with the Cleveland Clowns. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-c...cash-earnings/


His AV by year, Chiefs in bold:
7
5
6
6
10
14
20!
16


Last year he was the #2 most valuable player in AV behind Sir Pat. I don’t know how to evaluate OL but if this is close to accurate he’s the best FA signing ever and an unsung hero of the offense and keeping Sir Pat healthy.

[smithandrew051]

He’s a Ring of Honor player and the best RT in franchise history. Fight me.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

He’s a Ring of Honor player and the best RT in franchise history. Fight me.

Tait has to be up there as well. Lutz, Baldinger, and even Eric Fisher were all really good at RT.

[ThaVirus]

I dispute any metric that would rank Lamar Jackson's 2019 season above 2004 and 2013 Peyton, 2007 and 2011 Tom Brady, 2011 Aaron Rodgers, 1994 Dan Marino or 2018 Patrick Mahomes.

Shit, is Lamar's season even any better than Cam Newton's 2015 MVP season?

[chiefzilla1501]

Wow, that's a pretty big statement. Either way we got a steal and one hell of a player so I'll take it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Tait has to be up there as well. Lutz, Baldinger, and even Eric Fisher were all really good at RT.

Fisher played RT for a single year, had a bum shoulder for most of it and a really poor base to boot.

Fisher was TERRIBLE as a rookie. That's not to say he didn't flash potential (I remained a fan of his), but he was anything but 'really good' at right tackle. He was quite bad.

[xztop123]

if jackson is a 26 which is the highest how is tomlinson better ?

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Fisher played RT for a single year, had a bum shoulder for most of it and a really poor base to boot.

Fisher was TERRIBLE as a rookie. That's not to say he didn't flash potential (I remained a fan of his), but he was anything but 'really good' at right tackle. He was quite bad.

I remembered him playing RT, but I must have misremembered him playing well.

[St. Patty's Fire]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I dispute any metric that would rank Lamar Jackson's 2019 season above 2004 and 2013 Peyton, 2007 and 2011 Tom Brady, 2011 Aaron Rodgers, 1994 Dan Marino or 2018 Patrick Mahomes.

Shit, is Lamar's season even any better than Cam Newton's 2015 MVP season?

Lamar had about twice as many rushing yards as Cam, and Lamar was a much more efficient passer, although Lamar was about as coddled as any QB could be in terms of passing. 26th in the league in pass attempts. Had about as many as 41 year old man Drew Brees did in 4 more games.

Cam’s supporting cast wasn’t nearly as good on offense as Lamar’s is, not to mention the overall play calling for the Ravens is about as good as it gets.

[suzzer99]

Does value take how much they're paid into consideration?

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I dispute any metric that would rank Lamar Jackson's 2019 season above 2004 and 2013 Peyton, 2007 and 2011 Tom Brady, 2011 Aaron Rodgers, 1994 Dan Marino or 2018 Patrick Mahomes.

Shit, is Lamar's season even any better than Cam Newton's 2015 MVP season?

Lamar in 15 games just threw 3,100 yds 36-6 TD-INT 113 rating with 1200 yards rushing. His team went 14-2. How can that not be one of (if not the) most productive years in history?

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Does value take how much they're paid into consideration?

No.

[T-post Tom]

So Trezelle Jenkins didn't make the list?

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire

Lamar had about twice as many rushing yards as Cam, and Lamar was a much more efficient passer, although Lamar was about as coddled as any QB could be in terms of passing. 26th in the league in pass attempts. Had about as many as 41 year old man Drew Brees did in 4 more games.

Cam’s supporting cast wasn’t nearly as good on offense as Lamar’s is, not to mention the overall play calling for the Ravens is about as good as it gets.

.... So you agree?

Lamar was definitely the more efficient passer and he rushed for more yards, but Cam passed for more yards and ran for more TDs. The supporting cast of each can't be overstated either. That 2015 Carolina offense was basically Cam playing Superman and a bunch of warm bodies.

I'm not saying Lamar's season season wasn't better, but if it was it wasn't by much.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Lamar in 15 games just threw 3,100 yds 36-6 TD-INT 113 rating with 1200 yards rushing. His team went 14-2. How can that not be one of (if not the) most productive years in history?

I didn't say it wasn't. I'm saying it wasn't better than those other stellar seasons put up by legendary QBs in the past.

Even if you wanted to make the argument that it was better, you can't say it was that much better. I mean, Lamar's 2019 is a 26 and Peyton Manning never had a season above 21?

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

.... So you agree?

Lamar was definitely the more efficient passer and he rushed for more yards, but Cam passed for more yards and ran for more TDs. The supporting cast of each can't be overstated either. That 2015 Carolina offense was basically Cam playing Superman and a bunch of warm bodies.

I'm not saying Lamar's season season wasn't better, but if it was it wasn't by much.

Cam’s 2015 was worth 20 AV.