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Old 01-08-2020, 10:19 PM   #1
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I dispute any metric that would rank Lamar Jackson's 2019 season above 2004 and 2013 Peyton, 2007 and 2011 Tom Brady, 2011 Aaron Rodgers, 1994 Dan Marino or 2018 Patrick Mahomes.

Shit, is Lamar's season even any better than Cam Newton's 2015 MVP season?
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Old 01-08-2020, 11:18 PM   #2
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I dispute any metric that would rank Lamar Jackson's 2019 season above 2004 and 2013 Peyton, 2007 and 2011 Tom Brady, 2011 Aaron Rodgers, 1994 Dan Marino or 2018 Patrick Mahomes.

Shit, is Lamar's season even any better than Cam Newton's 2015 MVP season?
Lamar had about twice as many rushing yards as Cam, and Lamar was a much more efficient passer, although Lamar was about as coddled as any QB could be in terms of passing. 26th in the league in pass attempts. Had about as many as 41 year old man Drew Brees did in 4 more games.

Cam’s supporting cast wasn’t nearly as good on offense as Lamar’s is, not to mention the overall play calling for the Ravens is about as good as it gets.
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Old 01-09-2020, 07:39 AM   #3
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Lamar had about twice as many rushing yards as Cam, and Lamar was a much more efficient passer, although Lamar was about as coddled as any QB could be in terms of passing. 26th in the league in pass attempts. Had about as many as 41 year old man Drew Brees did in 4 more games.

Cam’s supporting cast wasn’t nearly as good on offense as Lamar’s is, not to mention the overall play calling for the Ravens is about as good as it gets.
.... So you agree?

Lamar was definitely the more efficient passer and he rushed for more yards, but Cam passed for more yards and ran for more TDs. The supporting cast of each can't be overstated either. That 2015 Carolina offense was basically Cam playing Superman and a bunch of warm bodies.

I'm not saying Lamar's season season wasn't better, but if it was it wasn't by much.
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Old 01-09-2020, 07:45 AM   #4
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.... So you agree?

Lamar was definitely the more efficient passer and he rushed for more yards, but Cam passed for more yards and ran for more TDs. The supporting cast of each can't be overstated either. That 2015 Carolina offense was basically Cam playing Superman and a bunch of warm bodies.

I'm not saying Lamar's season season wasn't better, but if it was it wasn't by much.
Cam’s 2015 was worth 20 AV.
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Cam’s 2015 was worth 20 AV.
This metric sucks
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I doubt they care what you think.
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I doubt they care what you think.
Doesn't matter if they do because I'm talking to you, not them.

You could have easily posted a thread about Schwartz being a great FA signing without trying to prop it up with this shitty metric. Do better, Bitch.
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It isn't very good.

It had a tendency to conflate quantity w/ quality. If you take a bunch of snaps, approximate value will love you for it. It's usually most obvious w/ DBs and OL.

Austin Reiter is a pretty good example. His AV last year was 3; this year it was 8. Reiter, in his time on the field, was a better player last year than he was this year and by quite a bit. But last year he played far fewer snaps.

So in terms of contributions to the team, it's fair to say he provided 'more' to the Chiefs this season just because he took so many more snaps. But in a vacuum, you'd look at his 8 this year vs. his 3 last year and think "man, he must have been twice as good" and that's just not accurate. I don't feel like digging, but in the past I've noticed it being even more jarring for CBs. For instance, Scandrick being 'worth' 2 AV last year and Ward being worth 1 - strictly a function of Scandrick getting more snaps and in no way representative of the quality of those snaps.

Long way of saying that it isn't a very good metric at all for determining quality of performance. Sometimes guys play a lot because they have to and it's a really bad way of comparing guys across teams because of that. You can play a lot for a shitty team and earn yourself a pretty high AV but if you play in a limited role on a better team and are a better player than said guy on the shitty team, it won't be reflected in AV.

It has some utility, but it's pretty limited.
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