HOF & 3 Coaches

[Mile High Mania]

Ok, so during some down time the last week I was watching one of the many "Top 10" segments on NFLN. In one of them, they were talking about coaches... the reference was made about Levy being in the HOF and compared him to guys like Reeves and Marty. I would think that both of them are locks for the HOF, so I was looking at their numbers.

Is it just a matter of time for these two? What are your thoughts? I guess my question is why was Marv such a sure fire HOF'er and Dan Reeves with more wins and a nearly identical playoff record ... is waiting longer?

Also, while the playoff numbers kill Marty... shouldn't he be considered?

Marv Levy
Last season was 1997 - inducted in 2001

17 years as a HC / 143 wins and 112 losses
11-8 playoff record
0-4 SB record (1 team)
10 seasons at or above .500

Dan Reeves
Last season was 2003 -

23 years as a HC / 190 wins and 165 losses and 2 ties
11-9 playoff record
0-4 SB record (2 teams)
14 seasons at or above .500

Marty Schottenheimer
Last season was 2006 -

21 years as a HC / 200 wins and 126 losses and 1 tie
5-13 playoff record
0 SB
18 seasons at or above .500

[Buck]

They should both be in.

[milkman]

Was Chuck Knox on the list?

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by milkman

Was Chuck Knox on the list?

No - this wasn't a HOF focused list, it was either top coaches to have never won a SB or the top meltdowns of all time thing...

[milkman]

I think Dan Reeves might get in, but no way in hell should the coach with the worst playoff record in NFL history get in.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

No - this wasn't a HOF focused list, it was either top coaches to have never won a SB or the top meltdowns of all time thing...

Even with that premise, Knox should heve been on the list.

He is second only to Marty with the most wins to have never made the SB.

[Stinger]

Marv Levy
0-4 SB record (1 team)

Dan Reeves
0-4 SB record (2 teams)

Marty
0 SB

Only real difference is that Dan and Marv went to the Superbowl and in their case more than once.....

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by milkman

Even with that premise, Knox should heve been on the list.

He is second only to Marty with the most wins to have never made the SB.

Yeah, sorry ... I was reading that as Chuck Noll and wondering why you asked. My bad.

On that list of 10 best that have never won - yes, he was on there as well as modern day guys like Reid and Fisher.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Stinger

Only real difference .....

That and a .561 career win percentage for Levy to a .535 win percentage for Reeves.

That, and the fact that the Bills went to 4 consecutive SBs and lost, which shows a great resiliency that Levy has ot be given some credit for.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by milkman

That and a .561 career win percentage for Levy to a .535 win percentage for Reeves.

That, and the fact that the Bills went to 4 consecutive SBs and lost, which shows a great resiliency that Levy has ot be given some credit for.

Don't get me wrong - I understand why Marv is there... I just don't understand why Reeves isn't there yet, based on how quickly they put Marv in the HOF.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Don't get me wrong - I understand why Marv is there... I just don't understand why Reeves isn't there yet, based on how quickly they put Marv in the HOF.

Reeves retired from coaching in 2003. He wasn't even eligible until last year.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Reeves retired from coaching in 2003. He wasn't even eligible until last year.

Still... I question why Marv (retired '97) was inducted so quickly (Class '01), compared to Reeves.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Don't get me wrong - I understand why Marv is there... I just don't understand why Reeves isn't there yet, based on how quickly they put Marv in the HOF.

Dan Reeves went to three SBs in twelve years with a QB who most consider to be top 3 all time, and there is some perception that Reeves held him back to some extent.

Levy, on the other hand went to 4 SBs in 12 years with the Bills, and most think that he was innovative, and that he had a hand in developing Jim Kelly inot a HoF QB.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Still... I question why Marv (retired '97) was inducted so quickly (Class '01), compared to Reeves.

Actually, the way the HOF bylaws reads, 2009 was the first class Reeves was eligible.

Who do you think he deserved to get in over: Bruce Smith, Ralph Wilson Jr, Rod Woodson, Derrick Thomas, Randall McDaniel, Bob Hayes.

The only arguable person would be Wilson Jr but he was nominated by the senior committee, IIRC.

Levy's class in 2001 was weaker, IMO: Nick Buoniconti, Mike Munchak, Jackie Slater, Lynn Swann, Ron Yary, Jack Youngblood.

[Mile High Mania]

Originally Posted by milkman

Dan Reeves went to three SBs in twelve years with a QB who most consider to be top 3 all time, and there is some perception that Reeves held him back to some extent.

Levy, on the other hand went to 4 SBs in 12 years with the Bills, and most think that he was innovative, and that he had a hand in developing Jim Kelly inot a HoF QB.

True... Reeves took two teams (one with a journeyman QB) to the SB. There's just not that much difference between the two to me and would put Reeves a tick higher than Levy.