Sac's 2012 End of Season Mock

Saccopoo · 09:12 PM

1. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin: 6'3", 313 lbs.
- Yep, it's a ten pick reach at minimum, but Casey Wiegmann, while one of the best at his position during his career, is sniffing 40 and contemplated retirement before this past season. Rather than moving Hudson to center, keep him at guard (where he was a three time ACC first teamer & AP AA) and get a guy like Konz when you have the chance. He's big, physical and has the strength to handle even the biggest defensive tackles. I don't know if he's as good as Alex Mack at the same stage, but he reminds me a lot of him.

Other options would include OT's Riley Rieff or Jon Martin; ILB's Luke Kuechly or Dont'a Hightower (no Burfict as he hasn't shown the instincts to play at the next level or the capability to be anything other than a 15 yard personal foul waiting to happen).

2. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU: 6'6", 330 lbs.
- Reynolds is a four year starter, and three year conference first teamer at left tackle. This also might be a bit of a reach, but he won't last beyond the second round and is most likely a better pro prospect than any offensive tackle beyond the top three. He's very athletic for a guy his size and could effectively play either side of the line. Plays nasty and through the whistle. Barry Richardson might be the worst starting offensive tackle in the NFL and the position needs to be addressed immediately. If the Chiefs don't get a shot at one of the top three in the first round, it needs to be addressed here - and Pioli has also shown the propensity to draft offensive line in the second round.

3. Derrek Wolfe, DT; Cincinatti: 6'5", 310 lbs.
- Initially, I would have loved the Chiefs to have picked up Wolfe in the 5th round, but after a monster 2011 season where he had 19.5 tackles for a loss and 9.5 sacks from the defensive tackle position for the Bearcats, he's going to be a riser, especially at the 3-4 defensive end spot where his length and speed to go along with his size are damn near prototype for the position. Jackson flashed a couple times in 2011 for the Chiefs, but Dorsey just looks like a "guy" out there and has a tendency to get absolutely engulfed by NFL guards.

4. Vick Ballard, RB; Mississippi State: 5'11", 215 lbs.
- With teams loading the box in an effort to stop him (because the Bulldogs didn't have much else offensively), Ballard still managed over 1000 yards on a 5.6 yards per carry. He's physically solid with good muscle mass and has very good vision. Is effective inside as well as out and is a good receiver. He went for 180 yards and two TD's in the Music City Bowl to close out his college career. He's a really good runnning back that would effectively fill the Thomas Jones spot in the lineup.

5. Tank Carder, MLB; TCU; 6'2", 240 lbs.
- With the two best blocking tight ends (Lutzenkirchen and Williams) going back to school for the 2013 season, this gets changed to linebacking stud Carder, who is the two-time MWC Defensive Player of the Year. Very instinctive and fundamentally sound, he was asked to do a lot in the middle playing in TCU's oddball 4-2-5 defense. Is effective in both coverage and filling the gaps on runs. Likes to put the big hit on carriers, but also plays smart. Is long and would be capable of carrying more weight to play inside in a 34. MVP of the 2011 Rosebowl when TCU beat a very good Wisconsin team. The guy can play some football.

6. Sean Cattouse, SS; California: 6'2", 215 lbs.
- With the loss of Berry at the start of the season, it highlighted the lack of depth that the Chiefs have at the strong safety position. McGraw has superb instincts but runs like he's in molasses. Sabby was a stopgap because of the injury. Cattouse has been solid for the Bears all season and one of the few bright spots on their defense. He's big, fast, likes to put the big hit on guys and has the tools to be an effective player with coaching. This is what you want in a backup strong safety.

7. Nick Provo, TE; Syracuse: 6'4", 250 lbs.
- Originally this was Caleb McSurdy, ILB; Montana, but with the pick of Carder in the fifth, another productive tight end on the roster is needed. Provo was First Team All-Big East in 2011 and set the Syracuse school record for career receptions for a tight end despite really only getting onto the field his junior and senior seasons. A Mackey semi-finalist in 2011.

BryanBusby · 01-10-2012, 02:04 PM

This is going to be amusing

**Munson** · 01-10-2012, 02:05 PM

True fans everywhere are fapping to the thought of taking a C and OT in the first two rounds. But to be fair, these are two positions in need of a major upgrade.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-12-2012, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Munson

True fans everywhere are fapping to the thought of taking a C and OT in the first two rounds. But to be fair, these are two positions in need of a major upgrade.

They are, but a quality C and RT can be had in later rounds. Sac is a True Fans wet dream.

