Chiefs I like Herm's method better... - Page 8

kcbubb · 05-27-2009, 09:24 AM

I would rather play with a bunch of young players and develop them than sign a bunch of old guys if we know that we are going to be bad. Most people seem to believe that the Chiefs are going to be lucky to win six games.

If that is the case, why not look for the next Brandon Carr, Mark Bradley or Mike Cox??? It's hard to find those guys if they don't get a chance to play.

Why are we wasting this valuable playing time on players like Zach Thomas, Mike Vrabel, Mike Goff, and Bobby Engram??? I am sure that they will contribute and play well for the Chiefs at times.

If we were a team that were close to making a playoff run, I would welcome the addition of the older players, but the Chiefs are still developing their roster especially with the change to the 3-4.

If we are going to be bad, I would really rather see Brian Johnston play rather than Vrabel. And I would rather see Quinten Lawrence play rather than Engram.

Or are you one that believes that these older players provide valuable leadership???

kcbubb · 05-29-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I've reached the inevitable conclusion that I am a real dumbass.

I know. I agree with you.

Everyone doesn't like old players as much as you do. Leadership doesn't have to be ancient. Why not at least bring in some younger free agents???

**DaKCMan AP** · 05-29-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I know. I agree with you.

Everyone doesn't like old players as much as you do. Leadership doesn't have to be ancient. Why not at least bring in some younger free agents???

They've acquired 5 guys over 30 and 7 guys under 30, numbnuts.

kcbubb · 05-29-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

They've acquired 5 guys over 30 and 7 guys under 30, numbnuts.

And which ones do you expect will play??? I'm talking about signing players who will play. All of the old guys that we have signed will start and take up a lot of valuable playing time that could be used to develop a player.

TheGuardian · 05-29-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

You obviously don't read to well. I said that a player can learn from a vet that plays the same position.

The examples that you've given with Grunhard and Meachem are with players that play the same position.

My point is that you guys act like Bobby Engram is going to be a leader for Tyson Jackson. Not going to happen.

No YOU said that. I never said that Bobby Engram is going to help Tyson Jackson. YOU implied that.

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And as far as the culture... You are buying more into the company line than I am. You obviously believe all the hype of bring the vet in to lead and change players attitude. I don't buy into all that crap. These guys are pros. They should have plenty of motivation. And Zach and Engram aren't even the best at their position on the team. And how is Vrabel leading by not showing up??? He doesn't want to be here. He would much rather play for a team that can compete to win now.

And why not sign a vet that's a little younger??? Why do they all have to be so freakin old. Why are many of you so in love with old players? There have been other veteran free agents available that are productive and are 30 and under.

The real reason is that these guys are cheap and fans still like them. They can still play some what productively and get by with them and hope they draft to replace them. And that plan may work out fine..... 3 or 4 years from now.... and maybe it won't...

I'd rather take a chance on a player like Matt Jones than waste time with Bobby Engram. I know he's a risk, but at least he's got some upside. What upside do we have with Engram?

And I would rather have kept Pat Thomas than sign Zach Thomas for the same reason. Pat is young and has upside. He obviously needs to improve, but he also obviously has more of a future than Zach.

That's because you've proven you are dumb.

**DaKCMan AP** · 05-29-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

And which ones do you expect will play??? I'm talking about signing players who will play. All of the old guys that we have signed will start and take up a lot of valuable playing time that could be used to develop a player.

I expect Matt Cassel, Tony Curtis, Terrance Copper and Travis Daniels to all receive PT.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-29-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

And why not sign a vet that's a little younger??? Why do they all have to be so freakin old. Why are many of you so in love with old players? There have been other veteran free agents available that are productive and are 30 and under.

Because they DO want to build their own team/identity through the draft, but right now it's about establishing a whole new method and mindset to EVERY aspect of what we eventually want to accomplish.
If these vets were getting Carl Peterson "sweetheart deals" to the tune of 4 and 5 year contracts, then we would have something to worry about.

These vets are here basically to set examples and to help transition to a winning mindset.

kcbubb · 05-29-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Because they DO want to build their own team/identity through the draft, but right now it's about establishing a whole new method and mindset to EVERY aspect of what we eventually want to accomplish.
If these vets were getting Carl Peterson "sweetheart deals" to the tune of 4 and 5 year contracts, then we would have something to worry about.

These vets are here basically to set examples and to help transition to a winning mindset.

I understand that. And I hope it works. But I would still rather sign some players that could have a future with the team.

**Buehler445** · 05-29-2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

Because they DO want to build their own team/identity through the draft, but right now it's about establishing a whole new method and mindset to EVERY aspect of what we eventually want to accomplish.
If these vets were getting Carl Peterson "sweetheart deals" to the tune of 4 and 5 year contracts, then we would have something to worry about.

These vets are here basically to set examples and to help transition to a winning mindset.

