Chiefs Top 5 QB's Drafted Stats since 1970

ChiefsCountry · 11:33 PM

1970
1. Terry Bradshaw

1971
1. Jim Plunkett
2. Archie Manning
3. Dan Pastroni

1973
2. Bert Jones

1975
1. Steve Bartkowski

1979
3. Jack Thompson

1982
4. Art Schlichter
5. Jim McMahon

1983
1. John Elway

1986
3. Jim Everett

1987
1. Vinny Testaverde

1989
1. Troy Aikman

1990
1. Jeff George

1993
1. Drew Bledsoe
2. Rick Mirer

1994
3. Heath Shuler

1995
3. Steve McNair
5. Kerry Collins

1998
1. Peyton Manning
2. Ryan Leaf

1999
1. Tim Couch
2. Donovan McNabb
3. Akill Smith

2001
1. Michael Vick

2002
1. David Carr
3. Joey Harrington

2003
1. Carson Palmer

2004
1. Eli Manning
4. Phillip Rivers

2005
1. Alex Smith

2006
3. Vince Young

2007
1. JaMarcus Russell

2008
3. Matt Ryan

Out of this group:
21 have made the Pro Bowl
12 have took teams to the Super Bowl
7 have won the Super Bowl
4 are Hall of Famers right now (Manning is for sure someothers have a good shot ie McNair, McNabb, Eli)
10 are pure busts
4 of the busts came in two drafts (1999, 2002)
1 Jeff George - no Pro Bowls but he wasnt a bust really, he played good with other teams, so he is in his own category

(Vince Young, JaMarcus Russell and Matt Ryan jury is still out - Young did have a Pro Bowl though)
Jim Plunkett never made a Pro Bowl but won two Super Bowls.

Just going off history you have close to a 70% you are going to get a Pro Bowl Quarterback with a top 5 pick. You have about the same percentage for a bust as Marty does for playoff wins.

L.A. Chieffan · 12-17-2008, 11:30 PM

McMahon wore cool shades too.

Zouk · 12-17-2008, 11:33 PM

Since 2000, only 4 of the 10 picks have worked out. If you go back to 1998, you get 6 out of 15. Those are bad percentages.

FringeNC · 12-18-2008, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Zouk

Since 2000, only 4 of the 10 picks have worked out. If you go back to 1998, you get 6 out of 15. Those are bad percentages.

Jamarcus Russell and Vince Young shouldn't count. Those were owner-driven picks.

ChiefsCountry · 12-17-2008, 11:41 PM

By team:
Colts - 5
Oilers/Titans - 4
Bengals - 3
Falcons - 3
Chargers - 2
Patriots - 2

**DeezNutz** · 12-17-2008, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

By team:
Colts - 5
Oilers/Titans - 4
Bengals - 3
Falcons - 3
Chargers - 2
Patriots - 2

Are 4 of these teams unhappy that they kept firing on trying to land an elite QB? Colts, Bengals, Falcons, Chargers? Granted, some of these players have a long way to go.

Patriots lucked into one. Titans are the lone team still feeling the sting, in some ways.

Imagine this fan base if we were the ones who selected Leaf. No way in hell would most KC fans have had the sack to draft Rivers (Manning, you know what I mean) only six years later. ****, some Chiefs fans probably still want Croyle to have another crack at it.

Extra Point · 12-18-2008, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

****, some Chiefs fans probably still want Croyle to have another crack at it.

Remember when we picked Blackledge? Croyle is too damaged to get back on the field, except as a backup. Chan and Thiggy aren't doing too bad with what we have for line help. Wait and see who's coming out for the draft, but I don't think the QBOTF is going to declare this year.

**DeezNutz** · 12-18-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Extra Point

Remember when we picked Blackledge? Croyle is too damaged to get back on the field, except as a backup. Chan and Thiggy aren't doing too bad with what we have for line help. Wait and see who's coming out for the draft, but I don't think the QBOTF is going to declare this year.

Maybe not. We can't make a player magically appear, but, odds are, there will be a front-line QB somewhere in this draft, and the

need to find him. Furthermore, the odds are that said QB will be an early-round selection.

If there's no one available when KC picks in round one, I'd be very happy to take the second best QB in the draft at the top of round 2. Maybe this is Davis? Maybe it's someone else.

It will be interesting to look back in a few years and wonder if the Chiefs really messed up by not taking Flacco in '08.

Extra Point · 12-18-2008, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If there's no one available when KC picks in round one, I'd be very happy to take the second best QB in the draft at the top of round 2. Maybe this is Davis? Maybe it's someone else.

It will be interesting to look back in a few years and wonder if the Chiefs really messed up by not taking Flacco in '08.

Eric Davis would be a good pick.

Flacco is flying because the defense effectively sets up the offense in the Ravens' case.

EyePod · 12-18-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Are 4 of these teams unhappy that they kept firing on trying to land an elite QB? Colts, Bengals, Falcons, Chargers? Granted, some of these players have a long way to go.