Saccopoo · 01-13-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

They are, but a quality C and RT can be had in later rounds. Sac is a True Fans wet dream.

You are an idiot.

You can say that about every single position on the field.

With the new rookie pay scale, the positional value thing as it relates to the draft is minimized.

Konz is far and away the best center. We need a center.

Did you go ape shit crazy when we took a 3-4 defensive end or a safety with a top five pick the past two years? Because both of those positions are right there with Center and Right Tackle in terms of perceived positional value.

Or are you one of those reeruns that is happy overdrafting for a substandard quarterback because, well, "we need to take a quarterback, any quarterback, in the first round because we haven't done it in a long, long time."?

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-18-2012, 02:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You are an idiot.

You can say that about every single position on the field.

With the new rookie pay scale, the positional value thing as it relates to the draft is minimized.

Konz is far and away the best center. We need a center.

Did you go ape shit crazy when we took a 3-4 defensive end or a safety with a top five pick the past two years? Because both of those positions are right there with Center and Right Tackle in terms of perceived positional value.

Or are you one of those reeruns that is happy overdrafting for a substandard quarterback because, well, "we need to take a quarterback, any quarterback, in the first round because we haven't done it in a long, long time."?

I love the Berry pick.

Turns out it was the right pick and you were wrong.

Taking C at 11 is dumb.

Trading down to the bottom of the first? Okay.

Saccopoo · 01-18-2012, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave

I love the Berry pick.

Turns out it was the right pick and you were wrong.

Taking C at 11 is dumb.

Trading down to the bottom of the first? Okay.

No dumber than taking a safety in the top five.

It's a position that can and usually is filled with guys that can be found later in the draft and a position that is associated with a shorter longevity because of heightened injury potential. (Case in point - Berry. If he comes back from the knee injury and is fine, great. But what if he doesn't? Was it the right pick then? And to this point, he's been primarily a run defender and a liability in the passing game. I like the kid a lot, but let's not go annoitting him the next Paul Krause after one mixed rookie season. And yeah, he went to the Pro Bowl, but so did Matt Cassel.) How often has Polamalu and Bob Sanders been injured over their careers?

**RealSNR** · 01-10-2012, 02:06 PM

I really like the Konz pick.

Who do you think should start at QB this year, Sac? Are we getting Flynn? Stanzi? Orton? The unspeakable one?

Direckshun · 01-10-2012, 02:07 PM

Enjoy your mocks, Sac.

Let me go read this one.

Direckshun · 01-10-2012, 02:09 PM

Pretty good mock, except for the first round.

A center is just really, really silly to take in the first round.

Saccopoo · 01-10-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Pretty good mock, except for the first round.

A center is just really, really silly to take in the first round.

I would tend to agree with you, but Wiegmann is likely to retire and Konz is one of the best centers I've seen in college in the past ten years or so (along with Maurkice Pouncey and Alex Mack). Guy is a stud and he'll be picked around the mid to low teens to mid to low 20's in the draft. Chiefs need a center as I'd really like to see Rod Hudson take the starting guard spot from Lilja this next season. An interior of Hudson, Konz, Asamoah would do a lot to change our inability to run effectively in the red zone. Add a solid tackle, let the best man win at LT and put the other guy at RT and that's a really nice, young offensive line.

LT: Albert/Reynolds
LG: Hudson
C: Konz
RG: Asamoah
RT: Reynolds/Albert

I'm still not sold on Albert as a LT, but having Hudson there on a consistent basis should do wonders. That's a line that has potential.

If you wanted to go elsewhere with the first pick, I do like Grant Garner a lot from Oklahoma State as well. He's a really solid center prospect. Maybe Dave Molk from Michigan (who seems to be a Wiegmann clone and would be a good guy if they stay in the zone blocking scheme). Other than that, there's not much to get excited about at that position.

**RealSNR** · 01-10-2012, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Pretty good mock, except for the first round.

A center is just really, really silly to take in the first round.

Realisticaly, Pouncey, Wisniewski, and Hudson last year weren't centers. At least not the kind of centers you should draft high and build your franchise around. If you take a guy that high, you better be damn sure you're getting a great player.

Konz is a real center. He's fast, agile, big, and strong. With him, it wouldn't matter who was carrying the ball. Jamaal Charles could be our 4th and short running back with Hudson, Konz, and Asamoah.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-12-2012, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Pretty good mock, except for the first round.

A center is just really, really silly to take in the first round.

Silly? Its ****ing stupid.

Bump · 01-10-2012, 02:13 PM

we drafted a center in the 2nd last year, we're not drafting one in the first. That's just ****ing stupid.

