Chiefs I think all the 3-4 talk is hooey.

Chris Meck · 03-06-2009, 12:04 PM

I really don't think we're going to a 3-4.

I think Vrabel's position here is a passing down rush end. At this point in his career, it's a smart way to use him.

We don't have a NT. We just don't. We didn't make a play for any of the guys in FA that fit that spot.

We don't really have 3-4 ends. If we were really going to do this, I think we'd have at least looked at Olshansky.

We would basically be wasting last year's #5 overall pick. Also a waste of Hali. So we waste 50% of our last 4 first round picks to switch to a defense we have basically NO personnel for.

We're short at least 1 starting OLB for a 3-4, and really would need another player that could take a lot of snaps as Vrabel is going to need a breather at this stage of his career. Didn't even look at Dansby.

I don't buy it. What's the upside? I don't see any.

I think people are grasping at straws.

Molitoth · 03-06-2009, 12:08 PM

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Also a waste of Hali

Hali was a waste of a draft pick anyway.

KCrockaholic · 03-06-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Hali was a waste of a draft pick anyway.

Why do you throw him under the bus after one bad year with a horrible defense around him? sounds awful ignorant to me

Molitoth · 03-06-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

Why do you throw him under the bus after one bad year with a horrible defense around him? sounds awful ignorant to me

3 average years. The guy was a First Round draft pick and projected to be great. He has produced an average of 6 sacks and 43 tackles per season.

Yes, the defense sucks... But Tamba hasn't lived up to his hype.

KCrockaholic · 03-06-2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

3 average years. The guy was a First Round draft pick and projected to be great. He has produced an average of 6 sacks and 43 tackles per season.

Yes, the defense sucks... But Tamba hasn't lived up to his hype.

I wouldnt discount him until hes on a team that actually has an above average defense. I will give him one more year to prove himself until i decide he was really a waste of a pick.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-06-2009, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

3 average years. The guy was a First Round draft pick and projected to be great. He has produced an average of 6 sacks and 43 tackles per season.

Yes, the defense sucks... But Tamba hasn't lived up to his hype.

Tamba is the most underated player on the defense. He was injured last year, but the Chiefs were so thin that he couldn't take any games off to get healthy.

Hammock Parties · 03-06-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Tamba is the most underated player on the defense. He was injured last year, but the Chiefs were so thin that he couldn't take any games off to get healthy.

Sorry, he ****ing sucks. And he's garbage in a 3-4.

Titty Meat · 03-06-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Tamba is the most underated player on the defense. He was injured last year, but the Chiefs were so thin that he couldn't take any games off to get healthy.

Yea he's been getting blocked vs the run ever since he came in the league

**DeezNutz** · 03-06-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Tamba is the most underated player on the defense. He was injured last year, but the Chiefs were so thin that he couldn't take any games off to get healthy.

Wow. Underrated?

Hardly. The guy ****ing sucks and was a terrible first-round selection. You want something more than a rotational player at this draft slot.

EyePod · 03-06-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

3 average years. The guy was a First Round draft pick and projected to be great. He has produced an average of 6 sacks and 43 tackles per season.

Yes, the defense sucks... But Tamba hasn't lived up to his hype.

He was also at LDE. That's generally the run stopping DE (at least more than the LDE). I'm not saying he's any good, but you can't just look at sacks....

patteeu · 03-07-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

3 average years. The guy was a First Round draft pick and projected to be great. He has produced an average of 6 sacks and 43 tackles per season.

Yes, the defense sucks... But Tamba hasn't lived up to his hype.

I don't know about the "projected to be great" part. My memory is that when he was drafted he was described as a high motor type player that overachieved but had limited upside potential.

chiefzilla1501 · 03-06-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrockaholic4life

Why do you throw him under the bus after one bad year with a horrible defense around him? sounds awful ignorant to me

I don't think Hali is a bad DE. But I think his role as a rotational DE--that's not a bad thing, but he's not a guy you build a defense around and he is certainly expendable. I say that not because of the numbers he put up last year, but about how completely incapable he was of getting around left tackles. It seems like his success came mostly from Jared Allen pushing quarterbacks in Hali's direction.

So yeah, I think hali could do fine as a rotational DE, but he's not a guy that should stop the chiefs from completely revamping the defense.

KCrockaholic · 03-06-2009, 12:47 PM

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I don't think Hali is a bad DE. But I think his role as a rotational DE--that's not a bad thing, but he's not a guy you build a defense around and he is certainly expendable. I say that not because of the numbers he put up last year, but about how completely incapable he was of getting around left tackles. It seems like his success came mostly from Jared Allen pushing quarterbacks in Hali's direction.

So yeah, I think hali could do fine as a rotational DE, but he's not a guy that should stop the chiefs from completely revamping the defense.

Id say your correct here. At this point of his career he probably is best as a rotaional DE, but this doesnt mean he is a waste of a pick. He can still bring some value to the team, and like ive said, I wont judge him to much until he has a better D around him. Im not saying Carr or Flowers did a bad job last year, but, maybe if they had played better man coverage on blitzes they would have stalled the QB a little longer and allowed our front to reach the QB more often....Now this goes both ways, as DL and CB play off eachother like a marriage. They both have to be doing the right thing to be successful. When the DL gives push, it allows the CBs to make plays on poorly thrown balls. When CBs hold down their man, it allows the DL to have more time to get to the QB...In the end, this defense was just horrible, and it was very hard to say much about any of our players because they just didnt have a chance.

DeepSouth · 03-06-2009, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Molitoth

Hali was a waste of a draft pick anyway.

I don't think anyone knows how good or how bad any of the current defensive players on the Chiefs roster is. I think the coaching staff was at least 50% responsible for their ineptness. Look at the defensive players that shipped out and played well for other teams. Particularly, linebackers (Mitchel & Fuijita). And, if Sims was so freaking bad, why did Tampa resign him.

I'm willing to give the new coaching staff a shot at getting the best out of the young players (Hali, Tyler, McBride, Dorsey, Johnson, Page, Pollard, Flowers, Carr, & Leggett)

KCrockaholic · 03-06-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepSouth

I don't think anyone knows how good or how bad any of the current defensive players on the Chiefs roster is. I think the coaching staff was at least 50% responsible for their ineptness. Look at the defensive players that shipped out and played well for other teams. Particularly, linebackers (Mitchel & Fuijita). And, if Sims was so freaking bad, why did Tampa resign him.

I'm willing to give the new coaching staff a shot at getting the best out of the young players (Hali, Tyler, McBride, Dorsey, Johnson, Page, Pollard, Flowers, Carr, & Leggett)

good point, i feel the same way.

03-06-2009, 12:04 PM	Topic Starter
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1435090	I think all the 3-4 talk is hooey. I really don't think we're going to a 3-4. I think Vrabel's position here is a passing down rush end. At this point in his career, it's a smart way to use him. We don't have a NT. We just don't. We didn't make a play for any of the guys in FA that fit that spot. We don't really have 3-4 ends. If we were really going to do this, I think we'd have at least looked at Olshansky. We would basically be wasting last year's #5 overall pick. Also a waste of Hali. So we waste 50% of our last 4 first round picks to switch to a defense we have basically NO personnel for. We're short at least 1 starting OLB for a 3-4, and really would need another player that could take a lot of snaps as Vrabel is going to need a breather at this stage of his career. Didn't even look at Dansby. I don't buy it. What's the upside? I don't see any. I think people are grasping at straws.
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