Chiefs The Butterfly Effect- Chiefs Edition

Brooklyn · 01-13-2023, 06:19 AM

Okay, simple rules to this bud week thought exercise. Change any one single play in a game to affect a better/different outcome for the Chiefs. Curious how many plays it would take to get a theoretical dynasty, or just a view to how close to dominant we’ve been. I’ll start:

1. Dee Ford lines up onsides ‘8 AFCCG
2. Eric Fisher’s Achilles doesn’t tear ‘20 AFCCG
3. Tyreek Hill makes the end zone at half ‘21 AFCCG

Not hard to argue the Chiefs are going for SB win #5 in a row if those 3 plays just ended a little different. Of course the butterfly effect could also have negative impact as a result but let’s assume not to change too much other history and keep it light and fun.

Some more plays to think about,

- no end zone PI call vs the Raiders in their walk off win
- Kelce doesn’t fumble in Q4 vs the bengals this year

What else ya got?

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**Lzen** · 01-13-2023, 06:46 AM

No Joe Montana concussion vs bills.

Or more recently, no BS a Chris Jones unsportsmanlike penalty for trash talking against Matt Ryan

Kman34 · 01-13-2023, 06:49 AM

Chris Jones doesn’t say bad words to Ryan and we beat the Colts.. We are 15-2 and no doubt the #1 seed..

Kman34 · 01-13-2023, 06:51 AM

Luck doesn’t pickup the running backs fumble and score and we win against the Colts playoff game.

smithandrew051 · 01-13-2023, 06:53 AM

Mahomes hits Hardman for the TD to win it at the end of regulation instead of settling for a field goal to send it to OT last year in the AFCCG.

ChiefEd · 01-13-2023, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Kman34

Chris Jones doesn’t say bad words to Ryan and we beat the Colts.. We are 15-2 and no doubt the #1 seed..

This. Which would mean we’re all not scurrying to book tickets Atlanta now…

njchiefs · 01-13-2023, 07:01 AM

This thread makes me anxious.

Pasta Little Brioni · 01-13-2023, 07:29 AM

On the flip side...Jones doesn't bat down a Jimmy G pass. We're called for a late hit on the sideline and SF runs out clock.

Buffalo doesn't screw the pooch at the end of regulation.

Henne doesn't run 20 yards to set up 4th and inches

Works both ways...

Balto · 01-13-2023, 07:35 AM

Scott Pioli’s Dad wears a condom.

Balto · 01-13-2023, 07:37 AM

Brodie Croyle’s Mom makes him drink more milk.

ThaVirus · 01-13-2023, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother

On the flip side...Jones doesn't bat down a Jimmy G pass. We're called for a late hit on the sideline and SF runs out clock.

Buffalo doesn't screw the pooch at the end of regulation.

Henne doesn't run 20 yards to set up 4th and inches

Works both ways...

100% right, which is why I would actually NOT change a single thing prior to our 2019 Super Bowl win. That one took a lot of luck. You go tinkering around with some changes and we may have 0 SB wins at the moment.

I also wouldn't change a single thing before the Mahomes era. You go back and start giving Alex Smith playoff wins and suddenly there's a chance that we don't even trade up for Mahomes. **** that timeline.

Why Not? · 01-13-2023, 07:45 AM

The "problem" with exercises like these, both in thinking about sports or life in general, is that people tend to post script to get the result they wanted. For instance, to use one of your examples, what you are or at least could be alluding to is that if Eric Fisher doesn't tear his tendon, the Chiefs win the SB that year. The reality is, we have no way to know if that was true or not. We know that a healthy Fisher would've given us a better chance, but that's all we really know.

So basically the one thing we pretty much know for sure is that if Dee Ford isn't offsides, we win that AFCCG. However, contrary to popular (around these parts, anyway) theory, there is no guarantee that we beat the Rams.

And, just to cover your top 3 examples, Tyreek wasn't particularly close to scoring even though the play started close to the end zone. Playing with that one is akin to "Gordon should've been sent home " in '14. Nothing good came or would've come out of those scenarios.

**notorious** · 01-13-2023, 07:49 AM

In a game of inches, be glad we are all packing 12.

Why Not? · 01-13-2023, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by notorious

In a game of inches, be glad we are all packing 12.

Molitoth · 01-13-2023, 07:53 AM

Most def: Dee Ford lines up onsides ‘8 AFCCG
The Chiefs would have won the Super Bowl that year.

That said, not sure how hungry they would have been in 2019.

01-13-2023, 06:19 AM
Brooklyn Starter Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $1999730	The Butterfly Effect- Chiefs Edition Okay, simple rules to this bud week thought exercise. Change any one single play in a game to affect a better/different outcome for the Chiefs. Curious how many plays it would take to get a theoretical dynasty, or just a view to how close to dominant we’ve been. I’ll start: 1. Dee Ford lines up onsides ‘8 AFCCG 2. Eric Fisher’s Achilles doesn’t tear ‘20 AFCCG 3. Tyreek Hill makes the end zone at half ‘21 AFCCG Not hard to argue the Chiefs are going for SB win #5 in a row if those 3 plays just ended a little different. Of course the butterfly effect could also have negative impact as a result but let’s assume not to change too much other history and keep it light and fun. Some more plays to think about, - no end zone PI call vs the Raiders in their walk off win - Kelce doesn’t fumble in Q4 vs the bengals this year What else ya got? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Why Not? In Search of a Life Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Kansas Casino cash: $-681006	The "problem" with exercises like these, both in thinking about sports or life in general, is that people tend to post script to get the result they wanted. For instance, to use one of your examples, what you are or at least could be alluding to is that if Eric Fisher doesn't tear his tendon, the Chiefs win the SB that year. The reality is, we have no way to know if that was true or not. We know that a healthy Fisher would've given us a better chance, but that's all we really know. So basically the one thing we pretty much know for sure is that if Dee Ford isn't offsides, we win that AFCCG. However, contrary to popular (around these parts, anyway) theory, there is no guarantee that we beat the Rams. And, just to cover your top 3 examples, Tyreek wasn't particularly close to scoring even though the play started close to the end zone. Playing with that one is akin to "Gordon should've been sent home " in '14. Nothing good came or would've come out of those scenarios.
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