Chiefs 2013 QB Class - Page 13

O.city · 12-11-2012, 10:06 AM

This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it.

I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about.

The top three in this years class are in no particular order:

Geno Smith
Tyler Wilson
Matt Barkley

Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right.

So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false.

No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning.

Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask?

Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class.

2007
Jamarcus Russel
Brady Quinn
Kevin Kolb

2008
Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
Brian Brohm

2009
Matt Stafford
Mark Sanchez
Josh Freeman

2010
Sam Bradford
Tim Tebow
Jimmy Clausen

2011
Cam Newton
Blaine Gabbert
Jake Locker

Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL.

I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom.

So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.

htismaqe · 12-11-2012, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

True enough. I see it as:

Smith
Wilson

Barkley.

But the last option is substantially better than anything else available to us (still waiting on someone to offer another plan), and is a legitimate first-round talent whom we could build around and win with.

Agree 100% with all of the above.

keg in kc · 12-11-2012, 05:43 PM

I think the only reason we're talking about Barkley at all is the possibility of falling to the 3rd pick, and Smith and Wilson being picks one and two.

Which I don't think is really a realistic possibility for a number of reasons...

But stranger things have happened.

Wilson's probably the biggest wild card for me. Being a Petrino QB worries me much like being a USC QB worries me. But attribute wise, I think he certainly has more to like than Barkley.

In the end, I really hope it's Smith.

Sorter · 12-11-2012, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

True enough. I see it as:

Smith
Wilson

Barkley.

But the last option is substantially better than anything else available to us (still waiting on someone to offer another plan), and is a legitimate first-round talent whom we could build around and win with.

Nassib>Barkley.

kcbubb · 12-11-2012, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

"So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB."

There are only 2 reasons why it's a great year - rookie salary cap and the fact that we're desperate.

We'd draft the top QB from sister Mary's middle school if she could throw 20 yards.

I agree, but that doesn't mean that we just need to take a QB with the first pick. We need a QB with a top pick, but it doesn't have to be our 1st. Let me give some examples.

#1. Look at what the Bengals did. They took the best player available in AJ Green and then took Andy Dalton at the top of the 2nd. They were smart about it and drafted a QB that fit their system. Obviously, Dalton was a better pick than Locker or Gabbert. The Chiefs need a QB that fits their system.

#2. The Browns are another example. They traded up to get Trent Richardson when they desperately needed a QB. Then they took Brandon Weeden with the 22nd pick. Time will reveal if this was a good move, but Weeden seems to be having a solid first year.

The point is that there are different ways to build a team. The Chiefs could draft another position with their first pick and try trade up into the 2nd to take a QB or sit tight like the Bengals and take a QB.

keg in kc · 12-11-2012, 05:48 PM

That's great if we're trying to be the Browns or Bengals.

**DeezNutz** · 12-11-2012, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I agree, but that doesn't mean that we just need to take a QB with the first pick. We need a QB with a top pick, but it doesn't have to be our 1st. Let me give some examples.

#1. Look at what the Bengals did. They took the best player available in AJ Green and then took Andy Dalton at the top of the 2nd. They were smart about it and drafted a QB that fit their system. Obviously, Dalton was a better pick than Locker or Gabbert. The Chiefs need a QB that fits their system.

#2. The Browns are another example. They traded up to get Trent Richardson when they desperately needed a QB. Then they took Brandon Weeden with the 22nd pick. Time will reveal if this was a good move, but Weeden seems to be having a solid first year.

The point is that there are different ways to build a team. The Chiefs could draft another position with their first pick and try trade up into the 2nd to take a QB or sit tight like the Bengals and take a QB.

Here's why this plan is flawed:

1. We can't sit tight and hope a talent drops into the second. That's hoping, not planning, and we need the latter.
2. I'm not trading back up into the first round, expending more resources for a lesser talent and prospect.
3. Positional value and need. We need an ILB, and Te'o is a great one. But he's not worth a top-3 pick given our roster. We can find a high-quality ILB who won't kill himself or others in the later rounds.

**the Talking Can** · 12-11-2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Whomever we pick, I'm considerably CONSIDERABLY less concerned if he is the next Luck than I am that he is the next Leaf, Carr, or Akili Smith.

oh noes, so risky....we might end up 2-14 if that happens

**the Talking Can** · 12-11-2012, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think the only reason we're talking about Barkley at all is the possibility of falling to the 3rd pick, and Smith and Wilson being picks one and two.

Which I don't think is really a realistic possibility for a number of reasons...

