2013 QB Class

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

"So, you wanna argue that this isn't a year to take a QB? I'll argue that its a great year to take a QB."

There are only 2 reasons why it's a great year - rookie salary cap and the fact that we're desperate.

We'd draft the top QB from sister Mary's middle school if she could throw 20 yards.

I agree, but that doesn't mean that we just need to take a QB with the first pick. We need a QB with a top pick, but it doesn't have to be our 1st. Let me give some examples.

#1. Look at what the Bengals did. They took the best player available in AJ Green and then took Andy Dalton at the top of the 2nd. They were smart about it and drafted a QB that fit their system. Obviously, Dalton was a better pick than Locker or Gabbert. The Chiefs need a QB that fits their system.

#2. The Browns are another example. They traded up to get Trent Richardson when they desperately needed a QB. Then they took Brandon Weeden with the 22nd pick. Time will reveal if this was a good move, but Weeden seems to be having a solid first year.

The point is that there are different ways to build a team. The Chiefs could draft another position with their first pick and try trade up into the 2nd to take a QB or sit tight like the Bengals and take a QB.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

I agree, but that doesn't mean that we just need to take a QB with the first pick. We need a QB with a top pick, but it doesn't have to be our 1st. Let me give some examples.

#1. Look at what the Bengals did. They took the best player available in AJ Green and then took Andy Dalton at the top of the 2nd. They were smart about it and drafted a QB that fit their system. Obviously, Dalton was a better pick than Locker or Gabbert. The Chiefs need a QB that fits their system.

#2. The Browns are another example. They traded up to get Trent Richardson when they desperately needed a QB. Then they took Brandon Weeden with the 22nd pick. Time will reveal if this was a good move, but Weeden seems to be having a solid first year.

The point is that there are different ways to build a team. The Chiefs could draft another position with their first pick and try trade up into the 2nd to take a QB or sit tight like the Bengals and take a QB.

Here's why this plan is flawed:

1. We can't sit tight and hope a talent drops into the second. That's hoping, not planning, and we need the latter.
2. I'm not trading back up into the first round, expending more resources for a lesser talent and prospect.
3. Positional value and need. We need an ILB, and Te'o is a great one. But he's not worth a top-3 pick given our roster. We can find a high-quality ILB who won't kill himself or others in the later rounds.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Here's why this plan is flawed:

1. We can't sit tight and hope a talent drops into the second. That's hoping, not planning, and we need the latter.
2. I'm not trading back up into the first round, expending more resources for a lesser talent and prospect.
3. Positional value and need. We need an ILB, and Te'o is a great one. But he's not worth a top-3 pick given our roster. We can find a high-quality ILB who won't kill himself or others in the later rounds.

Not making the case to do this, but Star Lotulelei would be ideal if we're going to switch to a one-gap 3-4.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by SNR

Not making the case to do this, but Star Lotulelei would be ideal if we're going to switch to a one-gap 3-4.

Cool. And we're sacrificing a first next year to trade back up to get whom?

(understand you're not advocating this)

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Cool. And we're sacrificing a first next year to trade back up to get whom?

(understand you're not advocating this)

If Smith, Wilson, Barkley, and Murray are all gone, the rest of the group makes me soft. At that point all the QBs really ARE the same, and we may as well wait until the 2nd round so we can draft Magic Mike Glennon that everybody seems to love

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by SNR

Not making the case to do this, but Star Lotulelei would be ideal if we're going to switch to a one-gap 3-4.

Maybe at 1-13. Not at 1-3.

And definitely not at 1-1.

Recent history has more than shown that taking DTs high is basically throwing the pick away.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Here's why this plan is flawed:

1. We can't sit tight and hope a talent drops into the second. That's hoping, not planning, and we need the latter.
2. I'm not trading back up into the first round, expending more resources for a lesser talent and prospect.
3. Positional value and need. We need an ILB, and Te'o is a great one. But he's not worth a top-3 pick given our roster. We can find a high-quality ILB who won't kill himself or others in the later rounds.

