Football HOF & 3 Coaches

Mile High Mania · 08-19-2009, 08:26 AM

Ok, so during some down time the last week I was watching one of the many "Top 10" segments on NFLN. In one of them, they were talking about coaches... the reference was made about Levy being in the HOF and compared him to guys like Reeves and Marty. I would think that both of them are locks for the HOF, so I was looking at their numbers.

Is it just a matter of time for these two? What are your thoughts? I guess my question is why was Marv such a sure fire HOF'er and Dan Reeves with more wins and a nearly identical playoff record ... is waiting longer?

Also, while the playoff numbers kill Marty... shouldn't he be considered?

Marv Levy
Last season was 1997 - inducted in 2001

17 years as a HC / 143 wins and 112 losses
11-8 playoff record
0-4 SB record (1 team)
10 seasons at or above .500

Dan Reeves
Last season was 2003 -

23 years as a HC / 190 wins and 165 losses and 2 ties
11-9 playoff record
0-4 SB record (2 teams)
14 seasons at or above .500

Marty Schottenheimer
Last season was 2006 -

21 years as a HC / 200 wins and 126 losses and 1 tie
5-13 playoff record
0 SB
18 seasons at or above .500

**Buck** · 08-19-2009, 08:28 AM

They should both be in.

milkman · 08-19-2009, 08:30 AM

Was Chuck Knox on the list?

Mile High Mania · 08-19-2009, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Was Chuck Knox on the list?

No - this wasn't a HOF focused list, it was either top coaches to have never won a SB or the top meltdowns of all time thing...

milkman · 08-19-2009, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

No - this wasn't a HOF focused list, it was either top coaches to have never won a SB or the top meltdowns of all time thing...

Even with that premise, Knox should heve been on the list.

He is second only to Marty with the most wins to have never made the SB.

Mile High Mania · 08-19-2009, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Even with that premise, Knox should heve been on the list.

He is second only to Marty with the most wins to have never made the SB.

Yeah, sorry ... I was reading that as Chuck Noll and wondering why you asked. My bad.

On that list of 10 best that have never won - yes, he was on there as well as modern day guys like Reid and Fisher.

milkman · 08-19-2009, 08:33 AM

I think Dan Reeves might get in, but no way in hell should the coach with the worst playoff record in NFL history get in.

RippedmyFlesh · 08-19-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I think Dan Reeves might get in, but no way in hell should the coach with the worst playoff record in NFL history get in.

I think that we(chief's fans) felt the pain of those playoff loses while a non-chiefs fan might think marty was just snake bit in the playoffs( the fumble...the kicker never to be mentioned...)
Not that I think it's right just trying to see things from the other side of the fence.
They(non-chiefs fan) would likely remember the good regular seasons more so than we would.
To me marty was the football version of Gene Mauch with a better regular season record.

milkman · 08-19-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh

I think that we(chief's fans) felt the pain of those playoff loses while a non-chiefs fan might think marty was just snake bit in the playoffs( the fumble...the kicker never to be mentioned...)
Not that I think it's right just trying to see things from the other side of the fence.
They(non-chiefs fan) would likely remember the good regular seasons more so than we would.

Maybe.

However, if you are a HoF voter, when you look at his record and see his overall playoff record, and see that his teams failed to take advantage of homefield advantage 6 times(?), 7 times(?), I don't think you vote for him.

Again, using Chuck Knox, he had the same kind of regular season success, and a better overall playoff record and hasn't sniffed the hall.

I just can't see Marty getting in.

RippedmyFlesh · 08-19-2009, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Maybe.

However, if you are a HoF voter, when you look at his record and see his overall playoff record, and see that his teams failed to take advantage of homefield advantage 6 times(?), 7 times(?), I don't think you vote for him.

Again, using Chuck Knox, he had the same kind of regular season success, and a better overall playoff record and hasn't sniffed the hall.

I just can't see Marty getting in.

I guess you are correct the playoff record is too hard to overlook. If just1 just frickin 1 of those 13-3 teams got a ring he would be a sure thing HOF coach.
Cowher walks on water and won 1 ring. I think that would have been enough for marty.

Stinger · 08-19-2009, 08:35 AM

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Marv Levy
0-4 SB record (1 team)

Dan Reeves
0-4 SB record (2 teams)

Marty
0 SB

Only real difference is that Dan and Marv went to the Superbowl and in their case more than once.....

milkman · 08-19-2009, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Stinger

Only real difference .....

That and a .561 career win percentage for Levy to a .535 win percentage for Reeves.

That, and the fact that the Bills went to 4 consecutive SBs and lost, which shows a great resiliency that Levy has ot be given some credit for.

Mile High Mania · 08-19-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

That and a .561 career win percentage for Levy to a .535 win percentage for Reeves.

That, and the fact that the Bills went to 4 consecutive SBs and lost, which shows a great resiliency that Levy has ot be given some credit for.

Don't get me wrong - I understand why Marv is there... I just don't understand why Reeves isn't there yet, based on how quickly they put Marv in the HOF.

**DaKCMan AP** · 08-19-2009, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Don't get me wrong - I understand why Marv is there... I just don't understand why Reeves isn't there yet, based on how quickly they put Marv in the HOF.

Reeves retired from coaching in 2003. He wasn't even eligible until last year.

Mile High Mania · 08-19-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Reeves retired from coaching in 2003. He wasn't even eligible until last year.

Still... I question why Marv (retired '97) was inducted so quickly (Class '01), compared to Reeves.

08-19-2009, 08:26 AM	Topic Starter
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $887229	HOF & 3 Coaches Ok, so during some down time the last week I was watching one of the many "Top 10" segments on NFLN. In one of them, they were talking about coaches... the reference was made about Levy being in the HOF and compared him to guys like Reeves and Marty. I would think that both of them are locks for the HOF, so I was looking at their numbers. Is it just a matter of time for these two? What are your thoughts? I guess my question is why was Marv such a sure fire HOF'er and Dan Reeves with more wins and a nearly identical playoff record ... is waiting longer? Also, while the playoff numbers kill Marty... shouldn't he be considered? Marv Levy Last season was 1997 - inducted in 2001 17 years as a HC / 143 wins and 112 losses 11-8 playoff record 0-4 SB record (1 team) 10 seasons at or above .500 Dan Reeves Last season was 2003 - 23 years as a HC / 190 wins and 165 losses and 2 ties 11-9 playoff record 0-4 SB record (2 teams) 14 seasons at or above .500 Marty Schottenheimer Last season was 2006 - 21 years as a HC / 200 wins and 126 losses and 1 tie 5-13 playoff record 0 SB 18 seasons at or above .500
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