But stranger things have happened.

Wilson's probably the biggest wild card for me. Being a Petrino QB worries me much like being a USC QB worries me. But attribute wise, I think he certainly has more to like than Barkley.

In the end, I really hope it's Smith.

co-sign

O.city · 12-11-2012, 06:06 PM

Can someone in this thread explain to me whats not to like about Geno?

Not being a sarcastic ass, but I would like to know the knocks on the guy or atleast what people on CP conceive to be his knocks.

**RealSNR** · 12-11-2012, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Here's why this plan is flawed:

1. We can't sit tight and hope a talent drops into the second. That's hoping, not planning, and we need the latter.
2. I'm not trading back up into the first round, expending more resources for a lesser talent and prospect.
3. Positional value and need. We need an ILB, and Te'o is a great one. But he's not worth a top-3 pick given our roster. We can find a high-quality ILB who won't kill himself or others in the later rounds.

Not making the case to do this, but Star Lotulelei would be ideal if we're going to switch to a one-gap 3-4.

**DeezNutz** · 12-11-2012, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Can someone in this thread explain to me whats not to like about Geno?

Not being a sarcastic ass, but I would like to know the knocks on the guy or atleast what people on CP conceive to be his knocks.

He plays on a shitty team, and he's black. /BS "logic"

**DeezNutz** · 12-11-2012, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

Not making the case to do this, but Star Lotulelei would be ideal if we're going to switch to a one-gap 3-4.

Cool. And we're sacrificing a first next year to trade back up to get whom?

(understand you're not advocating this)

O.city · 12-11-2012, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

He plays on a shitty team, and he's black. /BS "logic"

I'm seriously asking for someone to break down his flaws.

I'm of the opinion that if his defense was even average and they win a few of those close games, we aren't really having this discussion right now.

kcbubb · 12-11-2012, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Can someone in this thread explain to me whats not to like about Geno?

Not being a sarcastic ass, but I would like to know the knocks on the guy or atleast what people on CP conceive to be his knocks.

I haven't watched him play much, but I have heard that he is a system guy with most of his passes coming from short passing plays and the yardage is mostly YAC yards. He did well early and has really slipped late. Which could because people have figured out the system, but I really don't know.... That's just what I've read.

O.city · 12-11-2012, 06:13 PM

I've watched him play alot, and I know what I think his flaws are, I was just wanting some outside perspective.

12-11-2012, 10:06 AM
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	2013 QB Class This was posted in another thread by Milkman, but it got overlooked so I'm making a thread out of it. I know, another QB thread. But this needs to be put out there for some of the "posters" here to see and think about. The top three in this years class are in no particular order: Geno Smith Tyler Wilson Matt Barkley Thats not counting Bray, Glennon, Nassib, etc. Who are all talented in their own right. So, many posters here want to say, "no not this year, this class is awful don't take one, there isn't a Luck or RGIII in the bunch", which isn't necessarily false. No there isn't a once in a decade guy. Which is probably what Luck was. Hell even more there have been 2 guys of his stature come out in the last 20 or so years. Luck and Manning. Yet there are franchise QB's all over the league. How is that so you may ask? Lets take a look at the last 5 QB classes top 3 guys to come out and get drafted, taking out 2012's class. 2007 Jamarcus Russel Brady Quinn Kevin Kolb 2008 Matt Ryan Joe Flacco Brian Brohm 2009 Matt Stafford Mark Sanchez Josh Freeman 2010 Sam Bradford Tim Tebow Jimmy Clausen 2011 Cam Newton Blaine Gabbert Jake Locker Look at those classes and no, you have to evaluate them at the time they were picked, not what they are now, we don't know what this years class will be in the NFL. I'd argue that this years class is more loaded than any of those classes at the top and from top to bottom. So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB.
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12-11-2012, 05:43 PM	#182
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I think the only reason we're talking about Barkley at all is the possibility of falling to the 3rd pick, and Smith and Wilson being picks one and two. Which I don't think is really a realistic possibility for a number of reasons... But stranger things have happened. Wilson's probably the biggest wild card for me. Being a Petrino QB worries me much like being a USC QB worries me. But attribute wise, I think he certainly has more to like than Barkley. In the end, I really hope it's Smith.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	Can someone in this thread explain to me whats not to like about Geno? Not being a sarcastic ass, but I would like to know the knocks on the guy or atleast what people on CP conceive to be his knocks.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-725936	I've watched him play alot, and I know what I think his flaws are, I was just wanting some outside perspective.
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