Carl the reason our d sucked last year

[big nasty kcnut]

By not signing ja he basicly killed our d. Ja was our main guy who distracted the other team offense. By not having him he slowed down the learning of the d for glen dorsey he could of been studying historical study of the american old west but instead he learning to tie his shoes and not eat paste. That why we need julius pepper to help glen take the next step. I know you all want gunther gone but him and krumie got shafted last year by carl.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

This defense hasn't been any good for the last 10 years.

[kstater]

Jeez, not again. Gunther just hasn't gotten his players right? That's the reason he's a failure. Just give him a little more time and he'll be good right?

[plbrdude]

Originally Posted by kstater

Jeez, not again. Gunther just hasn't gotten his players right? That's the reason he's a failure. Just give him a little more time and he'll be good right?

yeah...that's it. a little more time, yeah. i think he's proved he dealt with a once in a career group of players in the 90's. of which, he probably had less say in who was there than what he's letting on. as much as i like goonther, it's time for him and the chiefs to part ways

[chiefzilla1501]

Carl Peterson deserves most of the blame for personnel problems. The reasons I can't excuse Gunther Cunningham is that he was given a blank check four years ago to load up on free agents, and he failed miserably. He brought in failures like Sammy Knight, Kendrell Bell, Carlos Hall, and Patrick Surtain--arguably, this spending spree was a large reason why the Chiefs struggled to rebuild.

Apart from that, you again have to understand what his direct accountabilities were. His job was to build the X's and O's, and to coach players on fundamentals. Carl Peterson may have brought in the wrong players, so I can understand if our players were too slow to make tackles. But it doesn't excuse players constantly missing tackles and it doesn't excuse Gunther calling lousy plays in the wrong situations.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Carl Peterson deserves most of the blame for personnel problems. The reasons I can't excuse Gunther Cunningham is that he was given a blank check four years ago to load up on free agents, and he failed miserably. He brought in failures like Sammy Knight, Kendrell Bell, Carlos Hall, and Patrick Surtain--arguably, this spending spree was a large reason why the Chiefs struggled to rebuild.

Apart from that, you again have to understand what his direct accountabilities were. His job was to build the X's and O's, and to coach players on fundamentals. Carl Peterson may have brought in the wrong players, so I can understand if our players were too slow to make tackles. But it doesn't excuse players constantly missing tackles and it doesn't excuse Gunther calling lousy plays in the wrong situations.

In football, just as in business or in any aspect of life, sustained success relies on building a sound foundation from the outset. Building a team on solid ground (in cement, not sand) allows for future success. Pursuing shortcuts to quick successess may be tempting, but most of us recongize that those methods produce short-lived successes the can jeopardize the future of a team (Sounds fimilar? If you are thinking that's Carl, you are correct.)

One should build a solid foundation through strict adherence to a well-thought-out set of principles that represent a value system that is strongly believed in.

[chiefsngop]

Nah... It wasn't just the JA trade, and this "saddled with the wrong players" excuse is tired.

Gunther went from average, to way below average, because we have a head coach that forced him to use the Tampa 2.

The Tampa 2 is not Gun's cup of tea, nor did it fit with our personnel. It's also outdated.

But Gun's average at best, even without a forced upon him sh*tbag scheme. So he has to go.

Gun only looked great when he was surrounded with very very high talent.

We need a D-coord. who can put a decent defense on the field with only 75 - 80% of the puzzle put together.

With Gun, we'd have to wait till nearly every single positon was upgraded with a very high caliber player, just to have an effective defense. And with the state of our D right now, that could be a very long wait. No Thanks.

[HIChief]

Originally Posted by chiefsngop

Nah... It wasn't just the JA trade, and this "saddled with the wrong players" excuse is tired.

Gunther went from average, to way below average, because we have a head coach that forced him to use the Tampa 2.

The Tampa 2 is not Gun's cup of tea, nor did it fit with our personnel. It's also outdated.

But Gun's average at best, even without a forced upon him sh*tbag scheme, so he has to go.

Gun only looked great when he was surrounded with very very high talent.

