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Old 02-28-2023, 11:19 AM   Topic Starter
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Old 02-28-2023, 11:21 AM   #2
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So we're past "Veteran backup to sit in the film studies with PM" stage, right?

I mean, can't we use that Henne slot to develop a young guy who could potentially build some trade value or something? Or is just dirt cheap?

Patrick is 27 years old next season with 6 seasons in the league, 5 as a starter and nearly 100 games played when you include the playoffs. He doesn't need a babysitter and probably gets little/no benefit from one at this point.

If that's the case (and I hope it is), I'd hope Giirardi is a guy we could use to actually develop a young backup. Then again, who's gonna be better at that sort of thing than Nagy and/or Reid at this point?
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So we're past "Veteran backup to sit in the film studies with PM" stage, right?

I mean, can't we use that Henne slot to develop a young guy who could potentially build some trade value or something? Or is just dirt cheap?

Patrick is 27 years old next season with 6 seasons in the league, 5 as a starter and nearly 100 games played when you include the playoffs. He doesn't need a babysitter and probably gets little/no benefit from one at this point.

If that's the case (and I hope it is), I'd hope Giirardi is a guy we could use to actually develop a young backup. Then again, who's gonna be better at that sort of thing than Nagy and/or Reid at this point?
Henne came up big time in 2 Playoff games while Patrick was injured. Matt Moore came up big in 2.5 regular season games while Patrick was injured. Mahomes is not invincible, so a veteran backup makes sense. You need someone that can step in and won’t crap their pants. Younger backup QB’s are more likely to mess up in these situations.
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So we're past "Veteran backup to sit in the film studies with PM" stage, right?

I mean, can't we use that Henne slot to develop a young guy who could potentially build some trade value or something? Or is just dirt cheap?

Patrick is 27 years old next season with 6 seasons in the league, 5 as a starter and nearly 100 games played when you include the playoffs. He doesn't need a babysitter and probably gets little/no benefit from one at this point.

If that's the case (and I hope it is), I'd hope Giirardi is a guy we could use to actually develop a young backup. Then again, who's gonna be better at that sort of thing than Nagy and/or Reid at this point?
I've been waiting for this moment for years. Remember back in the day when Reid was developing and flipping QB's like Kevin Kolb? Hopefully someday we can get some schmucks to give up a pick for Shane Buechelle.
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So we're past "Veteran backup to sit in the film studies with PM" stage, right?

I mean, can't we use that Henne slot to develop a young guy who could potentially build some trade value or something? Or is just dirt cheap?

Patrick is 27 years old next season with 6 seasons in the league, 5 as a starter and nearly 100 games played when you include the playoffs. He doesn't need a babysitter and probably gets little/no benefit from one at this point.

If that's the case (and I hope it is), I'd hope Giirardi is a guy we could use to actually develop a young backup. Then again, who's gonna be better at that sort of thing than Nagy and/or Reid at this point?
I actually would have loved an outside guy to give bring in new ideas. A big part of Reid’s revival in kc was forcing his coaches to throw every idea at the wall. For example guys from college have seen things a lot of nfl guys may have missed.

However I recognize that EB getting stuck created a logjam and it’s good to see guys unstick. Would love to keep Lewis but feel like a move to Washington is really good career wise. And with this move would love to see Dan Williams fill in for girardi.
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I actually would have loved an outside guy to give bring in new ideas. A big part of Reid’s revival in kc was forcing his coaches to throw every idea at the wall. For example guys from college have seen things a lot of nfl guys may have missed.

However I recognize that EB getting stuck created a logjam and it’s good to see guys unstick. Would love to keep Lewis but feel like a move to Washington is really good career wise. And with this move would love to see Dan Williams fill in for girardi.
Have we heard anything about Lewis since the news that Washington was interested in him? He's still under contract with us...so he does have a chance to stay.
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Have we heard anything about Lewis since the news that Washington was interested in him? He's still under contract with us...so he does have a chance to stay.
I wouldn’t mind if he stayed. But realistically I don’t think there’s much room for him to grow here since Nagy should be in place for a while. Unless they name him a senior assistant and/or make him a run or pass game coordinator and even still that’s not gonna be as attractive as a role with Washington. But let’s hope he stays.
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So we're past "Veteran backup to sit in the film studies with PM" stage, right?

I mean, can't we use that Henne slot to develop a young guy who could potentially build some trade value or something? Or is just dirt cheap?

Patrick is 27 years old next season with 6 seasons in the league, 5 as a starter and nearly 100 games played when you include the playoffs. He doesn't need a babysitter and probably gets little/no benefit from one at this point.

If that's the case (and I hope it is), I'd hope Giirardi is a guy we could use to actually develop a young backup. Then again, who's gonna be better at that sort of thing than Nagy and/or Reid at this point?
I don't think it's about babysitting anymore. It's about finding a guy who can truly hold the fort down. I was a fan of keeping Henne on the roster and I think it'd be good to bring in another veteran. Doesn't mean they can't develop someone, but we're a championship team and QB is the most important position.

Literally all 3 Super Bowls wouldn't have happened without the backup. Henne made huge drives both this year and in 2020 in the playoffs. And if Matt Moore doesn't beat a good Vikings team in 2019 we don't get a bye and have to go to New England and then maybe Baltimore. Now they could develop a young guy to that level, but whoever the backup is they need to be sure about him because it could tank a championship team if the backup QB isn't ready.
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I don't think it's about babysitting anymore. It's about finding a guy who can truly hold the fort down. I was a fan of keeping Henne on the roster and I think it'd be good to bring in another veteran. Doesn't mean they can't develop someone, but we're a championship team and QB is the most important position.

Literally all 3 Super Bowls wouldn't have happened without the backup. Henne made huge drives both this year and in 2020 in the playoffs. And if Matt Moore doesn't beat a good Vikings team in 2019 we don't get a bye and have to go to New England and then maybe Baltimore. Now they could develop a young guy to that level, but whoever the backup is they need to be sure about him because it could tank a championship team if the backup QB isn't ready.

Henne and Moore were both clutch as nails, don’t get me wrong, but it’s time to put the timeless cliche, “trust the process” to the test.

We’ve done exactly that for just about every position at least once under Andy except for QB. Alex had Chase and even Foles.

Invest a little bit of draft capital at QB, coach them up, and trust that your scouting/coaching did its job
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I don't think it's about babysitting anymore. It's about finding a guy who can truly hold the fort down. I was a fan of keeping Henne on the roster and I think it'd be good to bring in another veteran. Doesn't mean they can't develop someone, but we're a championship team and QB is the most important position.

Literally all 3 Super Bowls wouldn't have happened without the backup. Henne made huge drives both this year and in 2020 in the playoffs. And if Matt Moore doesn't beat a good Vikings team in 2019 we don't get a bye and have to go to New England and then maybe Baltimore. Now they could develop a young guy to that level, but whoever the backup is they need to be sure about him because it could tank a championship team if the backup QB isn't ready.
But if Moore can literally walk off a High School field and complete some passes in this system, doesn't that suggest that maybe we're overstating the barrier to entry here?

If Matt Moore can do it, why can't Steve Buechele?

Or, more to my liking, Jaren Hall?
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But if Moore can literally walk off a High School field and complete some passes in this system, doesn't that suggest that maybe we're overstating the barrier to entry here?

If Matt Moore can do it, why can't Steve Buechele?

Or, more to my liking, Jaren Hall?
Well for starters Steve is 61 years old now.
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Well for starters Steve is 61 years old now.
Well y'all wanted a veteran presence!
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