Possibility of trading L’Jarius Sneed

[RunKC]

As we know, crow successfully called the Tyreek trade last year before it happened with a good thread discussion.

This year I think our most likely trade piece could be L’Jarius Sneed. To preface this, I would like to keep him at a fair deal. However, bidness is bidness sometimes. Let’s examine the cases.

Case for trading:

1. He could ask for too much. He has never made the pro bowl or all pro team, so if he asks for $17+ million, I could see a trade happening.

2. This staff is the best in the NFL in finding and squeezing out the best from corners. Breeland, Ward, Fuller, Fenton, Sneed and the rookies from this year. All of them were excellent here and didn’t take long for the young guys to develop.
3. We have at least 9 draft picks. Maybe 10-11. We have more than enough ammo to draft one, or trade up for one if we so choose. We have drafted a corner every year under Spags but one, and that year was when we had 6 draft picks due to trading for Orlando Brown Jr.
4. The 3 corners did well this year. That’s a big feather in the cap having them all cheap for 3 more years. McDuffie can do a lot of what Sneed does (outside, inside, blitz). The cup would not be bare. And again…lot of draft capital.
5. The money freed up from Sneed could be used to keep someone else (Willie Gay?) or get a FA.

The case against:
1. He takes a team friendly contract.
2. We can’t get anything more than a 3rd rd pick for him in a trade.

What do you all think? If you’re Veach what’s your bottom line for money and trade compensation received?

[O.city]

Depends what you can get for him I supposed. Unless it's a top 60ish pick, I'd probably keep him and take my comp pick.

[Toad]

Ideally, they extend this off season before he makes all pro (and he just might).

[Dante84]

Its weird to say but I almost love him more for his open field tackling than his coverage ability.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Dante84

Its weird to say but I almost love him more for his open field tackling than his coverage ability.

He tackles like a linebacker. It looked like he was going to tear Brday's head off when he sacked him this past season (shocked it wasn't called a roughing penalty, tbh).

[Bowser]

[mkp785]

Our most likely trade piece.....

Did we sign Orlando Brown Jr to a record setting deal or did he and his agent say they wanna take a paycut to stay here and I missed it....?

OBJ was and still is our best trade piece for this season. He has a ton of trade value and him and the Chiefs already butted heads over his deal last year....and now he won a Super Bowl. His price isn't going down from a year ago.


As to the question, I'd re-sign Snead. We need a vet back there with all of our kids and he's likely the leader. Also it's a good thing to cover our home grown talents that have out performed their deals.

[ntexascardfan]

I don't mind having one high paid guy at every level of the defense.

Jones, Bolton, Sneed....then fill in around those guys with young talented we drafted + veterans looking to get their hands on a ring.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by ntexascardfan

I don't mind having one high paid guy at every level of the defense.

Jones, Bolton, Sneed....then fill in around those guys with young talented we drafted + veterans looking to get their hands on a ring.

It's a difficult thing to follow through with.

Let's say you do that on both sides of the ball and these are the approximate values of "high paid"...
QB at 45m
TE at 15m
LT at 25m.
DT at 30m
CB at 18m
LB at 18m.

That's 151m of 224m in cap space, leaving 73m to field a team with a remaining 47 spots which is 1.55m per guy. That's not much room for even low-end or mid-tier guys and you definitely don't want that. You want to have a pretty balanced roster that at least has 5-6 mid-tier talents on each side of the ball.

So of that group above, you're definitely keeping the QB but what are you choosing not to pay? In you're case you don't have an elite TE and you don't have a top-tier LT because you probably have to free up 50m to have a team of about 25 min/rookie tier, 10-12 low-tier (2-4m) and 10 mid-tier (5-10m), and a few elites. Each elite pushes a couple of mid-tier guys down into the min range.

[Toad]

Originally Posted by kccrow

It's a difficult thing to follow through with.

Let's say you do that on both sides of the ball and these are the approximate values of "high paid"...
QB at 45m
TE at 15m
LT at 25m.
DT at 30m
CB at 18m
LB at 18m.

That's 151m of 224m in cap space, leaving 73m to field a team with a remaining 47 spots which is 1.55m per guy. That's not much room for even low-end or mid-tier guys and you definitely don't want that. You want to have a pretty balanced roster that at least has 5-6 mid-tier talents on each side of the ball.

So of that group above, you're definitely keeping the QB but what are you choosing not to pay? In you're case you don't have an elite TE and you don't have a top-tier LT because you probably have to free up 50m to have a team of about 25 min/rookie tier, 10-12 low-tier (2-4m) and 10 mid-tier (5-10m), and a few elites. Each elite pushes a couple of mid-tier guys down into the min range.

