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Old 04-13-2009, 07:20 PM   Topic Starter
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So does anyone have a list of Pioli's Round 2 draft picks?
Just curious to see how he's done in the second round previously.
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Old 04-13-2009, 07:36 PM   #2
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go to allthingsbillbelichick.com and check out the "draft" tab or whatever it is on the left. You'll get every draft BB was ever involved in. Not sure how relevant any pre-Patriots draft would be.

In general, it's been hit and miss in the 2nd round. Deion Branch and Eugene Wilson were very good picks. Bethel Johnson and Chad Jackson not so much.
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Old 04-13-2009, 07:41 PM   #3
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go to allthingsbillbelichick.com and check out the "draft" tab or whatever it is on the left. You'll get every draft BB was ever involved in. Not sure how relevant any pre-Patriots draft would be.

In general, it's been hit and miss in the 2nd round. Deion Branch and Eugene Wilson were very good picks. Bethel Johnson and Chad Jackson not so much.
Thank you. Do you think we'll see any patterns carry over from his days with the Pats? Also, if you had to guess, how much input is he going to allow Haley?
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Old 04-13-2009, 07:44 PM   #4
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Thank you. Do you think we'll see any patterns carry over from his days with the Pats? Also, if you had to guess, how much input is he going to allow Haley?
They will work together and most likely agree on most picks with Pioli having final say. From what I've heard, In NE it was basically the same thing with BB having final say. Higher rounds will lean more with Pioli and later rounds will be more about giving in to Haley, but they will both pretty much agree on all evaluations just have different choices on who the pick should be.
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Old 04-13-2009, 07:47 PM   #5
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Thank you. Do you think we'll see any patterns carry over from his days with the Pats? Also, if you had to guess, how much input is he going to allow Haley?
Look for the traditional notion of "value" to change a bit. It'll likely be more team specific, and it will incorporate need as a factor.

Expect Haley to have a lot of input in future seasons. My guess is that his input may be less this year depending upon how much he got to look at the prospects given the late nature of his arrival.

The Patriots pattern seems to be to use the second round as much more of a gambling round than round 1. It won't surprise me to see the Chiefs (and Broncos) to take a similar approach.
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Cassel and Vrabel for the Chiefs is the only 2nd rounder he is responsible for. I don't get how he was responsible for anything in NE. He wasn't the GM and BB called the shots for the most part.
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Cassel and Vrabel for the Chiefs is the only 2nd rounder he is responsible for. I don't get how he was responsible for anything in NE. He wasn't the GM and BB called the shots for the most part.
According to a few books they call him the New England Patriot's GM
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According to a few books they call him the New England Patriot's GM
Final say? The buck stopped with him? ect.
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Final say? The buck stopped with him? ect.
Nope BB had that, but he wasn't labeled as the GM either IIRC. Pioli was Director of Player Personnel, but worked with BB as a GM would BB just had final say.
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Final say? The buck stopped with him? ect.
No. Belichick is in complete charge of all football operations.

Picture two colleagues who are on the same page 98% of the time working to build a team together. Technically, one reports to the other, but they're in agreement so much that it hardly matters. During the 5% of disagreement, if it's over GETTING a new player (draft/FA), then EITHER can veto the acquisition.

That's about what it was.
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According to a few books they call him the New England Patriot's GM
Not that I've ever read. Belichick is the GM of that team. Pioli was the talent finder.
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Eh. I think it would be oversimplifying things to call Pioli the "talent finder". BB is VERY involved in that too.
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According to a few books they call him the New England Patriot's GM
I don't think his title was ever formally "General Manager". It was like "Vice President of Player Personnel" or somesuch.

They've both talked about it ad nauseum. Shared veto power. Usually they agreed on a guy, but if EITHER one didnt' like a guy for whatever reason, they wouldn't get him. But absolute, final say over all football operations is Belichick's.
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