Patriots lucked into one. Titans are the lone team still feeling the sting, in some ways.

Imagine this fan base if we were the ones who selected Leaf. No way in hell would most KC fans have had the sack to draft Rivers (Manning, you know what I mean) only six years later. ****, some Chiefs fans probably still want Croyle to have another crack at it.

Palmer is good. He just has no defense whatsoever. An offense can only go so far, unless you are the Rams from that one Superbowl...

**Baby Lee** · 12-18-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

Palmer is good. He just has no defense whatsoever. An offense can only go so far, unless you are the Rams from that one Superbowl...

I assume you're talking about the one they lost, because the D from the one they won was clutch.

**Rain Man** · 12-18-2008, 12:37 AM

Removing the guys with three seasons or less for the moment, here's how I'd rank them. I'm giving this very little thought, so don't beat me up.

Looking at it this way, there's a 50/50 chance that you'll get a Bert Jones or better - a solid pro. there's a 25 percent chance you'll get an Archie Manning or better - a good to great QB. I'd take those odds.

Peyton Manning
John Elway (jerk)
Terry Bradshaw
Donovan McNabb
Troy Aikman
Drew Bledsoe
Steve McNair
Archie Manning
Steve Bartkowski
Eli Manning
Jim Plunkett
Vinny Testaverde
Jim McMahon
Carson Palmer
Jim Everett
Phillip Rivers
Bert Jones
Dan Pastorini
Jeff George
Michael Vick
Kerry Collins
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Alex Smith
Tim Couch
Heath Shuler
Rick Mirer
Akill Smith
Jack Thompson
Art Schlichter
Ryan Leaf

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-18-2008, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

Removing the guys with three seasons or less for the moment, here's how I'd rank them. I'm giving this very little thought, so don't beat me up.

Looking at it this way, there's a 50/50 chance that you'll get a Bert Jones or better - a solid pro. there's a 25 percent chance you'll get an Archie Manning or better - a good to great QB. I'd take those odds.

Peyton Manning
John Elway (jerk)
Terry Bradshaw
Donovan McNabb
Troy Aikman
Drew Bledsoe
Steve McNair
Archie Manning
Steve Bartkowski
Eli Manning
Jim Plunkett
Vinny Testaverde
Jim McMahon
Carson Palmer
Jim Everett
Phillip Rivers
Bert Jones
Dan Pastorini
Jeff George
Michael Vick
Kerry Collins
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Alex Smith
Tim Couch
Heath Shuler
Rick Mirer
Akill Smith
Jack Thompson
Art Schlichter
Ryan Leaf

We have a breakthrough in this man's therapy. Thanks to the aggressive stereotactic gamma knife radiation of ChiefsCountry's list, RainMan has taken those odds.

Allahu Akbar!!

**Rain Man** · 12-18-2008, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

We have a breakthrough in this man's therapy. Thanks to the aggressive stereotactic gamma knife radiation of ChiefsCountry's list, RainMan has taken those odds.

Allahu Akbar!!

You mean you finally agree with me?

ChiefsCountry · 12-18-2008, 08:15 AM

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ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1601248	Top 5 QB's Drafted Stats since 1970 1970 1. Terry Bradshaw 1971 1. Jim Plunkett 2. Archie Manning 3. Dan Pastroni 1973 2. Bert Jones 1975 1. Steve Bartkowski 1979 3. Jack Thompson 1982 4. Art Schlichter 5. Jim McMahon 1983 1. John Elway 1986 3. Jim Everett 1987 1. Vinny Testaverde 1989 1. Troy Aikman 1990 1. Jeff George 1993 1. Drew Bledsoe 2. Rick Mirer 1994 3. Heath Shuler 1995 3. Steve McNair 5. Kerry Collins 1998 1. Peyton Manning 2. Ryan Leaf 1999 1. Tim Couch 2. Donovan McNabb 3. Akill Smith 2001 1. Michael Vick 2002 1. David Carr 3. Joey Harrington 2003 1. Carson Palmer 2004 1. Eli Manning 4. Phillip Rivers 2005 1. Alex Smith 2006 3. Vince Young 2007 1. JaMarcus Russell 2008 3. Matt Ryan Out of this group: 21 have made the Pro Bowl 12 have took teams to the Super Bowl 7 have won the Super Bowl 4 are Hall of Famers right now (Manning is for sure someothers have a good shot ie McNair, McNabb, Eli) 10 are pure busts 4 of the busts came in two drafts (1999, 2002) 1 Jeff George - no Pro Bowls but he wasnt a bust really, he played good with other teams, so he is in his own category (Vince Young, JaMarcus Russell and Matt Ryan jury is still out - Young did have a Pro Bowl though) Jim Plunkett never made a Pro Bowl but won two Super Bowls. Just going off history you have close to a 70% you are going to get a Pro Bowl Quarterback with a top 5 pick. You have about the same percentage for a bust as Marty does for playoff wins. Last edited by ChiefsCountry; 12-17-2008 at 11:33 PM..
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