**BigMeatballDave** · 01-12-2012, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bump

we drafted a center in the 2nd last year, we're not drafting one in the first. That's just ****ing stupid.

True. But Hudson can play LG so C isn't a bad idea if you can get a good one. JUST NOT IN THE ****ING FIRST ROUND.

01-10-2012, 01:53 PM	Topic Starter
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	Sac's 2012 End of Season Mock 1. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin: 6'3", 313 lbs. - Yep, it's a ten pick reach at minimum, but Casey Wiegmann, while one of the best at his position during his career, is sniffing 40 and contemplated retirement before this past season. Rather than moving Hudson to center, keep him at guard (where he was a three time ACC first teamer & AP AA) and get a guy like Konz when you have the chance. He's big, physical and has the strength to handle even the biggest defensive tackles. I don't know if he's as good as Alex Mack at the same stage, but he reminds me a lot of him. Other options would include OT's Riley Rieff or Jon Martin; ILB's Luke Kuechly or Dont'a Hightower (no Burfict as he hasn't shown the instincts to play at the next level or the capability to be anything other than a 15 yard personal foul waiting to happen). 2. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU: 6'6", 330 lbs. - Reynolds is a four year starter, and three year conference first teamer at left tackle. This also might be a bit of a reach, but he won't last beyond the second round and is most likely a better pro prospect than any offensive tackle beyond the top three. He's very athletic for a guy his size and could effectively play either side of the line. Plays nasty and through the whistle. Barry Richardson might be the worst starting offensive tackle in the NFL and the position needs to be addressed immediately. If the Chiefs don't get a shot at one of the top three in the first round, it needs to be addressed here - and Pioli has also shown the propensity to draft offensive line in the second round. 3. Derrek Wolfe, DT; Cincinatti: 6'5", 310 lbs. - Initially, I would have loved the Chiefs to have picked up Wolfe in the 5th round, but after a monster 2011 season where he had 19.5 tackles for a loss and 9.5 sacks from the defensive tackle position for the Bearcats, he's going to be a riser, especially at the 3-4 defensive end spot where his length and speed to go along with his size are damn near prototype for the position. Jackson flashed a couple times in 2011 for the Chiefs, but Dorsey just looks like a "guy" out there and has a tendency to get absolutely engulfed by NFL guards. 4. Vick Ballard, RB; Mississippi State: 5'11", 215 lbs. - With teams loading the box in an effort to stop him (because the Bulldogs didn't have much else offensively), Ballard still managed over 1000 yards on a 5.6 yards per carry. He's physically solid with good muscle mass and has very good vision. Is effective inside as well as out and is a good receiver. He went for 180 yards and two TD's in the Music City Bowl to close out his college career. He's a really good runnning back that would effectively fill the Thomas Jones spot in the lineup. 5. Tank Carder, MLB; TCU; 6'2", 240 lbs. - With the two best blocking tight ends (Lutzenkirchen and Williams) going back to school for the 2013 season, this gets changed to linebacking stud Carder, who is the two-time MWC Defensive Player of the Year. Very instinctive and fundamentally sound, he was asked to do a lot in the middle playing in TCU's oddball 4-2-5 defense. Is effective in both coverage and filling the gaps on runs. Likes to put the big hit on carriers, but also plays smart. Is long and would be capable of carrying more weight to play inside in a 34. MVP of the 2011 Rosebowl when TCU beat a very good Wisconsin team. The guy can play some football. 6. Sean Cattouse, SS; California: 6'2", 215 lbs. - With the loss of Berry at the start of the season, it highlighted the lack of depth that the Chiefs have at the strong safety position. McGraw has superb instincts but runs like he's in molasses. Sabby was a stopgap because of the injury. Cattouse has been solid for the Bears all season and one of the few bright spots on their defense. He's big, fast, likes to put the big hit on guys and has the tools to be an effective player with coaching. This is what you want in a backup strong safety. 7. Nick Provo, TE; Syracuse: 6'4", 250 lbs. - Originally this was Caleb McSurdy, ILB; Montana, but with the pick of Carder in the fifth, another productive tight end on the roster is needed. Provo was First Team All-Big East in 2011 and set the Syracuse school record for career receptions for a tight end despite really only getting onto the field his junior and senior seasons. A Mackey semi-finalist in 2011. Last edited by Saccopoo; 01-17-2012 at 09:12 PM..
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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	Pretty good mock, except for the first round. A center is just really, really silly to take in the first round.
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Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $-1674895	we drafted a center in the 2nd last year, we're not drafting one in the first. That's just ****ing stupid.
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