Football HOF & 3 Coaches

Stinger · 08-19-2009, 08:35 AM

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Marv Levy
0-4 SB record (1 team)

Dan Reeves
0-4 SB record (2 teams)

Marty
0 SB

Only real difference is that Dan and Marv went to the Superbowl and in their case more than once.....

milkman · 08-19-2009, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Stinger

Only real difference .....

That and a .561 career win percentage for Levy to a .535 win percentage for Reeves.

That, and the fact that the Bills went to 4 consecutive SBs and lost, which shows a great resiliency that Levy has ot be given some credit for.

Mile High Mania · 08-19-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

That and a .561 career win percentage for Levy to a .535 win percentage for Reeves.

That, and the fact that the Bills went to 4 consecutive SBs and lost, which shows a great resiliency that Levy has ot be given some credit for.

Don't get me wrong - I understand why Marv is there... I just don't understand why Reeves isn't there yet, based on how quickly they put Marv in the HOF.

**DaKCMan AP** · 08-19-2009, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Don't get me wrong - I understand why Marv is there... I just don't understand why Reeves isn't there yet, based on how quickly they put Marv in the HOF.

Reeves retired from coaching in 2003. He wasn't even eligible until last year.

Mile High Mania · 08-19-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Reeves retired from coaching in 2003. He wasn't even eligible until last year.

Still... I question why Marv (retired '97) was inducted so quickly (Class '01), compared to Reeves.

**DaKCMan AP** · 08-19-2009, 08:58 AM

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Still... I question why Marv (retired '97) was inducted so quickly (Class '01), compared to Reeves.

Actually, the way the HOF bylaws reads, 2009 was the first class Reeves was eligible.

Who do you think he deserved to get in over: Bruce Smith, Ralph Wilson Jr, Rod Woodson, Derrick Thomas, Randall McDaniel, Bob Hayes.

The only arguable person would be Wilson Jr but he was nominated by the senior committee, IIRC.

Levy's class in 2001 was weaker, IMO: Nick Buoniconti, Mike Munchak, Jackie Slater, Lynn Swann, Ron Yary, Jack Youngblood.

Mile High Mania · 08-19-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Actually, the way the HOF bylaws reads, 2009 was the first class Reeves was eligible.

Who do you think he deserved to get in over: Bruce Smith, Ralph Wilson Jr, Rod Woodson, Derrick Thomas, Randall McDaniel, Bob Hayes.

The only arguable person would be Wilson Jr but he was nominated by the senior committee, IIRC.

Levy's class in 2001 was weaker, IMO: Nick Buoniconti, Mike Munchak, Jackie Slater, Lynn Swann, Ron Yary, Jack Youngblood.

I didn't consider the weakness of the Levy class... but, looking ahead, the talent pool of potential HOF'ers gets pretty deep. Hopefully, he won't wait long.

milkman · 08-19-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Don't get me wrong - I understand why Marv is there... I just don't understand why Reeves isn't there yet, based on how quickly they put Marv in the HOF.

Dan Reeves went to three SBs in twelve years with a QB who most consider to be top 3 all time, and there is some perception that Reeves held him back to some extent.

Levy, on the other hand went to 4 SBs in 12 years with the Bills, and most think that he was innovative, and that he had a hand in developing Jim Kelly inot a HoF QB.

Mile High Mania · 08-19-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Dan Reeves went to three SBs in twelve years with a QB who most consider to be top 3 all time, and there is some perception that Reeves held him back to some extent.

Levy, on the other hand went to 4 SBs in 12 years with the Bills, and most think that he was innovative, and that he had a hand in developing Jim Kelly inot a HoF QB.

True... Reeves took two teams (one with a journeyman QB) to the SB. There's just not that much difference between the two to me and would put Reeves a tick higher than Levy.

milkman · 08-19-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

True... Reeves took two teams (one with a journeyman QB) to the SB. There's just not that much difference between the two to me and would put Reeves a tick higher than Levy.

Not me.

Levy showed a flexibility in his philosphy that you simply don't see that often in coaching.

He adjusted his plan to get the most out of the talent he had to work with.

Would anyone have thought that the guy who brought back the Wing T in KC would be the same guy that would have a high flying no huddle offense?

Reeves is a tick above Marty in my opinion, and a couple of steps below Marv.

That might be the most homerish post ever from you.

CoMoChief · 08-19-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

True... Reeves took two teams (one with a journeyman QB) to the SB. There's just not that much difference between the two to me and would put Reeves a tick higher than Levy.

Yeah but Levy had some of the best teams ever. Those Bills team were great.

blaise · 08-19-2009, 12:33 PM

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Yeah but Levy had some of the best teams ever. Those Bills team were great.

They had a string of excellent drafts. Kelly, they found Reed at Kutztown State, Thurman Thomas, Bruce Smith, Cornelius Bennett and more. They went through a period where a ton of their draft picks were working out perfectly.