How can you say what the Bengals and Browns did was not planning???? They obviously targeted both Weeden and Dalton. We maybe able to target Bray, Glennon, Murray or another QB in the 2nd or come back into the first. I don't know who our next coach will be either and the system that we employ will be a big factor into that as well.

I never said we would have to take Te'o. We could take many positions with that pick. Our biggest need is at CB, of course other than QB.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

How can you say what the Bengals and Browns did was not planning???? They obviously targeted both Weeden and Dalton. We maybe able to target Bray, Glennon, Murray or another QB in the 2nd or come back into the first. I don't know who our next coach will be either and the system that we employ will be a big factor into that as well.

I never said we would have to take Te'o. We could take many positions with that pick. Our biggest need is at CB, of course other than QB.

Would it be better to select one of the Big 3 with our first or give up even more to select Murray?

Furthermore, it's not a plan if we wait until round 2 because we have to hope that our target falls or make an aggressive play to get him. Again, sacrificing more valuable resources for a lesser prospect.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Would it be better to select one of the Big 3 with our first or give up even more to select Murray?

Furthermore, it's not a plan if we wait until round 2 because we have to hope that our target falls or make an aggressive play to get him. Again, sacrificing more valuable resources for a lesser prospect.

Say you plan on taking a guy like Bray in the 2nd. He is not a lesser prospect than Geno from a talent perspective. He is riskier prospect. He has maturity problems and some other off the field troubles. He has all the physical tools to be an elite NFL QB. His dropping has more to do with risk than with tools. And I believe he will be there in late round 1 or round 2.

And what are the big differences in Murray and Wilson. Murray has a better arm. Murray has shown stints of looking like a legit NFL QB but he is inconsistent. They are about the same size.

The point I am trying to make is that I don't believe that the difference between several of these guys is very much. Several of them are bunched together in terms of talent and risk.

If you look at the Ponder, Gabbert and Locker picks, everyone said that Ponder was the worst pick of the three.

Don't let the Chiefs 30 year drought of drafting a QB make you over compensate.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

They are about the same size.

Oh, good. You actually don't know what the **** you're talking about and are just making shit up. Excellent. I can just ignore everything you have to say now.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by SNR

Oh, good. You actually don't know what the **** you're talking about and are just making shit up. Excellent. I can just ignore everything you have to say now.

Murray is 6'1" 210
Wilson is 6'2" 220

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

Say you plan on taking a guy like Bray in the 2nd.

And here's the problem. You cannot "plan" on taking any QB in the second round; you "hope" to have the opportunity to select any player in the second.

A team can only plan for what it's positive it can accomplish, and the Chiefs cannot afford to hope to infuse talent at the QB position this off-season.

Therefore, my plan is to select one of the three most talented QBs in this draft, and I guarantee I can accomplish this.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And here's the problem. You cannot "plan" on taking any QB in the second round; you "hope" to have the opportunity to select any player in the second.

A team can only plan for what it's positive it can accomplish, and the Chiefs cannot afford to hope to infuse talent at the QB position this off-season.

Therefore, my plan is to select one of the three most talented QBs in this draft, and I guarantee I can accomplish this.

How many teams will take a QB in round 1 if the chiefs don't?

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

How can you say what the Bengals and Browns did was not planning???? They obviously targeted both Weeden and Dalton. We maybe able to target Bray, Glennon, Murray or another QB in the 2nd or come back into the first. I don't know who our next coach will be either and the system that we employ will be a big factor into that as well.

I never said we would have to take Te'o. We could take many positions with that pick. Our biggest need is at CB, of course other than QB.

You know, a REAL team that plans would have seen the Redskins trade coming from miles away and would have traded up to grab RGIII before anybody else.

Instead they traded up to grab a ****ing RB.

Yeah, **** using the Browns as sound judgment.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kcbubb

How can you say what the Bengals and Browns did was not planning???? They obviously targeted both Weeden and Dalton. We maybe able to target Bray, Glennon, Murray or another QB in the 2nd or come back into the first. I don't know who our next coach will be either and the system that we employ will be a big factor into that as well.

I never said we would have to take Te'o. We could take many positions with that pick. Our biggest need is at CB, of course other than QB.

There aren't any CBs worth a top 3 pick in this draft.