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Old 10-20-2008, 09:39 PM   Topic Starter
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To those who wanted to rebuild
What changed? This question isn't intended for those who wanted Herm gone for years. It is for those that embraced the rebuild when you first heard about it this offseason. I'd say half the board was excited about the prospect of a real rebuild. People were thrilled that the team was going to go young and most people said they would be able to deal with a bad year as long as the young players got a lot of playing time and showed some improvement by the end of the year.

I know the Chiefs have been getting their asses kicked, but if you were for a complete Herm rebuild, why have you jumped ship? Why is your patience exhausted after 6 games?
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:42 PM   #2
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This isn't a "rebuild" it's a cluster ****. Seriously, under Herm, there is zero direction.
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:42 PM   #3
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I am still infavor of the rebuild, its not about W/L's. Its about development of players and gameplans that put young players into positions to succeed or at least try to succeed...

We are not progressing, we are getting younger, but not progression on gamedays. Our coaching staff is failing the players, blaming the players and spending to much time reviewing tape, while finding nothing to correct from that said tape...
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:43 PM   #4
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To rebuild you have to be building toward something, right now they aren't building to anything.

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Old 10-20-2008, 09:43 PM   #5
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My patience isn't exhausted for the rebuild.

My patience is exhausted for the totally inept coaches.

To be fair though, I never liked any of these morons to begin with, with the exception of Gailey.
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Old 10-20-2008, 10:12 PM   #6
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My patience isn't exhausted for the rebuild.

My patience is exhausted for the totally inept coaches.

To be fair though, I never liked any of these morons to begin with, with the exception of Gailey.
To be fair, in order to completely rebuild, you need to start from scratch with a new GM and new HC. You cannot rebuild with a GM and HC, who could easily get fired after the end of this season, and if not, at least by 2009.

I wanted Clark to execute those two jokers at the end of last season, but he failed to do so.
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:44 PM   #7
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We've been worse than we should've been.

But that said, most football fans don't have the patience for a total gutting and rebuilding of the roster like we did... especially when you haven't won anything in forever, and have at least been "competitive" for about 20 years. I'm sure some of the people who always said for years that we need to have two or three top 5 picks didn't realize how bad the football would have to be to reach that point.
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:46 PM   #8
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We've been worse than we should've been.

But that said, most football fans don't have the patience for a total gutting and rebuilding of the roster like we did... especially you have a coaching staff that has never rebuilt a team, let alone build a competative team... I'm sure some of the people who always said for years that we need to have two or three top 5 picks didn't realize how bad the football would have to be to reach that point.
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:55 PM   #9
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Well, I don't want to defend them... it's not working right now, but realistically it's not been the same.

Herm took over a team and did help develop some young players.. Abraham, Ellis, Pennington, lots of other guys... and not that he did a Belichick like job, but they had a lot of inexperience and they had 3 playoff births. You could do better, but that's not utter failure either. And obviously Carl turned this franchise in a different direction many ages ago. I think they've both shown the ability to build something playoff worthy, but neither has shown they can finish the job.
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:59 PM   #10
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Well, I don't want to defend them... it's not working right now, but realistically it's not been the same.

Herm took over a team and did help develop some young players.. Abraham, Ellis, Pennington, lots of other guys... and not that he did a Belichick like job, but they had a lot of inexperience and they had 3 playoff births. You could do better, but that's not utter failure either. And obviously Carl turned this franchise in a different direction many ages ago. I think they've both shown the ability to build something playoff worthy, but neither has shown they can finish the job.
Agree, but the fact that once he rides the coattails of the previous regime, he has yet proven he can build a team worthy of the NFL with his own players....

Christ his last 4 years would get most coaches banned from the NFL period.. 4-12, 9-7 (God's biggest miracle in the history of time, PLAYOFFS), 4-12 and who knows what this year is.. 3-13?

How can anyone survive that kind of stretch while showing zero adjustments or taking zero responsibility?
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:16 AM   #11
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Agree, but the fact that once he rides the coattails of the previous regime, he has yet proven he can build a team worthy of the NFL with his own players....

Christ his last 4 years would get most coaches banned from the NFL period.. 4-12, 9-7 (God's biggest miracle in the history of time, PLAYOFFS), 4-12 and who knows what this year is.. 3-13?

How can anyone survive that kind of stretch while showing zero adjustments or taking zero responsibility?
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We've been worse than we should've been.

But that said, most football fans don't have the patience for a total gutting and rebuilding of the roster like we did... especially when you haven't won anything in forever, and have at least been "competitive" for about 20 years. I'm sure some of the people who always said for years that we need to have two or three top 5 picks didn't realize how bad the football would have to be to reach that point.
How impervious to reality do those people have to be? It's not like we haven't had numerous examples of the kinds of bad football teams who go through that experience over the years. The Rams of the 90's. The Raiders of the past several years. Detroit under Matt Millen. Cleveland. Cincinnati. Arizona. The list goes on.
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Old 10-21-2008, 08:41 AM   #13
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We've been worse than we should've been.

But that said, most football fans don't have the patience for a total gutting and rebuilding of the roster like we did... especially when you haven't won anything in forever, and have at least been "competitive" for about 20 years. I'm sure some of the people who always said for years that we need to have two or three top 5 picks didn't realize how bad the football would have to be to reach that point.
I realized it, that is one reason why I was against this from the beginning. After following this team for almost 4 decades, I had put it in a comfort zone. At least I got to enjoy more Sundays than not.

I would have probably been more in favor of it, if the team had true leader at the helm. Herm showed lack of leadership from almost day one, when he started putting things down, that some of us fans held dear. He showed from the outset, everything is about Herm's ego.

If the HC was someone that young players will follow, not despise, I would be more sold on the rebuild. The entire coaching staff, except for Gailey, is so inept, they are comedic.

Too late now, Herm has gutted the team and it's respect. He has trashed the proud history, and even eliminated the Arrowhead mistique.

On the bright side, we have had a lot of nice Sundays so far this fall, so outdoor activities are still an option.

The solution is to get a true leader at the helm, and I think a lot of these young guys could make an excellent football team.
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Old 10-21-2008, 08:44 AM   #14
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I realized it, that is one reason why I was against this from the beginning. After following this team for almost 4 decades, I had put it in a comfort zone. At least I got to enjoy more Sundays than not.

I would have probably been more in favor of it, if the team had true leader at the helm. Herm showed lack of leadership from almost day one, when he started putting things down, that some of us fans held dear. He showed from the outset, everything is about Herm's ego.

If the HC was someone that young players will follow, not despise, I would be more sold on the rebuild. The entire coaching staff, except for Gailey, is so inept, they are comedic.

Too late now, Herm has gutted the team and it's respect. He has trashed the proud history, and even eliminated the Arrowhead mystique.

On the bright side, we have had a lot of nice Sundays so far this fall, so outdoor activities are still an option.

The solution is to get a true leader at the helm, and I think a lot of these young guys could make an excellent football team.
All so true. We need a coach that can lead...lead the team and be a leader for the city's fans. The mystiqe and attitude needs to return. You can't come to our house without having your teeth kicked in. We should be making teams cry as they leave KC. I'm so tired of having a coach that doesn't care about these things...
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All so true. We need a coach that can lead...lead the team and be a leader for the city's fans. The mystiqe and attitude needs to return. You can't come to our house without having your teeth kicked in. We should be making teams cry as they leave KC. I'm so tired of having a coach that doesn't care about these things...
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