That's something you never addressed, bubb, the difference in contracts between the Carl that we know is fail and the Pioli we hope is not fail.

Realistically, though, everything in life is maximized through moderation. If young guys were the correct answer, NOBODY would ever get a second contract. It's just that simple.

I would venture a guess that every team that has won the Super Bowl has a FA vet playing a role. It's not the end of the world. These guys aren't being brought in as building blocks for a run, they are bodies. And rather than just have schmucks that will be cut at the earliest possible convenience, he's trying to get a little more out of them.

And again, **** HERM. The only youth movement he was ever on was in Tampa. Dungy was running the show, and I doubt that all veterans were cut loose. Herm is a ****ing toolbox. We should strive to NOT repeat any mistakes, including playing young POS's only because they are young.

**** HERM!
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BarrySPAMAID · 05-29-2009, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

That's something you never addressed, bubb, the difference in contracts between the Carl that we know is fail and the Pioli we hope is not fail.

Realistically, though, everything in life is maximized through moderation. If young guys were the correct answer, NOBODY would ever get a second contract. It's just that simple.

I would venture a guess that every team that has won the Super Bowl has a FA vet playing a role. It's not the end of the world. These guys aren't being brought in as building blocks for a run, they are bodies. And rather than just have schmucks that will be cut at the earliest possible convenience, he's trying to get a little more out of them.

And again, **** HERM. The only youth movement he was ever on was in Tampa. Dungy was running the show, and I doubt that all veterans were cut loose. Herm is a ****ing toolbox. We should strive to NOT repeat any mistakes, including playing young POS's only because they are young.

**** HERM!
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God, I wish we could stop talking about Herm, but good points.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-29-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BarrysKOOLAID

God, I wish we could stop talking about Herm, but good points.

Reerun_KC · 05-29-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

That's something you never addressed, bubb, the difference in contracts between the Carl that we know is fail and the Pioli we hope is not fail.

Realistically, though, everything in life is maximized through moderation. If young guys were the correct answer, NOBODY would ever get a second contract. It's just that simple.

I would venture a guess that every team that has won the Super Bowl has a FA vet playing a role. It's not the end of the world. These guys aren't being brought in as building blocks for a run, they are bodies. And rather than just have schmucks that will be cut at the earliest possible convenience, he's trying to get a little more out of them.

And again, **** HERM. The only youth movement he was ever on was in Tampa. Dungy was running the show, and I doubt that all veterans were cut loose. Herm is a ****ing toolbox. We should strive to NOT repeat any mistakes, including playing young POS's only because they are young.

**** HERM!
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As always Little Big B, You are Money!

Reerun_KC · 05-29-2009, 09:38 PM

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Dear God that is Awesome!

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-29-2009, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Dear God that is Awesome!

Thanks!

milkman · 05-30-2009, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I know. I agree with you.

Everyone doesn't like old players as much as you do. Leadership doesn't have to be ancient. Why not at least bring in some younger free agents???

Hey dumbass.

If you had been around for awhile you would know that I believe that you have to build the necleus of your team through the draft.

But you can not sumply play young players because they are young.

You have to find players that can. you know, actually play.

You say you would rather have a Pat Thomas than a Zach Thomas, because at least he has a future.

Well, you are a ****ing idiot.

A player that sucks ass, whether young or old doesn't have a future, and Pat Thomas sucks ass.

Rasputin · 05-30-2009, 02:10 PM

I vote to do it the Patriots way, its worked for them so it should work for us.

I like the younger players better & will root for them more, but Pioli knows best for this team and how to get us a Super Bowl Championship.

View Poll Results: Would you rather play the older guys or look for younger players to contribute?
We need the older guys. They provide valuable leadership.	85	82.52%
We shouldn't have signed the older guys, we should find and develop younger players and let them play.	18	17.48%
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05-27-2009, 09:24 AM
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $5026719	I like Herm's method better... I would rather play with a bunch of young players and develop them than sign a bunch of old guys if we know that we are going to be bad. Most people seem to believe that the Chiefs are going to be lucky to win six games. If that is the case, why not look for the next Brandon Carr, Mark Bradley or Mike Cox??? It's hard to find those guys if they don't get a chance to play. Why are we wasting this valuable playing time on players like Zach Thomas, Mike Vrabel, Mike Goff, and Bobby Engram??? I am sure that they will contribute and play well for the Chiefs at times. If we were a team that were close to making a playoff run, I would welcome the addition of the older players, but the Chiefs are still developing their roster especially with the change to the 3-4. If we are going to be bad, I would really rather see Brian Johnston play rather than Vrabel. And I would rather see Quinten Lawrence play rather than Engram. Or are you one that believes that these older players provide valuable leadership???
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Rasputin Tip of the hat LIV Champs Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ks Casino cash: $75421	I vote to do it the Patriots way, its worked for them so it should work for us. I like the younger players better & will root for them more, but Pioli knows best for this team and how to get us a Super Bowl Championship.
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