We need a D-coord. who can put a decent defense on the field with only 75 - 80% of the puzzle put together.

With Gun, we'd have to wait till nearly every single positon was upgraded with a very high caliber player, just to have an effective defense. And with the state of our D right now, that could be a very long wait. No Thanks.

You know, I'd almost buy that if anyone can name from memory all the starting D-linemen, all the linebackers, all the corners, and all the safeties on the 1998 Kansas City Chiefs team. I can't. Here's my go at it, and even this might be wrong:

D-line: Neil Smith, Dan Saleamua
Line Backers: Derrek Thomas, Donnie Edwards
Corners: James Hasty, Dale Carter
Safeties: ?

You see? Either there just weren't that many standouts, or my 46yr-old memory is faded.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by HIChief

You know, I'd almost buy that if anyone can name from memory all the starting D-linemen, all the linebackers, all the corners, and all the safeties on the 1998 Kansas City Chiefs team. I can't. Here's my go at it, and even this might be wrong:

D-line: Neil Smith, Dan Saleamua
Line Backers: Derrek Thomas, Donnie Edwards
Corners: James Hasty, Dale Carter
Safeties: ?

You see? Either there just weren't that many standouts, or my 46yr-old memory is faded.

You give me 2 dominant pass rushers and 2 lock down corners and you can play defense regardless of who the other guys are, all they have to be is role players.

And I'm really tired of the Gunther defenses it's Herms fault its Petersons fault, it's his fault for sucking balls. If you need elite players to run your defense properly your defensive scheming sucks.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by HIChief

You know, I'd almost buy that if anyone can name from memory all the starting D-linemen, all the linebackers, all the corners, and all the safeties on the 1998 Kansas City Chiefs team. I can't. Here's my go at it, and even this might be wrong:

D-line: Neil Smith, Dan Saleamua
Line Backers: Derrek Thomas, Donnie Edwards
Corners: James Hasty, Dale Carter
Safeties: ?

You see? Either there just weren't that many standouts, or my 46yr-old memory is faded.

WTF, he had pro bowl talent at every aspect of the defense, DL, LBs and secondary.

[Rigodan]

Originally Posted by chiefsngop

Nah... It wasn't just the JA trade

A hell of a lot of it was the JA trade. We were 5th in passing yards allowed in 07 and 28th in 08 without JA. The pass rush is the most important element of the Tampa 2 and we saw what happens when its not there. That being said, I agree that the defensive staff is a piece of shit and needs to go.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by chiefsngop

Nah... It wasn't just the JA trade, and this "saddled with the wrong players" excuse is tired.

Gunther went from average, to way below average, because we have a head coach that forced him to use the Tampa 2.

The Tampa 2 is not Gun's cup of tea, nor did it fit with our personnel. It's also outdated.

But Gun's average at best, even without a forced upon him sh*tbag scheme. So he has to go.

Gun only looked great when he was surrounded with very very high talent.

We need a D-coord. who can put a decent defense on the field with only 75 - 80% of the puzzle put together.

With Gun, we'd have to wait till nearly every single positon was upgraded with a very high caliber player, just to have an effective defense. And with the state of our D right now, that could be a very long wait. No Thanks.

I don't know why people insist up and down that this defense failed because of the Cover 2. That's part of it. The Chiefs don't run a pure Cover 2. They integrate a lot of blitz packages and blitz a lot more than people suggest. The problem is that our guys are so poorly disciplined in disguising the blitz and because Gun has an extremely low imagination for innovative blitz schemes.

Gun is not running a defense outside of his wheelhouse. The defense still runs a Gun-style defense quite a bit, and that has not worked either.

[blueballs]

It's a new day
and a new way
get over it

[blueballs]

that bitch was blowing guys
and greating you with a kiss
dwell on that and you die each day

[Mr. Flopnuts]

I like Gunther too, Nut. But I don't like him enough to keep my team from winning the Super Bowl. Good luck in Detroit, sincerely. But it's time to move on. You may love the next guy even more. OK, that sounded creepy.