Such a great point.
Welcome to Brett’s world needing to look 3-5 years ahead while estimating the future cap limits and balancing the cap dollars by position group.
Drafting well is obviously key, but not every draft year is like last year.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by kccrow

It's a difficult thing to follow through with.

Let's say you do that on both sides of the ball and these are the approximate values of "high paid"...
QB at 45m
TE at 15m
LT at 25m.
DT at 30m
CB at 18m
LB at 18m.

That's 151m of 224m in cap space, leaving 73m to field a team with a remaining 47 spots which is 1.55m per guy. That's not much room for even low-end or mid-tier guys and you definitely don't want that. You want to have a pretty balanced roster that at least has 5-6 mid-tier talents on each side of the ball.

So of that group above, you're definitely keeping the QB but what are you choosing not to pay? In you're case you don't have an elite TE and you don't have a top-tier LT because you probably have to free up 50m to have a team of about 25 min/rookie tier, 10-12 low-tier (2-4m) and 10 mid-tier (5-10m), and a few elites. Each elite pushes a couple of mid-tier guys down into the min range.

Great points.

I would counter with asking how much of that per year money would be evened/leveled out through GM cap wizardry, and how far we can afford to kick the can down the road that way if we were to choose to do so....

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Great points.

I would counter with asking how much of that per year money would be evened/leveled out through GM cap wizardry, and how far we can afford to kick the can down the road that way if we were to choose to do so....

We're already doing it, to some extent.

You have:
Mahomes - 49.2m
Clark - 28.7m
Jones - 28.3m
Thuney - 22.1m
Kelce - 14.8m
Reid - 12.7m
MVS - 11.0m

What are we going to have to do this year? Probably cut or significantly reduce Clark's hit and move money on Mahomes contract if we want to add OBj back into the mix and his first year will likely be at least 15.0m

When OBj's number goes up next year as well as Mahomes, you got Clark coming off entirely but you're still at 7 players at the threshold if Jones does get extended. That might mean you have to let Thuney go and most likely means MVS needs to come off the books.

These ideas that the Chiefs can just go and trade for a DHop and so on is what make me think it's difficult to manage. Yeah, you can make it work this year with some wizardry. Next year gets a bit more difficult because you don't want to keep kicking the Mahomes' can if you can avoid it.

[Coogs]

Originally Posted by kccrow

We're already doing it, to some extent.

You have:
Mahomes - 49.2m
Clark - 28.7m
Jones - 28.3m
Thuney - 22.1m
Kelce - 14.8m
Reid - 12.7m
MVS - 11.0m

What are we going to have to do this year? Probably cut or significantly reduce Clark's hit and move money on Mahomes contract if we want to add OBj back into the mix and his first year will likely be at least 15.0m

When OBj's number goes up next year as well as Mahomes, you got Clark coming off entirely but you're still at 7 players at the threshold if Jones does get extended. That might mean you have to let Thuney go and most likely means MVS needs to come off the books.

These ideas that the Chiefs can just go and trade for a DHop and so on is what make me think it's difficult to manage. Yeah, you can make it work this year with some wizardry. Next year gets a bit more difficult because you don't want to keep kicking the Mahomes' can if you can avoid it.

It's not going to take long to know the plan. Maybe not all, but at least a significant part of the plan. The end date for taggging OBJ is March 7th. By March 15th, teams are required to be under the salary cap. So an interesteing week to week and a half coming up.

[el borracho]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Mahomes - 49.2m
Clark - 28.7m
Jones - 28.3m
Thuney - 22.1m
Kelce - 14.8m
Reid - 12.7m
MVS - 11.0m

Man, seems like we could (should!) come up with less expensive replacements for Clark, Thuney and Brown. Everyone else on that list looks reasonable (to me).

Obviously, Brown is a free agent. How quickly can we get out from under Clark and Thuney's contracts?

[kccrow]

He's the new Mathieu for this defense and is just headed to his prime. I think he's an easy keep and probably will be 3 for 13 to 15 per. I'd have zero quarrels with that. Retaining a guy like Willie Gay is far less important than Sneed. He's not going to get you a haul of picks to retool the roster as Hill did.

The head-exploding trade option is Chris Jones and he would likely get you a couple of picks to retool with. I'm not championing that move like I did Hill, but I think its out there. It is difficult to maintain 30+M contracts when you are paying a QB top dollar, but Chris is the one player its pretty well worth it.

The most likely is Orlando Brown. I just don't think Veach places the same value on his ability as Brown does. He's going to draw a line in the sand again and I just don't think they'll meet at it.