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blackhawk · 03-03-2005, 09:49 AM

Dolphins | Surtain to Stay? - from www.KFFL.com
Thu, 3 Mar 2005 07:36:24 -0800

The Sun-Sentinel reports the Miami Dolphins may keep CB Patrick Surtain if a trade cannot be worked out. It is believed the Dolphins may be interested in extending Surtain's contract, but both sides – the team and his agent, Gary Uberstine – have different opinions about his value. Uberstine said the way the free-agent market unfolds will likely determine Surtain's fate and that the Dolphins were interested in trading Surtain for draft picks.

htismaqe · 03-03-2005, 09:50 AM

They might be extending his contract so that he can be traded.

KevB · 03-03-2005, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

They might be extending his contract so that he can be traded.

Or the Dolphins could just be saying they'll keep him to generate trade interest. Teams may be willing to wait them out to see if they'll just cut him for cap reasons.

**Mr. Kotter** · 03-03-2005, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by KevB

Or the Dolphins could just be saying they'll keep him to generate trade interest. Teams may be willing to wait them out to see if they'll just cut him for cap reasons.

If they CAN'T get what they want for him; they lose NOTHING, and gain spreading his signing bonus another year if they wait until June 1st to release him.

**Mr. Kotter** · 03-03-2005, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

They might be extending his contract so that he can be traded.

Amnorix · 03-03-2005, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

They might be extending his contract so that he can be traded.

No. Contract extensions invariably involve signing bonuses. When you get traded, your entire SB accelerates to hit the current year cap. It would be salary cap suicide to extend someone then trade him.

htismaqe · 03-03-2005, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

No. Contract extensions invariably involve signing bonuses. When you get traded, your entire SB accelerates to hit the current year cap. It would be salary cap suicide to extend someone then trade him.

Contract extensions can involve tiered bonuses or roster bonuses in order to facilitate trading...

Amnorix · 03-03-2005, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Contract extensions can involve tiered bonuses or roster bonuses in order to facilitate trading...

Possibly, sure, but I've never seen this happen (where the guy signs and extension then gets traded away the same offseason). Usually it's trade the guy and let the new team sign him to the contract they're already pre-agreed on.

As always, if you know of any examples, I'm all ears.

**DaKCMan AP** · 03-03-2005, 09:52 AM

Surtain might end up staying

By Alex Marvez
and Harvey Fialkov Staff writers
Posted March 3 2005

Dolphins fans might not have to discard their No. 23 jerseys after all.

Agent Gary Uberstine acknowledged Wednesday that Patrick Surtain may be returning if a trade cannot be worked out.The Dolphins had allowed Surtain to seek a trade last month after the two sides weren't close to ironing out a contract extension that would provide salary-cap relief while also giving the three-time Pro Bowl cornerback the pay increase he is seeking.

"I think that if they don't find something they feel is good value for the team that they're content to let Pat play his last year out," Uberstine said on WAXY (790-AM).

Uberstine said the way the free-agent market unfolds will largely determine Surtain's fate.

For example, Kansas City had expressed interest but is now courting free agent cornerbacks like Samari Rolle to avoid having to provide draft-pick compensation to the Dolphins.

The Kansas City Star also reported the Chiefs were unhappy with Surtain's financial requests.

The fate of other free-agent cornerbacks like Fred Smoot (Washington), Ken Lucas (Seattle) and Ty Law (ex-New England) will influence the market for Surtain as well.

Surtain, who has a year left on his contract, is to earn $6.17 million in salary with a salary-cap number of $8.38 million.

The Dolphins are believed interested in extending Surtain's contract but have a different opinion of his value at this stage in his eight-year career.

Uberstine said Kansas City is a potential suitor but Indianapolis isn't, which should end speculation about a trade of Surtain for Colts tailback Edgerrin James.

Uberstine said the Dolphins were interested in trading Surtain for draft picks.

"He's one of the few players on the team where [a trade] makes sense," Uberstine said.

"They could get good value opposed to renting him for a year."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/f...dolphins-front

King_Chief_Fan · 03-03-2005, 09:55 AM

He is prtetty good but, he is not worth what he thinks he is or what Miami thinks he is.

I certainly would not want to give up a 2nd round choice for him.

Rolle and Smoot are the best available. We can concentrate our efforts there. If Surtain falls through the cracks.......oh well.

**DaKCMan AP** · 03-03-2005, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

He is prtetty good but, he is not worth what he thinks he is or what Miami thinks he is.

I certainly would not want to give up a 2nd round choice for him.

Rolle and Smoot are the best available. We can concentrate our efforts there. If Surtain falls through the cracks.......oh well.

On the open market I would choose Surtain over Rolle or Smoot. However, I would take Rolle over Surtain if he cost a 2nd rounder.

eazyb81 · 03-03-2005, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

On the open market I would choose Surtain over Rolle or Smoot. However, I would take Rolle over Surtain if he cost a 2nd rounder.

My thinking exactly. However, I might give up a later round pick this year and a conditional 2nd round pick next year, but it seems like Miami wants picks for this year's draft.

htismaqe · 03-03-2005, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

He is prtetty good but, he is not worth what he thinks he is or what Miami thinks he is.

I certainly would not want to give up a 2nd round choice for him.

Rolle and Smoot are the best available. We can concentrate our efforts there. If Surtain falls through the cracks.......oh well.

Surtain is head and shoulders better than Smoot or Rolle. He's one of the top 2 or 3 CB's in the game...

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